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A13028	An assertion for true and Christian church-policie VVherein certaine politike obiections made against the planting of pastours and elders in every congregation, are sufficientlie aunswered. And wherein also sundrie projectes are set downe, how the discipline by pastors & elders may be planted, without any derogation to the Kings royal prerogatiue, any indignitie to the three estates in Parleament, or any greater alteration of the laudable lawes, statutes, or customes of the realme, then may well be made without damage to the people.	Stoughton, William, fl. 1584.; Knollys, Francis, Sir, d. 1643.	1604 (1604)	STC 23318; ESTC S117843	177,506	448

be continued but to continue evill And what a thing were that This argument then for lawes setled being the sophisme of that Fox Steven Gardener is but a quarelsome and wrangling argument Admonition If this goverment whereof they Pag. 7● speake be as they say necessarie in all places then must they haue of necessitie in everie particular parish one Pastor a companie of Seniors and a Deacon or two at the least al those to be found of the parish because they must leaue their occupations to attende vpon the matters of the Church But there are a number of Parishes in England not able to finde one tollerable Minister much lesse to find such a companie Assertion This argument seemeth to be drawne from kitchin profite and is but a bugbegger to scarr covetous men from submitting their neckes vnto the yoke of that holy Discipline which our Savior Christ hath prescribed and which the Admonitor himselfe confesseth to haue bene practised by the Apostles and primitive Church And yet because this argument seemeth to lay a very heavie burden on mens shoulders such as is impossible to be borne it is an argumēt That Seniours Deacons should be found at the charge of the Parish is absurd worthy to bee examined though in it selfe the same be very vntrue absurd For who did ever fancie that a Pastour a company of Seniours and a Deacon or two at the least should be men of occupations or that they should be all found of the parish because they must leaue their occupations to attend vpon the matters of the Church Why there be many hūdreths of parishes in England wherein there dwelleth not one man of an occupation And what reason then or likelihood of reason was there to father such an absurd necessitie vpon the Church As for the necessitie of having one Pastour in every particular parish and of his finding by the parish because it is his duety to attend vpon reading exhortation doctrine although he be no man of occupation this I say is agreable consonant to the goverment of the church practised by the Bishops And therefore in the finding having of one Pastour in every parish they and we differ not But that men of occupations onelie should bee chosen Seniours and Deacons in every parish or if Seniours and Deacons were men of occupations in any parish that they should bee all found of the parish wee vtterly disclayme as an absurditie of absurdities And yet wee deny not but in Cities and great Townes wherin for the most part men of trade do inhabite that Seniours Deacons must of necessitie be men of occupations Vnlesse then an occupation must of necessitie hinder men from being faithfull religious godly men there is no reason to inforce that mē of occupations in Cities and great townes should not be chosen Seniors and Deacons And as for Countrey parishes What kinde of mē ought to be chosen Seniours Deacons wherein either verie fewe or no men of occupations doe reside this obiection is altogether idle In which parishes also we affirme that men of greatest gravitie integritie wisedome faith and godlines ought to be chosen Seniours and Deacons And we doubt not but all such men as whom we intend ought to bee chosen Seniours and Deacons whether dwelling in Cities Townes or in the Coūtrey would be as readie as willing and as watchfull prudentlie to imploy them selues hereafter in matters of the Church as now either them selues or their equalles are busied in matters of their corporations or common weale without anie maner of contribution to be yeelded towards their finding When the people of Israell were commanded to pay their tythes first fruites and other oblations vnto the Priestes Levites for their attendance and service in the Sāctuarie we doe not reade in the whole booke of God that they were inioyned to be helpers and cōtributors to the reliefe and sustentation of the Captaynes over thousands of the Captaines over hundreds nor of the Elders Governours placed Citie by Citie for the affaires of the King And therefore sithence we haue neither precept nor president that all the officers of the church should bee founde at the costes of the Church and sithence also as well in Coūtrey parishes as in Cities townes to the prayse and glorie of God be it spoken we haue many able wealthie substantiall persons who haue giuen their names vnto Christ what necessitie is there that any such Seniours and Deacons should be elected as haue need to be relieved and supported by a common