and none can be in the truth and most truely live above the way ordained of God to life neither can any live above the way and yet be in the truth and therefore thy query is an unlearned question and manifests thy ignorance of the mysteries of Christ Q. 9. Whether if those who despised Moses Law died without mercy under two or three witnesses ought not those then that either in word practice or writing despise Christs Law to be deeply humbled and truely repent of so grievous a sin especially if they have taught others so do Answ I hope that is not the English of thy query viz. that thou wouldst have them more sorely punished that deny your water washing then those were that despised Moses Law Those who despise Christs Law ought to be deeply humbled and repent of it and turn from it or they cannot be saved and such are all those who despise the true light with which every man that cometh into the world is lighted and call it natural for Christ is a Law-giver and gives Laws to his children as Moses did to the Jews and his Laws and Ordinances are onely known and read in the true light and he which opposes or gain-says either in himself or others the manifestation of the Spirit which is given to every man to profit withall is an unprofitable servant unto God though he be found in all the outward practices of the true Church for God is a Spirit and they which worship him aright must worship in the Spirit and in the truth for such God did seek to worship him in the dayes of the Apostles and such God is seeking again and all others shall be discovered and cast out as dung upon the face of the earth and such despisers shall behold and wonder and by their mocking at the true light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world shall their bonds become strong and their punishment become sorer then those who despised Moses Law if they speedily repent not 10 Q. Whether it will be a good Plea at the dreadful day of Christ to say Lord we would not have despised thy Laws if thou hadst made them to our minds and we had thought they had been spiritual enough Answ It will be no good Plea at the dreadful day of Christ neither is it now to say Lord we would not have despised thy Laws if thou hadst made them to our minds and we had thought they had been spiritual enough and of this sort are all those who put the day of the Lord afar off and are of the night and know not the day of the Lord as yet to be dawned nor the day-star to be risen in their hearts but though they draw near with their lips their hearts are far from God and their minds are estranged from him by wicked works though in words they confess him yet they are but in their thoughts and think they stand sure but their foundation is rottenness and built upon the sands like all those who say and do not and hear his words but obey them not and cry the Temple of the Lord and Church-fellowship and Ordinances but hate to be Reformed and to have their conversation ordered aright and so cannot see Gods Salvation while they account that too low and carnal or legal and natural which checks and reproves for sin in the Conscience and accuses for evil and excuses when they do well and reject it and slight it as not spiritual enough and such are they thy Query speaks of had they known that the light in their Consciences had been spiritual and that which came from Christ the light of the world and given them to lead out of darkness and that with which they must come to see themselves lost and undone if ever they be saved and in the sight and sence of their miserable estate to wait for a Saviour and in that light to see him revealed to save when none can help or deliver I say this is the man and the woman that in truth thy Query speaks of that shall say Lord we would not have despised thy Laws if thou hadst made them to our minds or if they had been spiritual enough but the light in the Conscience we liked not because it alwayes bore a witness for God against all our evil wayes and now we marvel not that every one that doth evil hates it because it reproves them all but outward Observances and bodily Exercises we like well and in these Observations we look for the Kingdom of Heaven to come but to give up to be guided by the light in our Consciences and shines in our hearts for that to give us the knowledge of God in the face of Christ we like not but accounted it not sufficient to lead to Christ and that which prejudiced us the more against the light which shines in our hearts and hath long shewed us our evil words before we spake them and our thoughts when they first did arise in us before we consented to them to follow them was because we accounted it common to all men and that which every man had and that though it shewed some sins against the Law yet not all sins against the Gospel as unbelief and therefore slighted it as legal and natural and when it troubled us or reproved us when we had been worshipping of thee O Lord as we thought in breaking bread and drinking wine and preaching and praying and the like which we verily believed had been thy ordinances and appointments and when we were troubled in our spirits and minds after such exercises as these we looked upon it as the temptation of the Devil and did not know it to be Gods witness in our Consciences or his Spirit striving with us to bring us to silence that so we might know the dumb to speak and the Spirit of the Lord to move and stir and guide in us and we in all things to be led by it and so in all we did feel Gods acceptance by the Testimony of his Spirit in us even the Spirit it self bearing witnesse with our spirits that we were Gods Children and the Spirit of truth to lead us into all truth that so by it we might witness freedom from the inward troubles of our minds and spirits and the accusings of Gods witness in our Consciences and so be made free and perfect as pertaining to the Conscience by the blood of Christ which is onely known and felt in his light as the Scripture saith 1 John 1.7 If we walk in the light as he is in the light we have fellowship one with another and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin But we looked on that of God in our Consciences to be too low and of the reliques of the old Adam or something of the Law but we looked upon our selves as not being under the Law but under grace and so judged our selves in Christ and when we were at
