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A81396 Christ exalted, and alone worthy to open the seals of the book. And the scriptures owned in their place. A true testimony of him, as is manifest, in answer to a book, intituled, The Quakers apostacy, from the perfect rule of scriptures. Given forth by John Timson, of Great Bowden in Leicestershire. And the deceits and blasphemies he charges upon the Quakers, is turned upon his own head, and he found guilty of what he reproaches them with, in what is written for the simples sake, and truth to clear from false accusations and lyes cast upon it. And the ten queries he saith he vindicateth, and would print but foure of them, they are all published, with the answers that he charges to be confused, dark and deceitfull, that the answers may witnesse for themselves against what is charged upon them. He that hath an understanding in the light, read and judge. / William Dewsberry. Dewsbury, William, 1621-1688. 1656 (1656) Wing D1258; Thomason E891_6; ESTC R206512 24,367 32

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to reforme them and draw them up to a higher pitch of Christian obedience according to the written word of the Lord. Ans Thou with all who are in the light is seen to be in thy wisedome querying after many lights but as is formerly written in answer to thy 4. Quest the●e is but one true light Christ who lighteth every one that comes into the world and all his ministers turnes the mindes of people from darknesse to Christ the true light in it to waite on him for his power to destroy the power of Satan and to lead in the straite narrow way of self denyal and the daily Crosse which is the way into the Kingdome of God who ever will be my Disciple saith Christ he must deny himself and take up his Crosse daily and follow me Luke 19. 23. 7. Qu. Whether a sinner condemned by the Law is made just before God unto eternall life by an inherent power within or worke of Sanctification or whether by the satisfaction and suffering of Christ in mans nature and behalfe rested on by faith Ans The Creature whose Conscience is awakened by the light the righteous Law of God in the heart which shews it its sinfull state and stands condemned before the Throne of God for disobeying the light shall never be justified by any self righteousnesse for it is uncleannesse in the sight of God for justification is through faith in the Lord Jesus but this faith which layes hold on Christ for justification is not attained by any power the creature hath of its self neither can any know it who receive honor one of another Joh. 5. 44. How can ye beleeve who receive honor one of another and seek not the honor that comes from God onely faith is the gift of God given to the Children of light who waits in the light on the Lord in the way of his judgements Isa 26. 8. till judgement be brought forth into victory that the creature be brought into true poverty of spirit for ever to perish without free redemption in the Lord Jesus which the father in his appointed time reveales the son to the soule that stands condemned before him and by the arme of his mighty power creates it to a lively hope and he that hath this hope in him purifieth himself even as he is pure so whom he justifieth he sanctifieth and he that saith he is justified and liveth in sin deceiveth himself for faith purifieth the heart and purgeth the Conscience from dead works to serve the liveing God which is witnessed in the Children of light according to testimony of Scripture Heb. 9. 14. 8. Qu. Whether the person or essence of Christ or his spirit dwell in any upon earth or whether by his gifts and graces onely or whether all those that have Christ in them must forsake all outward teaching of men and whether the Scripture be but a dead letter and of no use otherwaies then Christ within doth witnesse unto them Ans He that knows not Christ to be in him is a reprobate for he that hath not the Spirit of Christ is none of his and he that is guided by the spirit of Christ needs not any teaching of man for you shall not neede to teach one another for all my Children shall be taught of me saith the Lord God and the Scripture is but a killing letter but of use in its place d testimony of Christ but not any knows Christ by it for Christ is known by the light of his spirit which gave forth the Scriptures and all that are guided by his spirit knows the Scripture in the truth as it is in Jesus ●ph 4. 21. 9. Qu. Whether the conversion that was wrought upon the souls of many under the ordinary outward ministry of the word in our publique assembles turning men from darknesse to light from prophanesse to true Godlinesse be true unto salvation and whether those that have been thus converted were in the state of salvation before they joyned themselves unto your society or whether can none be converted and saved that never came under nor gave their assent to the dispensation of your way and how you will justifye yours to be in the true and good old way that all have and shall be saved in you may do well to make it out by some evident demonstration Ans Who can witnesse a true conversion by the power of the spirit of God in turning their mindes from darknesse to light that comes from Christ and in his light waite to receive the sentence of death in