purse And had the Admonitor wel and advisedlie pōdered that our Church Church wardens side men are not found at the chardges of the parishes Wardens side men who carie a semblance of governing Seniours that our collectors also for the poore who iustle out the Deacons being all of them men of occupations poore husbandmen or day labourers and being not founde of the parish are notwithstandinge oftentimes in the yere troubled and turmoyled from one end of the Diocesse vnto the other and that which is more from attendance vpon their day labour husbandrie and occupations to weight and to attend not vpō matters of the church but vpon money matters perteyning to the officers of the Bb. Consistorie Had he I say wiselie and sincerelie considered these things he would certeinlie not once haue mencioned this so sillie and simple a suggestion But quite cleane to cutt of at one blow all the skirtes of the coat of this sillie bulbegger that the verie buttockes of it may bee bare and that the church may see there is no such burdensome charge to bee layde vpon her as is feyned the graue and godlie iudgement and policie of King Edward The iudgemēt of King Ed. the sixt cōmissioners touching Elders and Deacons the sixt his Commissioners authorized to compile a booke for the reformatiō of lawes ecclesiasticall according to an Act of Parleament in that behalfe provided shall rise vp for vs and pleade the trueth and equitie of this our sayinges The Commissioners names were these viz. The most reverend Father Thomas Crammer Archbishoppe of Canterburie Thomas Bishoppe of Ely Richard Cox the Kings Almoner Peter Martyr professor of Divinitie William May Rowland Taylor Doctors of the Lawe Sir Iohn Cheeke Iohn Lucas Richard Goddericke Maister Hadon and others All Titul de diuiois officijs cap. 10. fol. 45. which reverend learned and religious men as with one voyce accord speak one thing so thus and thus they speake Evening prayer being finished wherevnto all shal be attēdant after sermon in their owne Churches the chief minister whom they call Parochies and the Deacon if happely they shal be present or they being absent let the Ministers Vicars and Elders lo the Archb. of of Cāterburie afterwards a godlie Martyr and Bishoppes can skill of the name of Deacon and Elders with the people conferr about the money put apart to

able to maintaine his own grace by his own order should weaken his owne oath or by his owne sword should cut from the people of God his owne word But seeing it was his purpose to perswade the people vnto a dislike of the Apostolicall gouerment by arguments and reasons drawen from humane policie rather then to confirme them in a good opinion of the prelaticall gouerment by proofes taken from the authoritie of holy Scripture we will follow him in this his veine Yea and by the helpe of God we will trie of what efficacie such his politicke and humane reasons may be as wherewith he did assaye to disswade the people frō consenting vnto any other maner of Church gouermēt then is already setled among vs. The generall effect of all which both here and els where spoken of by him brieflie gathered is this Such things may not bee planted in the Church of England as by attempting the planting wherrof there is an euident sight that the Gospell among vs may be ouerthrowne But there is an euident sight that the Gospell amōg vs may be ouerthrown by attempting to plant that gouermēt in the church of Englād which was practised by the Apostles primitiue Church therefore that maner of gouerment may not bee planted The assumption of which sillogisme hee endevoureth to confirme thus whatsoeuer will draw with it many and great alterations of the state of gouerment and of the lawes the same may bring rather the ouerthrow of the Gospell then the end that is desired but the planting of the gouerment practised by the Apostles and primitiue church will draw with it many and great alterations of the state of gouerment and of the lawes Therefore the planting of this maner of gouerment may rather bring an ouerthrow of the Gospell c. If any shall obiect that by thus gathering his argumēt I had in this place falsified his argument by adding more then is here expresly vttered by him let such one vnderstand that this charge is but a meere and needlesse cauill For sithence both here and throughout his booke his intent was to dispute for the gouerment already receiued against the gouerment which is required to be planted in the Church And for so much also as none other gouerment is required to bee planted but that onely gouerment which was practised by the Apostles and primitiue Church it must necessarilie follow that the arrowes which hee shott against the gouerment required to be planted were shott onely against the gouerment which was practised by the Apostles and primitiue Church And therefore there can bee no iust charge of any falsification vsed in the gathering of his arguments Against which I argue as followeth Whatsoeuer will draw with it no alterations of the state of gouerment but few or small alterations of the lawes the same may rather bring the end that is desired viz a godlie