one onely one is translated into English and the other is left in Greek untranflated And so whilst thou saist thou dost not know that any Scripture calls it Christs washing or baptism confesses and calls it inward washing thy self so that by thy own confession there is no more difference between the inward washing and cleansing by the Spirit and Christs baptism then there is between baptizing in Greek and washing in English which is all one and the word baptism might as well have been translated washing in all places of the Scripture as in one place had it not made for the upholding of the Trade of the Translators and for the continuing of much idolatry and ignorance in the world and whereas thou sayest it is not called Christs Baptism what Baptism was that the Apostles speak of 1 Cor. 12.13 For by one spirit are we all baptized into one body whether we be Jews or Gentiles and what Baptism was that which Paul speaks of Rom. 6.3 4. by which they were baptized into Christ and into his death and were buried with Christ by Baptism and by it planted into the likeness of his death whereby they knew that the old man was crucified with him that the body of sin might be destroyed that henceforth they might not serve sin for he that was thus dead and buried with Christ was free from sin which your water doth not do nay do not you who are washed with water plead against freedom from sin and say it is not attainable in this world and therefore it is strongly to be suspected that as your Baptism is wrong so is your faith also seeing the Scripture saith as many as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ and put off the old man with his deeds by being planted into the likeness of his death and by being buried with him by Baptism and in the 1 Cor. 6.11 where the Apostle saith they were washed and sanctified and justified by the spirit c. what difference is there by being washed or cleansed by the spirit and by being baptized by the spirit seeing washing and Baptizing is all one and if thou wert come to the full assurance of faith and knewest what it was to have thy heart sprinkled from an evil conscience then thou wouldst know what that pure water was with wch the Saints had their bodies washed Heb. 10.22 But thou concludest that Christs Baptism is not now in being because those tongues and miracles thou speaks of are not in being that thou know of and so justifies thy self that the one baptism is meant water baptism Christs baptism or the Baptism of the spirit was some extraordinary thing and was to confer upon them a larger measure of gifts fitting then to spread the Gospel c. and therefore one principal gift bestowed by that Baptism was the gift of tongues to this I spake before about fire Baptism as in Acts the second and saith other places both before in the sixth page and now but names none by which I conclude thou hast no place to prove the Holy Ghosts Baptism thou speaks of but that of Acts 2. and what ground thou hast to call that fire Christs Baptism or the Baptism promised that Christ should come withal I know not since there is not one word in that second of the Acts at the beginning that speaks of Baptism where it is said there came a sound from Heaven as of a rushing mighty wind and it filled all the house where they were sitting And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire and it sate upon each of them and they were all filled with the Ghost and began to speak with other tongues as the spirit gave them utterance Where is this called the Baptism of Christ or the Baptism of the Holy Ghost the word Baptism is no more named here neither in Greek nor English and yet this thou wouldst have by all means to be the only Baptism of the Holy Ghost promised and some other places where both the word Baptism in Greek and the word washing in English is spoken off must not be the Baptism of the spirit that was promised and was to continue when outward water was to cease but why should thou speak of miracles and tongues so much seeing tongues were for a sign not for them which believed but for them which believed not and thou accounts thy self a believer 1 Cor. 14.22 But James Pope why dost thou seem to grant inward washing and cleansing by the spirit to be a washing or Baptism of the spirit seeing thou hast spent so much time to prove inward washing and cleansing to be none of the spirits baptism and yet sums up the query thy self in these words whether the Baptism of water or the inward washing and cleansing by the spirit be the one Baptism which Paul writs of or why writs he but of one if both must be continued to which thou grants both must be continued and yet saith it is water Baptism he writs of So that thou seems to grant what thou wouldst deny and to deny what thou wouldst grant but thou art in a strait and truth is too hard for thee for if thou grant the spirits Baptism to continue then thy water Baptism must down because there is but one and therefore of the two thou hadst rather the spirits Baptism should cease then thine and yet if thou should deny inward baptizing or cleansing to be out of use then thou wert no Christian and therefore thou hast sowed as good a covering together as fig leaves will make to hide thy nakedness withal and to save thy water Baptism and thinks to do it by calling inward baptizing with the Holy Ghost inward cleansing and washing by the spirit and so sets up two words to contend each with other whilst thou thereby thinkest to amaze the Reader that thou may escape with thy water to be the one Baptism that is to continue and yet in thy first answer saith both must continue inward Baptism because no entrance into the Kingdom without it and water must continue because it is Christs Ordinance fitted to the New Testament as Circumcision was to the Old In thy next Book James prove it an Ordinance commanded by Christ to be practiced after his Ascention in plain words and not by an invented consequence least you are found guilty of that for which you condemned the Priests of England viz. for proving their Baptism by a consequence and will not this be much to your shame to have your Commision to prove by a consequence and not by plain and positive Scripture for a Commissioner by consequence onely is no Commissioner But James me thinks thou comes too near the Priests of England in bringing Circumcision and Baptism together dost thou not lay thy self open to some disadvantage in this was one Ordinance a type of another or one figure a type of another figure what confusion is here is not this Priests