themselves to destroy all self confidence in any thing below Christ and in the state of death to wait till that they heare the voice of the Son of God and by his power was raised up to a liveing hope in Christ to walk who throw his blood do witnesse their garments washed and made white to reigne Kings and Preists upon the earth for ever to worship the father in spirit and truth and who ever can witnesse this conversion whether it were wrought when they frequented your publique assemblies or absented from them this conversion we owne who it can witnesse and of our way they are and will to us come and all shall know the truth we witnesse is the good old way that all souls that came to God walked in Christ the way the truth and the life the ancient of daies which was before time but manifest in time in all the Children of light who doth them lead in the narrow way of self denial and the daily Cross with him to enter thorow the strait gate into the holy City new Jerusalem where the soule hath union which the father of light and beholds his face and his name is written in their foreheads and there is no night there neither need of Candle nor light of the Sun for the Lord God giveth them light and they shall reigne for ever and ever Rev. 22. 5. 10. Whether any of your way attaine unto perfection in this life that they can truly say that they do all that God commands without failing either in matter or in manner of obedience no not in thought word and deed and whether the persons of any stand just before God that are not thus perfect Ans All that are in the way we are in which is Christ the way to the Father in whom all in their measure are pressing on to the fulness of stature in Christ the perfect man and who in him is grown to the fulnesse of stature in his power doth stand which doth them guide that in their mouthes is found no guile for they are without fault before the Throne of God Rev. 14. 5. FINIS
witnesse against thy false accusations and revileings which thou hast filled thy Book withall As in the 14. and 15. Pa Speaking to them thou calls friends whom thou sayst is seduced and thou declares that those whom thou charges with seducing them doth teach them to cease from all religious duties of commanded worship without scruple or checke of Conscience before they can enjoy God or be taught immediately what to do first put out the true light and power of Conscience to do his office by de spising the means of enlightning and convincing it to act in the soul and then resolves to follow the immediate commands of Conscience without questioning the Author of those Lawes at all Reply Thy accusation is fals we do not teach any to cease from all religious duties of commanded worship neither put out the true light we teach all to be obedient to the commands of God who saith this is my beloved Son in whom I am wel-pleased hear him Mat. 17. 5. And we bear testimony of him that he is the true light that lighteth every one that comes into the world Joh. 1. 9. and convinces the world of sin Righteousnesse and Judgement Joh. 16. 8. and he alone commands in the Conscience for God and is the Author of the perfect Law handed in the hand of a mediator to whom we exhort all to be subject and in whom all the Children of light walk Col. 2. 6. And for thy expressing a depth of deceit and delusion which thou charges upon us which is found in thy self who hath made lyes thy refuge to slander the innocent which is further manifest in thy 16. Pa. Thou sayst we take no notice of Scripture authority as if they were altogether out of date which false accusation is witnessed against in what is returned in answer to the preface of thy Book And in the 17. and 18. Pa. thou charges us with impudent foreheads to make a shew of one thing and intend another purposely minded to deceive and yet they tell us often that as they write so they meane and speak the truth in plainesse most horrible hypocrisy and deceit which nothing but a lying and a knavish head dare goe about to excuse c. And all those unsavory words as before written wherein thou sayst we have discovered to purpose the deceit of our answer in saying the revelations of Christ are according to Scripture and where the new Covenant is witnest the law is written in the heart and the witnesse and testimony of Jesus within bearing witnesse with our spirits that we are the Sons of God Reply Doing any thing of purpose to deceive through hypocrisye or knavish heads we deny and in the presence of God we speak the truth in plainesse and doe witnesse there is no deceit in saying the revelations of Christ are according to Scripture and all in the new Covenant do know the law of God written in their hearts and the witnesse or testimony of Jesus within 1 Jo. 5. 10. bearing witnesse with their spirits that they are the Children of God Ro. 8. 16. and this declared is neither deceitfull nor knavish which is the unsavory words thou charges on us let the truth of God in all Consciences judge to whom they belong the Scriptures we are not against they bear testimony of Christ the light whom we witnesse the way to the father Mat. 1. 27. None knows the father but the Son and he to whom the Son will reveale him by the revelation of the Spirit of God is the things of God knowne to his people 1 Cor. 2. 9. 10. 13. Ro. 8. 11. 