peace and Christian vnitie both in Church and common weale then the ouerthrow of the Gospell among vs. But the planting of the gouermēt practised by the Apostles and primitiue Church will draw with it no alteration of the state of gouerment and but few or small alterations of the lawes Therefore the planting of the gouerment practised by the Apostles primitiue Church may rather bring the end that is desired viz a godlie peace and christian vnitie both in church and common weale then the overthrow of the Gospell among vs. The trueth of which argument will thē appeare when the Admonitors argument shal be conuinced of errour for the disproofe of the one is the proofe of the other and if his fall then can not this but follow And touching the invalidity of the first proposition of his second sillogisme we affirme that the alterations of the state of gouerment of the lawes bee they neuer so many and neuer so great can neuer bring any ouerthrowe of the Gospell if the same alterations be made for the planting of the Gospell For the lawes once altered can ouerthrow naught because they are then no more lawes And to say that the Gospell once planted by authority of new lawes cā be ouerthrowne by the same lawes is more absurd For the new lawes giue life to the enterteyning of the Gospell by meanes whereof the Gospell can not discontinue so long as those lawes continue And herevpō also it followeth that no alteration of laws for sweeping clensing of the Church for casting and whippyng buiers and sellers and choppers of churches out of the Church can ouerthrow the Gospell For if all drosse filth and corruption be cast out if all lets and impediments be done a way it can not be but that the Gospell must needs haue a freer larger passage as wherunto a wider doore can not be but opened for the bringing in of a more plentiful haruest And if the Church bee beautifull as Tyrsa and comely as Ierusalem if she Solo. Song 6. 3. 4. looke as the morning If she be faire as the Moone pure as the Sunne and terrible as an army then is she set as a seale on the Lords heart and as a signet vpon his arme and then shall the coles of his ●elouzie be as fiery coles and as a vehement flame that much water shal neuer quench it nor any floods euer drowne ●t But if he should rather meane that ●he alterations of the state of gouernement would be so many and so great as that therevpon he did strongly imagine ●uidentlie to see the ouerthrow of the Gospell then we say that no state of gouerment can euer vndergoe either manie or few either small or great alterations vnlesse by alteratiō of lawes made by the same state of gouermēt the same 〈◊〉 of gouerment bee altered Now 〈◊〉 if our politicke state of gouerment whereof he must needes speake for otherwise his speech were to no purpose to amend and reforme abuses in it selfe may iustly put it selfe vnder the yoke of a new law as it hath done and daylie doeth vnto many newe lawes and so in this respect after a sort in some part alter it self for euery reformatiō is a kind of alteration without any domage hazard or preiudice to it self if I say this may well be so what a silly skarr crow is there here brought into the field to fray our politick state of gouuerment from attempting a reformation in the Church Belike he knew some to faine that our state of gouermēt must necessarily fancy whatsoeuer they fancy And namely that a reformation of the Church can not but infer a desolation of the State or that the State can not be well ordered except it suffer the Church to bee disordered or that the Church could not be fayre well fauoured and in good plight but the state of our coūtry people and common weale must be foule ill fauoured and out of heart or lastly that the State can not launce bind draw heale vp the sores woūds contagions of the church but

it must with all fester infect and poyson it self All which how vnsavory and void of all sense it is I leaue to the iudgement both of the state and of the Church For who seeth not but that the state of politicke gouerment may wholy alter the state of church gouernement and not so much as alter one least iote of the politicke state of gouerment it selfe Besides since our state of politicke gouerment hath in our dayes and before our eyes repealed verie many old lawes disavowed sundry ancient customes to enterteyne and harbour the Gospell must our state of politicke gouerment no sooner now attempt to repayre certaine breaches made into the vineyarde but it must streight wayes roote vp that whiche it hath planted pull downe that which it hath builded He that diggeth about and dungeth he that spreadeth and pru●eth the root● and branches of a tree doeth he not rather quicken then kill the roote and doth he not rather cause the boughes to sprought then the body to wither Can seuen times trying and fining of golde breed a canker in gold or may a riuer be dreyned dry by one who shutteth not but openeth the springs The body of a corpulent and diseased man the more it is purged the more ful of health it is of better constitution And howe then can it be concluded that the Gospell the life soule of the Church