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A27035 A second true defence of the meer nonconformists against the untrue accusations, reasonings, and history of Dr. Edward Stillingfleet ... clearly proving that it is (not sin but) duty 1. not wilfully to commit the many sins of conformity, 2. not sacrilegiously to forsake the preaching of the Gospel, 3. not to cease publick worshipping of God, 4. to use needful pastoral helps for salvation ... / written by Richard Baxter ... ; with some notes on Mr. Joseph Glanviles Zealous and impartial Protestant, and Dr. L. Moulins character. Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1681 (1681) Wing B1405; ESTC R5124 188,187 234

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the_o receiver_n must_v put_v no_o hindrance_n awhile_o they_o make_v the_o want_n of_o necessary_a intention_n desire_n true_a faith_n repentance_n to_o be_v the_o hindrance_n leave_v the_o subject_a uncapable_a of_o the_o grace_n of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n §_o 14._o it_o irk_v i_o to_o repeat_v but_o you_o constrain_v i_o scotus_n and_o okam_n and_o then_o i_o need_v not_o say_v how_o many_o more_o confute_v aquinas_n at_o large_a for_o call_v sacrament_n so_o much_o as_o instrument_n give_v grace_n as_o he_o explain_v it_o and_o so_o do_v pet._n aliaco_n camera●_n brief_o in_o 4._o q._n 1._o b._n c._n conclude_v that_o sacrament_n be_v no_o cause_n of_o grace_n proper_o but_o improper_o because_o deus_n in_o sacramentis_fw-la ordinavit_fw-la sic_fw-la agere_fw-la non_fw-la quod_fw-la ipsa_fw-la sacramenta_fw-la agant_fw-la and_o that_o a_o sacrament_n neither_o by_o its_o own_o virtue_n nor_o by_o any_o virtue_n give_v it_o be_v any_o proper_a efficient_a cause_n of_o any_o disposition_n in_o the_o soul_n previous_a to_o grace_n or_o of_o grace_n itself_o but_o a_o condition_n sine_fw-la qua_fw-la non_fw-la dispositiv_fw-mi improper_o call_v causa_fw-la dispositiva_fw-la moralis_n non_fw-la effectiva_fw-la sed_fw-la receptiva_fw-la yet_o they_o grant_v also_o a_o moral_a objective_n causality_n by_o signification_n brianson_n in_o 4._o q._n 1._o fol._n 6._o conclude_v 1._o doc_fw-fr sacramenta_fw-la non_fw-la sunt_fw-la graliae_fw-la causa_fw-la effectiva_fw-la sed_fw-la solum_fw-la per_fw-la modum_fw-la meriti_fw-la per_fw-la ea_fw-la datur_fw-la gratia_fw-la cite_v ricardus_n scotus_n aureolus_n franc._n perusius_n etc._n etc._n against_o thom._n &_o alexand._n herein_o yet_o say_v baptismus_fw-la indiget_fw-la fide_fw-la quae_fw-la est_fw-la dispositio_fw-la &_o fundamentum_fw-la omnium_fw-la sacramentorum_fw-la vel_fw-la in_o se_fw-la ut_fw-la in_o adultis_fw-la vel_fw-la in_o alio_fw-la ut_fw-la in_o parvulis_fw-la suarez_n de_fw-fr legib._n l._n 9_o c._n 6._o p._n 748._o col._n 2._o de_fw-la circumcis_fw-la nam_fw-la etiam_fw-la ipsa_fw-la fides_fw-la parentum_fw-la er_fw-mi at_o conditio_fw-la necessaria_fw-la &_o sine_fw-la qua_fw-la non_fw-la et_fw-la tamen_fw-la de_fw-fr illa_fw-la dici_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la quod_fw-la gratiam_fw-la daret_fw-la infanti_fw-la ex_fw-la opere_fw-la operato_fw-la nec_fw-la quod_fw-la gratiam_fw-la contineret_fw-la etiam_fw-la nec_fw-la causa_fw-la justificans_fw-la parvulos_fw-la dici_fw-la potest_fw-la nisi_fw-la late_a &_o improprio_fw-la modo_fw-la sicut_fw-la dicitur_fw-la de_fw-la quolibet_fw-la remedio_fw-la vel_fw-la conditione_n sine_fw-la qua_fw-la non_fw-la and_o brianson_n also_o say_v in_o 4._o q._n 4._o doc_fw-fr 1._o fol._n 34_o quod_fw-la ficte_n recipientes_fw-la baptismum_fw-la non_fw-la habent_fw-la gratiam_fw-la baptismi_fw-la dicunt_fw-la scholastici_fw-la yea_o even_a hildebrand_n in_o one_o of_o his_o roman_a council_n conclude_v that_o the_o sacrament_n of_o 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