16. according as is recorded we witnesse the Scriptures fulfilled in Christ the light who is our life Col. 3. 3. 4. And whereas thou queries did ever any read of the law and testimony in the heart and that the law and testimony in the heart is the law of the new Covenant Reply Who hath read the Scripture in the fear of God hath read what the Lord hath promised as declared Isa 8. 16. Bind up the testimony seal the law among my Disciples and Jer. 31. 33. This shall be the Covenant I will make with the house of Israel in those daies saith the Lord I will put my Lawes in their inward parts and write it in their hearts Heb. 8. 10 11 12. and the law written in the heart we witnesse and the Lord faithful in performing according to his Promise in the new Covenant And thou goes on in the 19. and 20. Pa calling us impostors and pervertors of the new Covenant and to be in Idle proud fancyes and itching humors of our owne brains in our Apostate Condition Reply We in the light can bear thy reproach and have witnessed the truth that it may stand a witnesse against thy revileings and in the Lord we rest who will make manifest whether thou or we be the perverters of the new Covenant and guilty of what thou charges us with And whereas thou in the 22. Pa. sayes that W. Dewesberry tells us that the mighty day of the Lord is appeared in the North of England and is riseing towards the South and shall overspread this Nation and all the Natious of the world c. what the mans fancy and designe is in bruiting and makeing such a noise of the appearance of the mighty day of the Lord judge ye I am sure he hath sufficiently discovered his owne folly in blazing abroad such dreams of his owne lying heart c. Reply In thy 2. Pa. thou hath enlarged thy self concerning that Book calling it a lying paper c. and the truth is witnessed in answer to thy charge and this in answer to what is here written fancies bruitishnesse folly dreams and lyes W. Deusberry denys the truth he hath declared as the Lord hath him moved in faithfullnesse to the souls of all people that they be not found the sloathfull servants putting the day of the Lord a farr off in this his day wherein the houre of his righteous judgement is come Rev. 14. 7. to all that wait on him the truth is declared that all men may prepare in the light the Lord to meet and no longer in sloathfulnesse remain least he come upon them as a theife in the night and if the day of the Lord do not arise over all the world and the kingdoms of the world become the kingdomes of our Lord and his Christ and the Lord performe not as is declared then say the Lord harh not spoken by me who is known to the world by name William Dewsberry And in the 22. Pa. thou says we have set our selves in the Throne of Christ judging the whole world Reply Thy accusation is false self we deny to Christ we are snbject who sits on his Throne and is come and comeing in his Saints to judge the world Jude 14 15. 1 Cor. 6. 2. and 2. 5. And in the 23. Pa. thou sayst why do not we command the dead to rise
are known and no such thing is in our Books as thou falsely charges us with and would make people believe is written therein in giving the sence of our words in thy dark mind and for the Simples sake an answer is returned to clear the truth of God in what he hath given out by his spirit both in word and writing and whether thou wilt receive it yea or nay thou shalt know and all others that Christ is the authority of the Scripture and when he spoke them forth he spake as one having authority and not as a Scribe who in his light walk cannot be perswaded to turn from him by any lyes and reproaches thou can cast upon them who sayst we are wholly turned from the truth which against thee witnesse it is not so let God be judge and in his day make manifest what we are in whose will we rest as moved of him to witnesse against the falshoods thou hast further charged upon us in what followeth Thou hast not done justly nor honestly in that thou hast not Printed the questions as given forth by thee and answers as returned by us and in an answer to what is of thee required to prove the charge thou charges us withall in thy reply to the answer to the first Question and the false accusations lyes and slanders is not proved in all thou hast writ The one baptisme we owne Eph. 4. 5. and the watch in the Church we owne in the spirit of life which in order doth keepe in obedience to the pure God who is the God of order and not of confusion but keeps his Children in himself purely to live according to what is pro●est Further thou goes on and queries what proofe would we have is it not our owne prophane language both in papers and conference it is no ne●es to hear most of their way dispute against water Baptism the Lords Supper a settled fixed Ministry over particular Churches and queries further what Quakers administer water baptisme the Lords Supper and constantly watches over a particular flock or else for shame thou sayst we must own the charge and confesse our sin in telling the world these are thy lying slanders Reply Prophane Language we deny and shadowes and figures we witnesse done away the substance being come water baptism was in its time a figure of the substance as John witnesses to whom that dispensation was committed Mat. 3. 