can lāguish and giue vp the goast when the Church for the better preservatiō of her health shal receyue by some new and wholesome lawe some new and wholesome purgatiue receite Moreouer for so much as heere is mention made how the publishers of this booke did consider on the one part of things that were required to be redressed and on the other side of things required to be planted together with the state of our country people and commō weale it is playne that their resolutiō was rather still to cōtinue things amisse in the Church vnredressed then to plant the things required to be planted And alas what a resolution was that among pillers and Fathers for so they wil be counted of the church Especiallie when as the things required to be redressed were required to be redressed at the hands of the whole state of gouernment that is at the hāds of the Queene the Lords spirituall and temporall and commons in open Parliamēt assembled And could any damage I pray you haue ensued to the state of gouerment to the state of the Queene to the state of our countrey people common weale lawes or to the state of the Gospell if things amisse in the Church had bene redressed and thinges wanting in the Church had bene planted by so high and supreame a power I trow not Nay seeing our country people and commō weale not only once and twise thrise but many times haue humbly and earnestlie prayed sollicited in open Parleamēt a redresse of things amisse in the church is it not most evidēt that things were not considered a right but amisse by these fathers of the church and that the cōsiderers by keeping things vnplāted rather aymed at their owne profit honor and dignitie thē that our countrey people and common weale should fare the better by hauing things amisse to be redressed The cōsiderers then being them selues parties yea such parties as by whom things were caried amisse in the Church and whose defects only were required to be redressed no marveyle I say if they vsed all kinde of artificiall advisement and cōsideration to keepe things still vnplanted by the planting whereof their owne vnfatherlie miscariadges must haue bene reformed On the other side if things required to be planted might in deed be once plāted how soeuer happelie our former Church-officers might bee some-what mal-cōtented and discouraged to haue their superfluities pared and the edge of their swords abated yet is there no least cause at all for our countrey people common weale to feare any trouble or hurly burly among vs. For if the hande of God be in Iudah so that he giue the 2 Chron. 30. 12. people one heart to doe the commandment of the King and of the Rulers according to the word of the Lord and if the King the Nobles commons shall condescend agree in one and if their voyces shall be all but as the voyce of one man to allow and approoue that which doeth touch and concerne them all then shall neither the Nobles haue anie occasion to disdaine the commons nor the commons any reason to envie the Nobles Much lesse can the Nobles be at variance with the Nobles nor the commons be at defiance with the Commons For they be all of them so prudent and so prouident as that they will not bite one another least they should be deuoured one of the other And in deed why should any of our Cleargy-Maisters be so voyd of iudgement as to denie the Nobles and Commons after foure and fortie yeeres experience of a most prosperous peace weighting vpon the Gospell to be now growne so vncircumspect and simple vvitted as that a reformation of disorders to be made by their consents in others should bring forth a confusion in them selues What will they bicker one with the other will they beat and buffet one another when there is no cause of disagreement or variance betweene them For they shal be sure to loose neither libertie nor dignitie they shall endanger neither honor nor profite Our Nobles shal be tres-noble still they shal be Princes and Captaines ouer our people They shal be Deputies and Presidentes in our publicke Weale They shal be Peeres and Ancients of the Kingdome their Privileges Prerogatiues Preheminēces stiles ensignes and titles of prowesse and honor shall not be raced defaced or diminished But they shall as they may and ought remayne and continue whole and vnviolable both to them and their posterities throughout their generations Our Iudges Iustices and Lawiers shall haue and enioy their authorities credites and reputations as in auncient times They shal be Recorders of our Cities Townes and Boroughes They shal be Stewardes of the Kings Leates and law-dayes Our Knights Esquiers and Gentlemen shall still be Burgeses in Parleaments Conservators of the Kings peace they shal be assistants to examine represse theftes rapines murders roberies riots routs such like insolencies Yea they shall be our Spokes-men and our dayes men to arbitrate and compose strifes and debates betweene neighbour and neighbour Our common people they without disturbance shall quietlie and peaceablie retayne and enioy as in former ages their immunities franchises and liberties as well abroad as at home as well in their houses as in their fieldes They shall possesse their tenancies without ciectiō they shal be inheritors without expulsion as well to the lawes liberties and customes as to the lands possessions of their Auncestors They shall not be compelled to goe to warefare vppon their owne costes they shall not be tried arraigned

