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A89881 Interest will not lie. Or, a view of England's true interest: in reference to the [brace] papist, royalist, Presbyterian, baptised, neuter, Army, Parliament, City of London. In refutation of a treasonable pamphlet, entituled, The interest of England stated. Wherein the author of it pretends to discover a way, how to satisfie all parties before-mentioned, and provide for the publick good, by calling in the son of the late King, &c. Against whom it is here proved, that it is really the interest of every party (except only the papist) to keep him out: and whatever hath been objected by Mr. William Pryn, or other malcontents, in order to the restoring of that family, or against the legality of this Parliament's sitting, is here answer'd by arguments drawn from Mr Baxter's late book called A holy commonwealth, for the satisfaction of them of the Presbyterian way; and from writings of the most learned royalists, to convince those of the royal party. By Mar. Nedham. Nedham, Marchamont, 1620-1678. 1659 (1659) Wing N392; Thomason E763_5; ESTC R202968 47,454 45

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way in reason left for a remedie while things stand upon a Monarchick Episcopal or a Mongrel-Episcopo-Presbyterian Bottom call it which ye please SECT VI. Of the Army THe great Block in the way of the Cavaliers design hath alwaies been the Army and if that could be removed or debauched then they would easily compleat it No wonder then our Author useth so many Arts of Insinuation to attempt the seducing of them from a sence of their own and the publick Interest to an espousing of Charls which were a miracle indeed could it be effected but certainly not without wonderful Sorcerie whereas for ought yet appears in our Author we cannot take him for a Witch nor suspect his Pemphlet to be guilty of any strong Inchantment First he would inflame the Nation against the Soldiery saying Their aim is to govern it by the sword and keep themselves from being disbanded The falshood of this is evident for they have restored the Parliament to the Law making part and for the other part of Government the execution and distribution of Law it is as full and free as ever as every man that frequents the Term can tell you But he brandishes this discourse of the sword on purpose to dazle mens eyes that they may not discern that sword of Charls Stuart which yet lurks in the Scabbard but must if he get in of necessitie be drawn as is shewn in the foregoing Section and held over the people to give Law to all other Laws which concern mens propertie or their Libertie of Conscience It is the Armie's or rather the Parliament and peoples sword in the Armie's hand which secureth all men from the power and revenge of his sword which were it once in action would soon cut the throat of all our Liberties Next he strikes upon another string to try whether that will make any jarring telling the Army it is the Parliaments interest to pull them down and that the raising County Troops and new Militia's is designed onely to check and curb them So here in two lines the Cavalier hath discovered his two notable designs He knows there is no way for him to pull down both Parliament and Army but in dividing them by discontents and making them pull at one another and he knows also that the ready way to facilicate the effecting of his main purpose is to beget a misunderstanding and an animosi tie betwixt the Army and the Countrey Militia's that they may jar with each other and not be cordially united to cheek and curb that Cavalier design which is now on foot though in a disguise and laid for the common ruine both of Parliament and Army City and Country The Author having projected his plot thus he proceeds to improve it and ventureth to tell the Army it is their interest to bring in the King but why 1. Because every Soldier is sensible we are concerned to be under a single person It is quickly said without proof and the Soldiers expect reason before they believe for as you say well they are not like the French or Spanish Infantry those venal souls that understand nothing besides pay and plunder but as becomes an English Army fighting for their Rights and Freedoms have always argued matters before they acted and still owned a publick spirit and the meanest of them can tell you there are several ways of being governed without a single person and that it concerns them howsoever as high as their heads to keep out that single person whom God made them Instruments to cast out and never be insnared either by promises from him or by discontents among themselves 2. Because thereby they cut off the necessity of perpetual war Before this in Page 4. the Gentleman said It is the Armies interest to be always engaged in War that they may keep themselves from dis … ding and here he tells them t is their Interest to bring the KING because that would put an end to War Riddle my Riddle and reconcile these two Points if you can but the Author must say any thing to create division and discontent among us and rather than said he will scribble Contradictories and cares not though he set one part of his Pamphlet a quarrelling with the other to reach us the wit to avoid his design and live in unity and amity 3. Because without calling in him they will hazard their Acquisitions Cujus contrarium verum est there is no reader way to hazard them Crown-Lands being by many of them acquired for their Pay and if it be possible a way will be found out by Charles for a Resumption 4. Because it is the way to secure their Pay and Arrears he being the only person that can with a free Parliament raise Contributions and Taxes in a Legal manner Believe it if you list but consider that first his own Party must be paid and provided for and then he may be at leisure to pay you with a vengeance Besides admit he should mean really to provide you your Arrears too what an incredible vast Charge would both be to the Nation what an opportunity would he have to devise new impositions and payments and when you are paid off ye shall ye may be sure be turned off then none remaining in Armes but his own pure party t will be easie to find pretences to continue those Payments and make Parliaments which no doubt will then be led in a string in a brave state of Freedome to establ●sh them by a Law unto posterity It shall all be done in a Legal manner and the Army and we and all shall be paid I warrant ye according to Law Club-law Cavalier-Law Warren-Law They have often been attemp●ing to bring Matters to this pass and therefore give me leave to spread a few more particulars for the consideration of our Friends the Army First consider that having often failed by force they now assail you by Force and Fraud both together you cannot forget their malice though now they sawn and would fain seem to hug you that they may be able to get within you and trip up your heels or grasp you to death Remember how often by your matchless courage and fidelity ye have rescued the Commonwealth out of their hands They have drawn the poor people no less than three several times into open insurrection and rebellion Besides this they brought on the Scots to a miserable oppression and devastation of the Land by two several invasions in all which God enabled you to defeat their expectations and forces so that besides the quelling of their power and interest in Scotland the hand of the Lord hath gone out so visibly against them in three distinct Wars that they have been no less than thrice miraculoussy and completely conquered here at home and the blood which they sought hath been drawn out of their own sides to fill up the Cup of the Lord's indignation and fury against themselves and all their Partakers Though it were possible