11. I indeed baptize with water unto Repentance but he that comes after me is mightier then I whose sh●●es I am not worthy to bear he shall baptize you with the Holy ghost and with fire And Johns baptisme we deny to be in force he did decrease and Christ must increase whose baptisme we own according as is recorded in the Scripture of truth and since he ascended there is no Scripture doth witnesse his sending any to baptize with water Paul who was sent after he ascended what he did in the liberty given him his liberty he knew when he circumscised Timothy and baptized Crispus and Gaius and the household of St●phanus besides I know not th●t I baptized any other saith Paul for Christ sent me not to baptize but to preach the Gospel not with wisedome of words least the crosse of Christ should be of none effect 1 Cor. 1. 16 17. And John who bare record of the word of the word of God and testimony of Jesus Christ Rev. 14. 6. saith I saw an Angel in the midst of Heaven having the everlasting Gospel to preach to them that dwell in the earth and to every Nation and Kindred tongue and People John did not say he did fly through the midst of heaven preaching the everlasting Gospel and baptizing with water we know John faithfull in his testimony of Jesus Christ who is now revealed and the Angell is come and the Gospel preached and the shadowes done away And Bread and Wine were the Supper of the Lord in the dispensation of time a figure of his death which were fulfilled when he had suffered and rose again and now he is known to stand at the door and knock if any man heare my voice and open the door I will come in and Sup with him and he with me saith Christ Rev. 3. 20. And we being many are one bread and one body c. 1 Cor. 10. 17. and knows the wine renewed in our fathers Kingdome Christ the substance we now witnesse shadows and figures done away he that can receive it let him And the Churches set up by the will of man we deny and the fixed ministry set up over them by the will of man that watch for the fleece beare rule by their means and seeks their gain from their quarter these we deny Jer. 5. 31. Isa 56. 11. And those in scorn called Quakers doth watch over the flock of God every one as the Lord them calls and not for filthy lucre as the Priests that bear rule by their means do neither by constraint but of a ready minde 1 Pet. 5. 2. in obedience to the spirit of the Lord as he them moves and thy slanders thou hast not yet proved our conscience doth witnesse it that what thou hast accused us with is a lye and not the truth And thou further sayes that Will. Deusberry in a lying paper as thou calls it which is entituled A true prophecy of the mighty day of the Lord already risen in the North of England c. in which paper he makes it his worke to slander the Ordinances of Gospel worship under the notion of outward observations which Christs Kingdome comes not in Luke 17. 20. and thus he accounts of all the ordinances and institutions prescribed by Christ himselfe in the Apostolical Churches and accounts all the strict observing of outward formes of worship is but immitating the Saints practices in their Babilonish and heathenish wisedome all these outward forms is the outward Court without the temple Pa. 1. 2. Reply The lye will be found in thy owne mouth in calling that a lying paper a true prophecy it is of the mighty day of the Lord and for thy saying William Deusberry makes it his worke c. as before written thy charge is false and the truth is witnessed against vain man who in his dark minde seeks the Kingdome of God in observations where it comes not Luke 17. 20. neither shall men say loe here or loe there he called by name as before written doth witnesse they are not the Ordinances of Christ according as is declared of them they will be found and made manifest to the shame and confusion of their face who in their owne wisedome immitates the Saints practices in forme which they did practice in life and power in the dispensation of time they served their generation in the manifestation of the spirit according to the will of God And whereas thou sayst in the 4 Pa. it is more clear that he prophanely compares the holy ordinances and institutions of the
not any can be saved by what they doe in their own wills all that is done in that nature is abomination to God as is plain in the Answer to what thou hast writ in the 70 Page It is not of him that willeth nor of him that runneth but of God that shewes mercy Rom. 9. 16. which he makes manifest in the riches of his grace in Christ the light who leads all that obey him in the strait way of self-deniall and the daily crosse in obedience to the will of God which is our sanctification And he that sanctifieth and they that are sanctified are one Heb. 2. 4. 1 Thess 4. 