in the same Sea for anie other profitable vse or purpose then onely for wearing of a whyte rochet walking with a pastorall staffe keeping seuen yeares Sabboth from preachinge in his parishe Church of Fulham consecrating of Chappels hallowinge of Fontes Christening as they call it of Belles whyting of Walles painting of Tombes garnishing of Sepulchres preserving of superstitious Monumentes in glasse Windowes repayring and gylding rotten and outworne Crosses confirming Leases of Benefices with cure of soules vpon small rentes improprying Churches or such like For if the great thinges of his Episcopall power may bee transferred eyther by expresse or by secret consent eyther by commission or custome and that as well to an inferiour as to a superiour as well to a Suffragane a Deane an Archdeacon and a Prebendarie as to an Archb. then it seemeth reasonable that the smaler things before spoken of may well bee performed without anie Lordly authoritie When I had thus finished according to our line that whiche I firste vndertooke against the Admonitors pretensed dangerous alterations innovations and inconveniences was also purposed to haue added that which in myne opinion seemeth to prove that whiche the Admonitor by his opinion denyeth viz that the externall goverment of the Church should alwayes and in all places bee one when I saye I had thus purposed by reason of some other present and for the time more necessarie occasion I was drivē to alter my mind and to shewe the same in a place somewhat more convenient And yet in the meane whyle it shall not be amisse but a thing verie necessarie in this place so to cleare the state of the question betweene the Admonitor and mee as the same beeing rightlie before hande vnderstoode there might no preiudicate opinion bee conceaved against the trueth The Admonitor against the not having of one forme of externall policie in all ages and states of the Church of Christ alleadgeth that in Denmarke they haue Bishoppes both in name and in office that in Saxony they haue Archbishoppes and Bishoppes in office but not in name that in Tigure they haue no Senate of Elders nor the discipline by excommunication which they more mislike that in Geneua in Scotland in other places they haue a gouernment not much vnlike that platforme which is desired to be amōg vs that in Saxonie Basill they kneele at the Lordes Supper all Tigure they sitt it is brought vnto thē that in other places they go and receyue it for the more expedition as they passe And that he doubteth not but that the learned men whom God sent to instruct those churches in which the Gospell in those dayes was first receyued haue bin directed by the spirit of God to reteyne this libertie that in externall gouernment and other outward orders they might choose such as they thought in wisedom and godlines to bee most convenient for the state of their countrey and disposition of the people Vnto all which we answere briefelie viz. that Bishoppes both in name and in office beeing of diuine institution ought aswell to bee in the Church of England as of Denmark that it is an errour by their leaue in the Church of Saxony not to haue Archb. and Bb. in name if so be they hold it lawful to haue Archb. and Bishops in office For what should a necessarie officer doe without a conuenient name And touching the Church of Tigure it is not materiall what the same church doth thinke not tolerable or doth more mislike but what shee ought not to mislike or what it ought not to think tollerable And thē what a poore proofe is there here made trowe we for the confirmation of the corruptions in the Church of England by producing for two witnesses two erroures in the Church of Tigure For not to like a Senate of Elders and more to mislike excommunication is more and more to slide out of the right way And sithence we haue the whole christian Kingdome of Scotland the most famous and renowmed Church of Geneua and sundrie Churches by his confession in other places to be lights vnto vs and to agree with vs in a gouerment not much vnlike to that which we desire wee haue not only great cause to reioyce in this our desires but also to be much comforted and encouraged by these examples by all holie meanes to labour the full accomplishment thereof For by this testimony by these instances giuen produced by him selfe the Admonitor hath quite and cleane weakened and disabled his owne generall position opinion and thoughts of the vnnecessaries and inconvenientnes of hauing the Apostolicall and primitiue gouernment in the time of peace vnder a Christian Magistrate For hath not the free Kingdome of Scotland the free Citie of Geneva and other Soueraigne and free Princes Potentates and Powers not being vnder Tyrantes and persecution receaved the same as being the best the fittest the convenientest most necessarie