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A15134 An examination of M. Doctor VVhytgiftes censures, contained in tvvo tables, sett before his booke, entituled The defence of the aunswer to the admonition, &c.; Examination of M. Doctor Whytgiftes censures, contained in two tables, sett before his booke, entituled The defence of the aunswer to the admonition, &c. Fulke, William, 1538-1589, attributed name. 1575 (1575) STC 25433; ESTC S119896 42,859 56

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Centurye that there were Archbyshopes in S. Ambrose his tyme and shewe also howe muche they dyffered from the Archbyshopes that followed in the Popishe tymes yet in some other place they might alleadge the auctoritie of Ambrose out of his booke de dignitate sacerdotali to proue that in his tyme the degree of an Archbyshope was not distinct from the degree of a Byshope in dignitie but onlye for order sake because he there deuideth the Clergye into no more degrees then these three Byshopes Elders and Deacons 24 He sayeth that Ierome and Augustine speaketh of Archdeacons in those places where they only speake of Deacons pag 346. 24 Vndoubtedlie Ierome speaketh of an Archdeacon in the place quoted by T. C that is in his Epistle to ●uagrius Wher fyrst he fyndeth greate faulte that any Deacon should be preferred befor the Elders or Priests which by the Scriptures he proueth to be equale to the Byshopes and afterward sheweth howe the Byshope came to be preferred namlye by consent of the reste of the Elders for auoydinge contention as yf the Armye chuse a Capitayne or the Deacons chuse one amonge them selues whom they knowe to be a diligent man and call hym Archdeacon So that by Ieroms iudgment the Archdeacon was preferred aboue the Deacons but not thereby pre●erred before Elders So the falsifycation of Ierome is not to be aduouched The lyke maye be sayde of Augustine for seinge the Archdeacon in those tymes was but the cheife Deacon and so but a Deacon whatsoeuer was spoken against the presumptions of the inferior deacons ouer the Elders maye be also sayde of the Archdeacons or cheife deacons I thinke master Whytgifte howsoeuer he woulde seme to walke vnder a cloude in this matter yet he will not saye for shame that the Archdeacons in sainte Ieroms and sainte Augustines dayes had auctoritie ouer the Elders and mynisters as they haue nowe whiche is the thinge in question and whiche T.C. denyeth 25 The words of Socrates are falsefyed pag 350. 25 The wordes of Socrates be not falsefyed for they be not alledged nor translated but his meaninge is faythfully and truely rendered that the Byshops of Rome and Alexandria leauinge the sacred function were degenerated into a seculer rule or dominion which master doctor translateth that they were passed the limites of priesthode to an outward dominion What difference is here in the sene If T. C. take ●pon hym to translate out of Greeke into Latine or Englyshe by all lykelyhod he well do it as well as master doctor can doe It is happy he can not saye but that the sence is all one thoughe the wordes be not the same And yet there is no great difference betwene passing and degeneratinge the limites of priesthode and the holy ●unction seculer dominion and outward dominion 26 He vntruely reporteth the words of Cypriane pag 257. 26 He reporteth no wordes of Cypriane but onlye affyrmeth a truthe out of Cypriane that 90 byshopes of one prouince condemned Priuatus an hereticke master doctor quareleth at the name of prouince wherbye T. C. meaneth that t●ac● of the countrye whiche was neare about the Cittie where these byshops dyd meete For yf the diocesses had been so large as commonlie the diocesses of byshopes are nowe so manye coulde not so often meete in councell as it is manifest in deede by that epistle of Cyprian ▪ with master doctor citeth lib 1. Epist 3. and manye other that 40.39.66 byshopes mette in councell commonly euerye yeare and peraduenture more then one in the yeare whiche coulde not be yf they had dwelled so farre a sounder as byshopes do nowe As for that he alledgeth out of Masseus of the patriarche of Antioche to proue the lardgnes of one prouince is to little purpose for there were but fower Patriarches in the worlde vnder the byshope of Rome as appeareth in the councell of Laterane therefore euery one of them muste haue a great manye prouinces vnder hym Besids that he expresseth not what tyme ther wer so manye byshops subiect ▪ to hym sauing that he semeth to saye that they are nowe and T C. speaketh of Cyprians tymes thirten hundreth yeare agoe 27 He falsefye●h the meaninge of Tertullian alludinge that to ceremonies that Tertullian meanethe of faythe and of saluation pag. 370. 27 I neuer knewe a man of suche learninge so farre to ouershoote hym self as master Whytgifte dothe in this place For he alledgeth a woorke of Tertulliane to proue that his rule as to be vnderstande onlye of matters of faythe and not of ceremonies or matters of discipline where he speaketh onlye and manifestlye of a ceremonie and a matter of discipline namelye the coueringe of Virgins in the congregation accordinge to the doctrine of sainte Paule For whereas the contrarie custome was crept into the Churche of Carthage that Virgins came barre headded into the congregation and had longe continued he declareth that Christ and the truthe is moste auncient and before all customes and therefore that to be followed whiche was fyrste in this matter And whereas master doctor woulde gather a difference out of Tertulliane of matter of fayth and matter of discipline he is muche deceiued For Tertulliane wrytinge of them that helde one true sayth whiche is immutable and erred in this matter of discipline sheweth that althoughe they retayned the rules of fayth vnchaungeable yet discipline also ▪ yf it were corrupted by euill custome muste be reformed accordinge to the worde of god And this is the true meaning of his words which are alledged by master Wgytgifte this lawe of fayth remaining other things of discipline and conuersation admitt newnes of correction the grace of God woorkinge and goinge forwarde euen to the ende He sayeth not that they maye be chaunged newely euery daye but t●at they maye be newely corrected yf they be growen into abuse and reformed accordinge to the Scriptures Now lett master doctor take h●de that he falsefyeth not the meaninge of Tertullian whiche interpreteth his meaninge cleane contrarie to the scope of his whole booke 28 He kepeth backe the woords of Theodoret that explane his meaninge pag 412. 28 The wordes here spoken of in the Censure are afterward in the probation pag 413. sayed to be one woorde Tavten This Well put Tavten to that whiche T. C. sayeth and what is the matter mended Theodoret sayeth that Chrysostom had the same care of the churche of Thracia Asya and Pontus that he had of the churche of Constantinople erge he had the same rule and auctoritie What lodgike is this But Theodoret sayeth in plaine woordes he gouerned the Churches in Pontus with those lawes M. D confesseth the Greeke to be katekosmei tois nomois that is he garnished or bewtefyed with lawes But dothe he falsefye Theodoret because he leaueth out Tavtois there Suerlye there is asmuche subtiltie in leauinge out the other and greater preiudice in translatinge katekosmei he gouerned then in ●matting Tavtois these Yet you will saye yt can not be auoyded but that he had