inventions to make void Christs commands is not the washing of the spirit the true and proper washing or is the figure in thy esteem become proper and substantial and the substance and truth become Metaphorical and not proper and is the washing away the filth of the flesh preferred before the answer of a good conscience by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ and so that by thee is called not proper which is most proper and that Metaphorically which is true substantial and real for whatsoever is spiritually so is more so then that which is naturally so and that which is most real and true is most proper but herein thou apparently manifests thy ignorance of the true and proper Baptism like those who had Johns washing but knew not whether there were any Holy Ghost or not Acts 19. mayest thou not as well say that Christs blood and Christs flesh which except a man eat and drink he hath no life in him is Metaphorical and not proper though Christ saith his blood is drink indeed and his flesh is meat indeed and nourishes up to eternal life and is most proper food for the children but is not this as improper in thy judgement though Christ saith it is meat indeed mark indeed not as thou sayest of his Baptism but properly substantially and indeed but is not this as hard a saying now to many who say they are Disciples as it was of old and because of these hard sayings have not many Disciples gone back and walked no more with him Joh. 6.60 66. Again thou sayest the Baptism intended by Paul Ephes 4.5 is distinguished in the same place from faith by which God purifieth the heart Acts 15.9 and Mark 19.16 and there is no such chapter nor verse which is the inward washing and cleansing by the spirit Here thou grants again what thou seems to dispute against which is sayest thou the inward washing and cleansing by the spirit so that all that thou contends against is the word baptizing or Baptism where as thou cals it washing by the spirit but denyes it to be baptizing by the spirit so confesses it in English but denyes it in Greek but thou sayest it is distinguished from faith which washes and therefore not the spirits baptizing or washing and yet calls it thy self the inward washing by the spirit so thou art but as one that fights with thy own shadow But is not thy confusion manifest to all whose eyes are open is not this thy reason that thou gives why that baptism is not meant the spirits baptism because distinguished from faith which washes c. is not this reason as strong against the spirit and against the hope and against the one Lord and one God as against the Baptism are not all these distinguished by name though all one in nature and kind or is the Lord not God because distinguished by name and is not the spirit God because distinguished there by name and is the hope not Christ because distinguished what non-sence and confusion is here is the one baptism or one washing that is so nearly coupled to the one spirit one Lord and one God and one hope and one faith not the true or proper Baptism or washing of the spirit because distinguished from such which washes and purifies is not by the same reason the one hope which purifies not the true and spiritual hope because it is distinguished from faith which purifies and by the same reason the one spirit is not the true spirit because distinguished from faith and hope which purifies and washes as 1 Cor. 6 11. washed by the spirit but in this Argument also as well as others is not thy folly made manifest to all men that reads with understanding are all these things different in nature because distinguished by name what ignorance is this doth not thy own Argument make against thy self and thy water Baptism viz. because faith and hope and the spirit and Lord and God and Baptism are onely distinguished by name and not divided in nature or kind therefore it must needs be intended the Baptism of the spirit all these names being spiritual and onely distinguished but not divided in nature and kind is to speak of a spiritual and inward hope and a spiritual and inward faith and a spiritual and inward Lord and God above all and through all and in you all and then should thrust in in the midst of this inward and spiritual unity an outward visible water which onely washes away the filth of the flesh outwardly is not this to set up and to prefer your water and couple it with and make it equal to the one Lord the one faith the one God and one spirit and to make the want of outward water and washing to be a breach of the union with the one Lord and one God and one faith and so he that is not outwardly washed with outward water is out of the unity with the one spirit one Lord and the one God for if any of these particulars be wanting the union is not compleat but broken and therefore he that hath not the true hope in him is not in the unity of the spirit and he that hath not the true and one faith hath not unity with God nor Christ and so he that hath not the one Baptism hath not the one Lord nor the one God for none of these may be spared without the breach of the union in the whole for he that hath one of these hath all these for they are in unity together and unites all as with a bond of Peace where they are enjoyed So that thou James Pope hast at once by thy saying this one Baptism is outward water and washing condemned all the children of the Lord that are not so baptized with outward water as being out of the unity of the spirit and out of the unity with the one Lord and one God and so no salvation for them is not this to set up another Saviour or to bring in an outward corruptible creature and set it upon the throne by the Creator and so make outward washing with water to be the key to let into the Kingdom of God and unity of the spirit and without it no union with God or Christ or the spirit and so no salvation therefore said I not truely thou wast not willing to part with thy water so but like Micah Judges the 18.24 might well cry out you have taken away my gods and what have I more and why do you ask me what aileth me so now it is no wonder you cry out so much for your water seeing you joyn it so close to the one faith one Lord and the one God that if it be wanting unity with God is not known and so this is agreeable to what some have Printed that without water Baptism no salvation and is not this to make another door then Christ and another way then Christ and how much short of this thou hast