gouerment yea even in the time of peace and vnder their christian Magistracie for the state of their countrey and disposition of their people And as touching rites ceremonies we affirme not that every rite ceremonie or circumstance to be vsed in the externall execution of church goverment is preciselie sett down in the holy Scriptures but touching the substance of goverment thus we say and thus we hold viz. that the Officers and Governours appointed by our Saviour Christ to bee over the Churches in everie Countrey observing the generall rules of decencie comelines and edification haue libertie with the consent of their Christian King or other supreame Magistrate to choose what rites ceremonies they in wisedome and godlines shall thinke most convenient And therefore wee graunt that the officers of Christ in the vse and dispensation of their functions are no more exactlie tyed by any direct commandement in the holy Scriptures to vse at all times and in all places one only maner of rites ceremonies then were the Priests of the law to vse all one maner of kniues to kill their sacrifices or the singers to sing all songes after one maner of tune or vpon one kind of instrument or then are Kinges Princes in all Countreys commanded to vse all kind of circumstances in the outward execution of civill iustice in their common weales As then as it was lawful for the Priests to haue kniues and trumpets of divers fashions and for the Levites to haue their Musicall instrumentes of divers formes Nay as sundrie Iustices of peace in sundrie Shires of the Kingdome are not bound to keepe their quarter sessions all in one day to begin to breake their sessions at one instant to stande to sit to walke when soever they speake to weare all one fashion hates cappes cloakes or gownes and such like so likewise is it with the Bishops Pastoures and Elders of the church In the ministration of Baptisme there is no direct cōmandment that the vessel to hold the water for the

or condemned by forrein power or by forren lawes There shall no husbandrie no clothing no handicraft no mariner no marchādize no lawes of the land no maner of good learning whatsoeuer in Schoole Colledge or Vniversitie bee decreased or laid aside Wherfore the Admonitor toying neuer so much how so euer he hath made his flourish cast about with his May bees his I feare his I pray God his yfes his andes howsoeuer I say it pleased him to trifle with these gew gawes yet shall none euer be able to proue by anie proofes dravvne from the holy Scripture or humane reason that anie hinderance in dignitie or incumbrance can euer betide our Nobles our Commons the state of our Countrey people lawes or common Weale if the state of church-gouermēt were translated from Archbishops Bishops Archdeacons Chancelours Cōmissaries and Officialls which are officers in the house of God onelie according to the commaundements and traditions of men vnto the gouernment practised by the Apostles and primitiue Church which they can not denie but must cōfesse to haue bene according to the holy pleasure of God Nay our Nobles and our commons are most assured to be so farre from being endamaged or loosing ought hereby as herby they shall purchase that vnto them selues which neuer yet any oppugner of so good and holy a cause could attayne vnto Namely they shall seale vp vnto their owne soules infallible testimonies of good and sincere consciences testimonies I saye of their fidelities vnto God testimonies of their allegiance vnto him by whom they haue bene redeemed and testimonies of loue and compassion vnto the whole church of God Nay further our cōmons shal be so farre from bringing anie damage vpon them selues as they shall marvelouslie benefit them selues First by purchasing vnto themselues a large immunitie from manie foule and great greeuances and exactions of money imposed leuied vpon them by officers and deputies of Archbishops Bishops Archdeacons c. Secondlie by hauing the Lord Christ whose cause they vndertake and whose glorie they advance to be a friend vnto their friends and an enemie vnto their enemies And if our Nobles and our Commons be all hushed if they be all at sleepe at peace and at rest we may cast away all feare and be past all doubt that the King can not but holily recreate and solace him selfe and that his gray haires when soeuer they shall come shall neuer be brought to the graue in sorrow but in a good perfect age and peace But happelie it may be replied that Pag. ●9 some of our Nobles and most of our commons be so backwardlie affected Pag. 79. to the trueth of Religion as that rather they would turne head vpon the Gospell then brooke an alteration of Archiepiscopall Episcopal and Archidiaconall Church gouerment In deed if a reformation of the state of the Cleargie were attempted by anie other meanes then by publicke tractation and cōsent of Parleamēt I could not but leane vnto this opinion that the attempting thereof might bring an overthrow to the attempters Because the same attempt should be dishonorable to the name of God as being contrarie to the forme of doctrine receiued But since thinges amisse are required