Interest will not Lie Or a View of ENGLAND'S True Interest In reference to the PAPIST ROYALIST PRESBYTERIAN BAPTISED NEUTER ARMY PARLIAMENT City of LONDON In refutation of a treasonable Pamphlet entituled The Interest of England stated Wherein the Author of it pretends to discover a way how to satisfie all Parties before-mentioned and provide for the Publick Good by calling in the Son of the late King c. Against whom it is here proved That it is really the Interest of every Party except only the Papist to keep him out And whatever hath been objected by Mr. William Pryn or other Malcontents in order to the restoring of that Family or against the legality of this Parliament's sitting is here answer'd by Arguments drawn from Mr Baxter's late Book called A Holy Commonwealth for the satisfaction of them of the Presbyterian way and from Writings of the most learned Royalists to convince those of the Royal Party By MAR. NEDHAM London Printed by Tho. Newcomb dwelling over-against Bainards-Castle in Thames-street 1659. Interest will not lie Or A View of ENGLAND'S True Interest c. The Preamble IT is a Maxim among Politicians That Interest will not lie Which prudential saying hath a twofold sense the improving whereof is very useful to a man either in the conduct of his own Affairs or in discerning the conduct and end of the Affairs and enterprises of other men One sense of it may be this That if you can apprehend wherein a man's Interest to any particular Game on foot doth consist you may surely know if the man be prudent whereabout to have him that is how to judge of his designe For which way soever you foresee his Interest doth in prudence dispose him that way provided he be so wise as to understand his own Concernment he will be sure to go and so his Interest provided also that in your calculation thereof you be not mistaken will not lie to you it will not deceive you in your judgement concerning the mans Intents and Proceedings The other sense of that Maxim is That if a man state his own Interest aright and keep close to it it wil not lie to him or deceive him in the prosecution of his Aims and ends of Good unto himself nor suffer him to be missed or drawn aside by specious pretences to serve the ends and purposes of other men This being so and Designs being now generally laid to engage the People a new in blood and confusion and this fawning Pamphlet having for the same cause been dispersed throughout the Three Nations it was necessary for the right information of our Countrimen of all Parties to give them a view of their true Interests for fear lest by this and the other treasonable Papers which fly up and down or through the slie insinuations and perswasions of cunning men any one Party should happen to be seduced from a right understanding of their Interest at such a time as this and imbarque themselves for the Interest of a Publick Enemy upon supposition of attaining thereby their own and the Publick welfare Therefore give me leave to trace and overtake the Deceiver I mean this Author in his own Method in the prosecution whereof I shall endeavor to manifest That as it is a main Point of Interest among the Grandee-Cavaliers both here and beyond-sea by spreading Libels false Rumors fair Promises subtile Arguments of Perswasion and all other waies imaginable to rub mens discontents and bewitch their senses that they may not be able to discern their own Concernments So on the other side We who are the People of all Parties considering that those Cavalier-Grandees are concerned to draw us in if they can to do their drudgery in War at the hazard of our Necks ought to conceive it a principal part of our Interest to understand theirs and not to suffer our selves to be trepann'd by fine pretences and devices to venture our own bloods and shed the blood of others for the erecting of their greatness upon our own particular and the general Ruine And because this Author saith one thing well That the real go●d of the Nation consists not in the private benefit of single men but the advantage of the Publi●k and that it is made up not by the welfare of any one Party but of all Therefore when I have made it appear by scanning the Interests and Concernments of all Parties among us that no one party no not the Royalists themselves except only the Papist can hope for any good by the restitution of Charls Stuart but must necessarily partake in the common calamity as well as others then I suppose the Conclusion will naturally follow That it is the Interest of all to keep him out SECTION I. Of the Papist whom our Author calls by the more splendid name of Roman Catholick HIs words are these T is the Interest of the Roman Catholicks to bring in the King for by that means the heavy paiments now on their estates with other burthens will be taken off And as to the pressures of Penal Laws they cannot but remember how far from grievous they were in the late Kings time the Catholicks living here notwithstanding them in more flourishing condition than those of France Italy or Spain did under their respective Princes and would do infinitely more under their natural King than if any Foreiner should acquire the Power by Conquest Besides they generally having adhered to the late King in his Wars have no reason to distrust a favorable treatment from his Son 'T is well done of our Author to speak out and what he saith we will easily grant for the Papists cannot deny their own Interest so far as not to endevour by all means imaginable to restore the Son who hath made as fair professions to the Pope as ever the Father did and no doubt he would were he restored as really perform them We cannot forget what Transactions passed betwixt his Father and the Court of Rome at the time of his being in Spain and what a Letter of assurance he then wrote to his Holines nor how both the Father and Grandfather betrayed the Protestan Cause in Germany France and all over the world and how that to make way for Popery Superstition was countenanced Papists preferred to greatest places of Trust and were in greatest credit at Court while the best sort of Professors were forced to quite the Nation and retire into wildernesses in another world But to encourage Papists they as our Author saith had all burthens taken away from them and lived here in a more flourishing condition than those of France Italy or Spain did in their own countries He doth well also to remember us how close they stuck to the late King in his wars and we cannot forget that they had reason considering how close he stuck to them They know how it came about that some Hundred thousands of Protestants were by unheard of and most inhumane butcheries offered up in sacrifice