any time troubled in our Consciences we presently called some Promise or other to mind in the Scripture or thought of some comfortable Text and so slighted the light in our Consciences as not to be heeded or regarded as to receive and witness Justification from all sin and trouble in and by it but looked upon our selves as Elected in Christ before the world and that we had known a time when he called us by his Grace in the use of Ordinances and spake peace to us afterward by his Spirit in the Scripture applying some Promise to us and having learned and known these things we believe we can never fall totally for once in Christ and ever in Christ and the Elect cannot be deceived and we believe our selves Elected and Justified by Christ without us before we had committed one sin in our own persons for Justification is but one intire act and is perfect but our Sanctification is gradual and imperfect and Salvation is not works least any man should boast but of grace freely and so we never mind much what is in us we know there is enough in Christ and for our sins they cannot separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus and our holiness or righteousness though we be never so strict commends us not to God for if we be Elected our sins shall not destroy or damne us and if we be reprobated by God our righteousness or strictness in holiness cannot help us or save us and so all our comfort is in a Christ without us and in what he hath done for us already but for any thing in us that is spiritual or for Christ to be in us formed there and to dwell and inhabit there and we to feel him and know his voice and to be silent until he speak in us and to be justified by his Spirit in us and for him to work all our works in us and for us and we to be justified by him who works in us and not for our works is that which we looked upon as legal and dangerous to be led and guided and justified and sanctified by Christ in us the Hope of all our Glory this we thought not spiritual enough nor our carnal minds liked not to have all within but rather to have sin within and Christ without and lusts within but righteousness without and Hell within but Heaven without and vanity and filthiness present but happiness and blessedness to come hereafter but the light which shined in our hearts and lets us see the thoughts and intents thereof we believed not in for that to give us the knowledge of the light of the Glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ but looked to get knowledge faster then that would give us it and surer then the knowledge that came that way by our running to the Scriptures and other good books by reading of them and by setting ourselves to observe what we read there looking upon the Scriptures to be the foundation of Faith and the rule of Life and what we get out there we account true knowledge and by reading of that we can be rich quickly and wise to dispute and to answer gain-sayers and our building is according to that and built upon that foundation but for the light that shines in our hearts to wait upon God in that to be taught by him and to hear his voice and to see his shape is a tedious painful flow and uncertain way of getting knowledge and that which hath no delight in it but is a narrow way and a strait gate to walk in and enter by and takes up the whole minds of those that are guided by it and walk in it that they can mind nothing else and makes them such fools that all wise men scoff at them to see how they walk up and down as if they cared for nothing and were grown strangers to the world and had no fellowship with it but kept out of all its customs and wayes and fashions as if they were redeemed out of it while they walk up and down in it but this way we like not but rather a zeal for outward Ordinances and outward Observances and to be somewhat strict in them we like pritty well so that we may be kept in our wisdoms and understandings which are natural and not have them confounded nor brought to nothing but still remain in that nature in which we can live at ease in the flesh and have felowship with the world and conform to their customs and be made partakers of their honours and flattering titles and have our thoughts at liberty and our tongues our own and this Religion we like well but for to have all within like those foolish bewitched people called Quakers we like not and for their wayes had we thought them to have been spiritual enough and conformable enough to the Scriptures of truth we would not have despised them but we account them fools for being so strict and our selves wise for taking our ease and pleasure while we may have it and yet go to Heaven when we dye before them and for to enjoy any great matter in our hearts in this life we look not for it if we can but keep our Consciences quiet it is enough for us when the Messias comes which is called Christ he will tell us all things and we look for his personal coming and then it shall be glorious times then we shall known all things And so by what I have said thou maist know an answer to thy Query and also to that which thou saist may seem a digression but craves to be favoured in it onely to thy last words of Exhortation in which thou exhorts all to hearken to the voice of Christ in the Gospel in this day of Grace c. I have this to say Christs voice is not heard but in the light nor the Gospel is not known but in the light though Matthew Mark Luke and John's writings may be read and remembred by him or them that are in darkness and yet the Gospel hid and here they may be lost because their minds are blinded in them by the god of this world who hath the glory of this world to give unto men that so he might keep the eye of their minds shut least with it they should see the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ the Image of God and it should shine into them and they be converted and then the Gospel which once was hid becomes the Gospel of their Salvation and Christ Gods Image such comes to know and bear in the world and such Preach not themselves but Christ Jesus the Lord and themselves servants for Jesus sake for God who commanded light to shine out of darkness hath shined into their hearts to give them the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in Christ Jesus 2 Cor. 4.4 5 6. And such know how they come by their knowledge for the light gave it them and they