to be redressed by the King and Parleament alone this obiection is altogether vaine and frivolous and is alreadie sufficientlie convinced by that peaceable agreement betweene Nobles and Commons before remembred But let vs wade a litle deeper and search a litle more narrowlie into euery vaine creeke and corner of this supposition And let vs see by what maner of persons this pretensed ouerthrow of the Gospell might be wrought All carnall sensuall and earthly men No fe●re that prophane men will ouerthrow the Gospell either whose belly is their god or whose god is this world all such men I say as in euery age be of Domingoes religion namely iust iumpe of that religion which the King and State professe they are so farre from attempting ought to ouerthrow the Gospel as vnder the shadow of the name thereof they wil euermore croude and couer their carnalitie and prophanes For they being euermore of euery religion and so in deede of no religion and passing not whether our Sauiour Christ or Beliall be their God sing as the Poët singeth Ais Aio Negas Nego becke and bow cap and knee to whatsoeuer the state and lawe commandes If the King be a Gospeller the Gospell the Gospell and naught els but the Gospell shal be found to roule in their mouthes But let the Crowne once turne by and by they haue turned their coates and as wether cockes with euery puffe of wind are huffed about Whatsoeuer order or maner of gouerment be planted or displanted in the Church the same shal be no corosiue to them It shall neuer sticke in these mens stomackes neither will they lay it to their hearts The King and Counsell is wise inough and knowe what they haue to doe well inough They will not be more forward nor wiser thē the Prince they will not checke and controll the whole Realme They can not brooke these busie bodies and medlers in matters aboue their reach They wil be none of these new fangled and precise fooles they will not bee backward and come behinde the law as the Papistes doe neither will they be to forward and runne before the law as the Puritans doe But they wil behaue themselues in all things and at all seasons as discrete politike Protestants ought to doe cōforming submitting themselues alwayes to all order authoritie of the Queenes booke lawes setled Yea and though they be not booke learned nor any pen clerkes yet they beleeue well And therefore they will goe to the Church and say a few prayers yea they will receaue the Sacrament at Easter as deuoutlie as the best precisian of them all All these Atheistes and godlesse men being neither hot nor cold neither fish nor flesh nor good red hering plant what plants you will and sow what seedes you list yea make what ditch hedge pale wall or fence you please they set cocke vpon hoope passe not a button for it euery season be it wet or be it dry euery kind of lād be it clay or be it sand euery furrow be it broad or be it narrow be it deepe or be it shallow pleaseth cōtenteth these medley coates alike They are like vnto Iacobs ●wes which hauinge straked and party coloured rods laid before them in the gutters at a ramming time brought forth none other but partie coloured lambes And therfore they will neuer stir hand nor foote nor once steppe ouer a straw to worke any least anoyance to the Gospell It is good sleeping alwayes for these men in a whole skinne And not much vnlike to these partie coloured slepers are the admoni●orie protestants For they as the dutie of faithfull subiectes doe bind them li●ing in a state of a Church reformed and hauing libertie in

externall gouermēt other outward orders to choose such as they thinke in wisedom godlinesse to bee most convenient for the state of their countrie and disposition Admonitorie Protestants by their owne doctrine ought not to bind the Church to a perpetuall goverment of prelacie of the people and hauing the consent of their godly Magistrates to that out ward forme of iurisdiction and deciding of Ecclesiasticall causes these kind of protestants I say alwayes blowing out the trumpet of obedience and crying an alarum of loyaltie to euery ordinance of man and grauelie wiselie and stoutlie demeaning them selues against all the giddy heads and fanaticall scismatikes and wrangling spirits of our age dare not I trow slip the collar nor cast of the yoke dare not push with the horne nor wince with the heele against the Gospel If so bee by the authoritie of our Christian King with the consent of his Parleamēt the platforme of gouerment as hee saith deuised by some of our neighbour Churches but as we they thē selues confesse practised by the Apostles and primitiue Church might bee receiued and established to bee the best and fittest order of gouerment for the Church of Englande as well as it hath bene a long time and yet is of Scotland of most of all other Christian Churches For if it be to great a bridle of christian libertie as they say in thinges externall to cast vpon the Church of Christ a perpetuall commandement if the church haue free libertie to make choise of what gouerment soeuer shee thinketh convenient then is she neither restrained at her pleasure to forsake that which