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A75699 An answer to divers scandals mentioned in a certain pamphlet, entituled, The humble remonstrance of Sr. Iohn Stawell. Written by John Ashe Esquire, 1654. Ashe, John, Esquire. 1654 (1654) Wing A3944; Thomason E1072_2*; ESTC R208223 28,340 31

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the Warre I thereupon sent my Letter to sir John Stawell letting him know That I could not gain a time as yet to deliver his Petition to the Parliament although I had done my utmost endeavours therein and that my occasions did call me suddenly into the Countrey therefore I did desire him to direct me into what hand I should put his Petition whilest I was absent which should not be above three weeks at most This Letter I sent to Newgate to sir John Stawell and he returned me an answer to this effect That he was very thankfull to me for the great care I had taken in the delivery of his Petition and was sorry that it had no better successe and that since my occasions called me into the Countrey he directed me to place his Petition in the hands of Mr. Denzil Hollis or Sir Philip Stapleton the very next morning I came to the Parliament-House somewhat early before the House sate and there very happily I met Mr. Hollis who was in a private discourse with another Gentleman I took the opportunity because I was to go out of Town the day following and somewhat uncivilly interrupting Mr. Hollis told him That Sir Iohn Stawell presented his respects unto him and had sent him a Petition which he did desire might be presented to the House by his hand Mr. Hollis took from me the Petition and put it in his pocket willing me to acquaint Sir Iohn Stawell that he would take care thereof And the same day assoon as I did return unto my Lodging I wrote a Letter to Sir Iohn Stawel wherein I told him That according to his direction I had delivered his Petition to Mr Hollis who had promised to take care thereof and advised him to employ some friend to mind Mr. Hollis of the same lest he should forget it Sir Iohn Stawel gave me an answer to this Letter the next morning which Letter his servant delivered me as I was taking horse to ride into the Countrey The Contents of which Letter were That he heartily thanked me for lodging his Petition in so worthy a hand and that he would observe my advice by sending some friend to Mr. Hollis to mind him thereof and so wished me a happy journey and a safe return I then went into the Countrey and returned again to the Parliament about three weeks after and assoon as I met with Mr. Hollis I asked him what he had done with Sir Iohn Stawels Petition which I had delivered him he told me That it was such a Petition that if he had delivered it to the House it would have more incensed the House against him For in that Petition said Mr. Hollis he desired nothing of the Parliament but his removal from Newgate to a better Prison Then said I Where is the Petition and what is become of it Mr. Hollis answered That he had sent it back to Sir Iohn Stawell with this direction That Sir Iohn Stawel should draw another Petition humbly acknowledging his miscarriages and to desire pardon for the same and the Prayer to be That the Parliament would remit him to Gold-Smiths Hall there to make his Composition and receive the benefit of Exeter Articles And I also sent him word said he that if he would send me such a Petition which would be for his good I would not only deliver the same to the Parliament but would engage all my friends that his desires might be granted Well said I did Sir John Stawell hearken to your advice and hath he sent you such a Petition No no said Mr. Hollis he doth utterly refuse to be advised by me Certainly the man is either mad or hath lost his wits else he would not be so obstinate Then said I Sir John Stawell hath often been advised by me and other his friends to follow that course which you have now advised him unto But he hath alwaies rejected our counsels and is peremptory in his resolutions which will be his ruine And I do affirm that I never received any other Petition from Sir John Stawell but that which I now mentioned And now Reader having thus in all plainness and truth made thee this faithful Narrative with all its circumstances and shewed who the Witnesses are that can and I presume will if called make good the same thou wilt exceedingly admire the front and boldness of this Gentleman Sir John Stawel who with so much confidence should adventure to publish in Print that which not only his own conscience tels him to be a notorious untruth but also knows the Witnesses that can convict him thereof and what cause hast thou then to believe those other stories which he hath printed and were as they are pretended private discourses between Sir Iohn Stawell and my self I had here concluded this discourse but finding in page 59 60 and 61. the Copy of a Letter signed by Sir Anthony Irby and directed unto Thracy Paunsfoot Esq and also a Certificate signed by Sir David Watkins I thought it requisite to give some answer to the said Letter and Certificate and then to conclude In that Letter signed by Sir Anthony Irby amongst other things which he doth there misrecite these particulars are related and asserted viz. That Sir Iohn Stawels deportment to us of the Committee at that time meaning at his second appearance and the other time that he was before us for my part I took no offence at it neither do I think justly there could be any he is of himself of a blunt carriage but for incivility I saw none at the times he was before us either in gesture or language for my part I would have had him admitted to Composition knowing money would have done the Parliament service besides by his Articles we ought but I was but one others were not of my mind but heightned his offence high took acceptions at his carriage and language would have it reported to the House For my part then I thought that there was more in it than was outwardly expressed but the truth was by the Order of the House we were bound up from admitting him to compound unless he took the Covenant except the House would dispence with it which they did when they approved of those Articles To this part of the Letter I give this Answer That Sir Anthony Irby was the principal man of all the Committee that took exceptions at the Paper which he is pleased now to call Sir John Stawels Petition and was presented at his first appearance And he first moved That the said Paper might be rejected saying it was rather a Remonstrance then a Petition And Sir Anthony Irby especially together with all the rest of the Committee then present were so offended at Sir John Stawels language and behaviour that they made an Order that I then being in the Chair of that Committee should the next day report the same to the Parliament which Report had been made accordingly but that I my self out of my respects to