31. He that can receive it let him For the truths sake that the simple be not turned out of the way by the false accusations reproaches and aspersions thou hast cast upon it what is before written in Answer to thee the truth doth clear and the Answer to thy ten Questions which thou charges to be deceitfull that they may witnesse for themselves against what thou hast cast upon them that all that desire to know the truth may them read The Questions and Answers are as followeth 1 Qu. Whether the writings of the Scriptures are a declaration of the Holy will and mind of God that necessarily oblige the servants of God that professe them to believe and observe whatever is revealed therein to be believed and done and whether the Scripture alone be a perfect Rule of faith and life unto all of years amongst us yea or nay Ans The Scriptures is a true declaration of the things believed amongst the Saints and a true testimony of Jesus Christ but not any doth them know neither can believe what is written therein by the outward declaration and testimony of Scripture but by the word of Faith which is in the heart and in the mouth which is the word of Faith which we Preach Rom. 10. 7 8. 2 Qu. Whether any other Revelations and Observations not to be found in the Scripture be binding to the consciences of those persons that have the benefit of the Scripture or whether such revelations or dictates within a mans heart and soul be as binding to the conscience and to be urged to a mans self or others as the Scriptures are Ans The revelations of Jesus Christ is according to Scripture which Revelations binds up the Testimony and seals the Law in the hearts of his Disciples and what dictates is in the conscience or heart of man contrary to the Law and Testimony is not to be regarded but disowned and judged with the light which comes from Christ the Saints life who guides them in a pure life and holy conversation according to Scripture Isa 8. 20. 3 Qu. Whether any thing besides the Scripture is constituted of the blessed God to reveal Christ as Redeemer and Saviour to the spirit of miserable lost man to bring man unto happinesse or whether corrupt man without the knowledge of Scripture may ordinarily attain unto salvation yea or nay Ans No man can come to the Son any other way but whom the Father draweth by the power of his unlimited Spirit and never any shall know the Father but he to whom the Son reveals him and he that thinks to attain the way to eternall life by reading the letter of the Scripture and regards not the light that comes from Christ that witnesseth for God in the secret of the heart and conscience he deceives himself for the mystery of eternall life is sealed up in the sealed Book from all the Sons and Daughters of men and none shall ever know it by the outward testimony of Scripture but by the inspiration of the Spirit of Jesus Christ the Lyon of the Tribe of Judah who is found worthy to open the seals of the Book and is the way the truth and the life to all that in his light wait his power them to guide in faithfull obedience to the righteous and perfect Law of God written in the heart for the exercise of the conscience which keeps them void of offence towards God and towards men according to testimony of Scripture Acts 24. 16. 23. 1. 4 Qu. Whether that light of conscience which is more or lesse in all since the fall be the remains or some reliques left of the first Adam in reference to the Covenant of works or whether common to all from the redemption of the second Adam as flowing from the Covenant of grace or how else I desire you would clearly expresse your thoughts in this Ans Man in the fallen estate hath not any light remains in him to guide him to doe any thing well pleasing to God as he stands in the state of corrupt nature for all his righteousnesse is as filthy rags and as a menstruous cloth the light that convinceth man and woman of the evill of their hearts and discovers the filthinesse of all their own righteousnesse is the light that comes from Christ the true light that lighteth every man that comes into the world John 1. 9. And this light is not common to man by nature it is the great gift of God his grace that hath appeared and teacheth all that are guided by it to deny all ungodlinesse and worldly lusts and to live godily and soberly in this present evill world and all that walk contrary to the light this is their condemnation the light John 3. 19. 5 Qu. Whether the end of God in giving and continuing this kind of light to all men in the world was not to be a restraint and curb to the exorbitant lusts of so corrupt a creature as man and so made subservant to God in the Government of the world in order to the peace and continuance of the same and to leave all without excuse Or what besides this the end of God was that this kind of light should be minded and improved according to the power of man by what he is from creation or universall grace or redemption in order to eternall happinesse and the not heeding this light in all men shall be the only condemnation of the world Or whether this light be the Gospel or Christ or his Spirit or whether it be a light either equall with or inferiour to or of a different kind with the Scriptures Ans The light which comes from Christ is given of God to guide the creature out of its own strength and power to Christ the mighty power and wisedome of God the creature to guide with moderation in the use of all creatures and to order and govern the creation to the praise and glory of God And this light is of the pure nature of God and leads to Christ the everlasting Gospel And this is the condemnation of the world that hates the light which comes from Christ because they believe not in him John 3. 18. 6. Qu. Whether the light of Conscience the light of Scripture the light of providence the light of grace ought not to be prest upon all