by long experience she hath found to be inconvenient neither is she tied still to retaine Archiepiscopall Episcopall and Archidiaconall gouerment though for a long season the same haue bene vsed For that in deed might well and iustlie be said to be too great a bridle of christian libertie when by necessitie there is cast vpon the Church such a perpetuall regiment of prelacie as may not be remooued Wherefore if our continued prelaticall discipline whereby the libertie of the church is taken away by publike authoritie of the King and States might be discontinued and libertie graunted to the Church to vse the Apostolical discipline either our Admonitorie Protestantes must yeelde stoup and obey or else be found to be a wayward a contentious and a from●ple generation And if these two former kinds of our people which the land beeing deuided into fiue partes make three at the least shall euery way be supporters of vnitie and conformitie to the Gospell and no way disturbers of the peace libertie and tranquilitie of the Church what ouerthrow or what damage may the Gospell sustaine by the other parts Yea though they should vnite linke and confederate themselues in one For are they not weaker in power poorer in purse of farre lesse reputation then the former And yet neuertheles these partes are at such deadlie feude one against the other and at such an irreconciliable enimitie betweene them selues that the case standeth now betweene them as sometimes it stood betwene Caesar and Pompey not whether of them should reigne but whether of them should liue And how then can these parts thus diuided possiblie agree together against the other partes so surelie combined Besides the first sort of these two sorts Puritane Protestants can neuer othrowe the Gospell whom it pleaseth our Protestantes the Admonishers for difference sake to dubb with the Knights Hood of Precisians or precise and puritane Protestants Why They are the onelie and principall spokes-men and petitioners for the Apostolicall Discipline required to bee planted Nay these men out of the holy Scriptures so resolutelie are perswaded of the trueth of God conteyned therein as without which they know perfectlie that the doctrine of the Gospel can neuer powerfullie florish or be enterteyned with so high a maiestie in the hearts of men as it ought to be And as The Gospel hath ouerthrown the papist therfore he can neuer ouerthrowe the Gospell for the other sort the Papistes I meane alas that poore ratt what ouerthrow can he worke to the Gospel whose bane the Gospell hath wrought so long since Alas this faynt goast is so farre spent his disease growne so desperate his sickenesse now at such an hay-now-hay as al the phisicke of all the Phisitions in the world cā not recouer his health or once take away his hed-ach This silly snake then hauing hissed out all his sting spit out all his venime vngorged him self of all his poyson how can his skin or how should his tayle anoy the Gospel If therefore it might please the Admonishers vpon a reuew of our State our countrey and our people to cast such men as be open enemies to the Gospell into squadrons causing them to march rancke by rancke troupe by troupe and deliuering vnto the King a muster roule of all the names qualities conditions of the principal popish recusants within the Realme for none but such onely can be suspected openly to bande them selues against the Gospell it is not to be doubted but the least part of all the other foure partes would bee as great in number as these And what thē should the King and state feare the multitudes of recusantes when one standing on the Kings side should be able to withstand tenne and tenne an hundreth and an hūdreth a thousand and a thousand tenne thousand papistes King Asa crying vnto the Lord his God that it was nothing with him to helpe with many or with no power and resting vpon the 2 Cron. 14. Lord ouercame tenne hundreth thousand and three hūdreth chariots of the Ethiopians and Labimes For the eyes of the Lord behold all the earth to shew him selfe strong with them that are of a perfect heart toward him And when King Ioash remembred not the kindnes which Iehoiada the Priest had done vnto 2 Chro 24. him but slew Zechariah his sonne the Lord deliuered the King a verie great armie into the hands of a small companie of the host of the King of Aram who gaue sentēce against the King slew all the Princes of Iudah frō among the people and caried the spoyle of them vnto Damascus And thus much concerning the Admonitors proposition viz Whatsoeuer will draw with it many and great alterations of the state of gouernment and of the lawes the same may bring rather the ouerthrow of the Gospell then the end that is desired All which speach of his I affirme to be but a vaine and trifling ridle as the vvhole strenght whereof resteth onely vppon a may bee Wherevnto if I should onelie haue spokē thus and no more viz that manie and great alterations c. might rather not bring an ouerthrow of the Gospell c. I suppose and that vpon good ground that such may might not be might euerie way be as forcible to disproue the one as his may be