place to be declared and is as followeth being my answer unto the second particular contained in the 30 and 31 pages of the said Remonstrance When I came to Newgate and the Lady Stawell had directed me to her Husbands Lodging I found sir John Stawell sitting in a Chaire taking a Pipe of Tobacco who said to me You are welcome this is done like a friend indeed to visit me in Prison so late in the night and then called his man to give me a stool to sit down by him and requested me to accompany him in taking a Pipe of Tobacco I told him that I understood by his Lady that he had a business of importance to impart unto me and therefore had sent for me I desired him in regard it was very late That he would let me know his business because I had engaged to my Brother in Fanchurch street to return home unto him speedily Sir John Stawell still pressed me first to take some Tobacco saying It was not then much past ten of the Clock and his custom was not to go to Bed before one or two in the morning The Lady Stawell then standing by said I pray Mr. Stawell impart unto Mr. Ashe what you have to say unto him for which you caused me to bring him hither For I have engaged to Mr. Edward Ashe that his Brother shall not be detained here by you above half an hour at the most Sir John Stawell hereupon caused the servants then present to depart the Room and there was only left with me himself and his Lady Then said Sir John Stawell Mr. Ash you know very well in what houses and in what manner I have lived all my life time and now see into what a noisom and little ugly Chamber I am put into There said he pointing to one side of the Chamber is a Trunk through which passeth the filth of the upper Prison and under my Chamber is the Vault into which all the filth of the Prison is emptied by means whereof I am annoyed with such a noisom stink the weather being hot that it is impossible for me to endure it for any time without the danger of my life Wherefore you being my only faithfull friend upon whom I can relie did think fit to send to you for my relief and therefore do now entreat you That either by a Motion or upon a short Petition you would procure leave from the Parliament that I may be removed to another Prison where I may enjoy the benefit of the open air and some wholsome walk and if upon your Motion or the delivery of my Petition you nominate the Tower of London though it be a very chargeable place I am contented rather to be placed there then to lose my life in this stinking Goal I gave Sir John Stawell then this answer Sir as I am most ready and willing to deliver to the Parliament any Petition for you that may tend to your good so am I very unwilling to deliver that which may be for your hurt For said I the Parliament will make this construction of your Petition That you stand still resolved in you contempt of their power and Authority and for that end do only desire health and strength to carry you through the encounter and therefore my advice is and as a faithfull friend I give you my Councel That since you have a mind to preferr a Petition unto the Parliament let it be such a one as may doe you good and quite free you from this and all other prisons What Petition said Sir John St●well do you mean A Petition said I wherein you should acknowledge all your miscarriages both at Goldsmiths Hall and at the Parliament and crave pardon for the same and let the Prayer of your Petition be to be remitted to Goldsmiths Hall to make your Composition and receive the benefit of Exceter Articles To this advice of mine Sir John Stawell gave this Answer Sir you know my resolution as to Compounding and you know as I have often told you That if I had a mind to Compound yet have I no money to pay the Composition and therefore Sir let me entreat you to deliver this short Petition to the Parliament for my removal out of this Prison and therein you will do the part of a faithfull friend since it is for the saving of my life You have said he told me the danger of this Petition so that if I suffer by it it is my own fault and none of yours I did at last consent when I could not perswade him to doe otherwise and did promise him to deliver this Petition unto the Parliament so as he would draw it up in such humble Language as I might not receive a reproof upon the delivery thereof Sir Iohn Stawell then promised to send me a foul draught of that Petition the next day that in case I did mislike his expressions I should correct it and I bad him good night and left him Reader thou hast here a faithfull and an exact Narrative of what was said and done by Sir Iohn Stawell and my self at that time when I visited him at Newgate which if compared with what is set down by Sir John Stawell in his Remonstrance page the 30 and 31. is quite another thing and thou maist clearly understand that the Petition which he often mentioneth and which I promised to deliver to the Parliament was not the Petition which he hath there Printed nor a Petition for his re-admission to Composition at Goldsmiths Hall as he told the High-Court of Justice was it but a Petition onely for his removal from Newgate to a better Prison as will more plainly appear by what followeth Upon the next day after I was at Newgate Sir John Stawell performed his promise and I had a sight of the foul draught of the Petition which he intended for me but the Preamble was penned in such high and unseemly language that I was enforced with my own Pen to correct the greatest part of it and so returned the same unto him again with my amendments which he not liking did the next day send me another Petition of his own drawing but I disliked that also because the language was such as did not become a Delinquent in his condition to tender unto the Parliament but at last after several amendments when I could not prevail to have it drawn as well as I desired I took it as it was and promised sir John Stawell to take the first opportunity to present it to the Parliament which promise I did faithfully perform and did for about sixteen dayes together for so long and no longer had I that Petition in my custody wait early and late to get a time to deliver the same unto the Parliament but Michaelmas then drawing on and my particular occasions calling me home into the Countrey for the ordering my affairs and setling my Estate there having been above four years absent from thence by reason of