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assert_v that_o to_o limit_v the_o censure_n of_o excommunication_n the_o like_a may_v be_v say_v of_o suspension_n and_o deposition_n of_o minister_n and_o other_o censure_n in_o matter_n of_o opinion_n to_o the_o common_a and_o uncontroverted_a principle_n and_o in_o the_o matter_n of_o manner_n to_o the_o common_a and_o universal_a practice_n of_o christianity_n and_o in_o both_o to_o the_o party_n know_a light_n be_v the_o dangerous_a doctrine_n of_o the_o arminian_o and_o socinian_o etc._n etc._n to_o this_o we_o add_v a_o further_a consideration_n of_o that_o objection_n mention_v before_o how_o judicatories_n can_v without_o wrong_v christian_a liberty_n inflict_v censure_n or_o put_v man_n to_o suffer_v who_o profess_v that_o after_o examination_n of_o the_o decree_n or_o constitution_n they_o can_v be_v persuade_v of_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o the_o same_o to_o this_o beside_o what_o be_v before_o mark_v further_o answer_n be_v give_v by_o mr._n gillespie_n in_o his_o 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suffer_v most_o however_o all_o these_o inconvenience_n may_v easy_o be_v help_v by_o a_o union_n if_o they_o have_v not_o the_o humour_n to_o force_v themselves_o upon_o the_o conscience_n of_o minister_n and_o people_n whether_o they_o will_v or_o not_o 7._o albeit_o whatever_o may_v be_v say_v of_o these_o sentence_n we_o be_v content_a they_o shall_v be_v taken-off_a in_o such_o a_o way_n as_o may_v not_o bind_v upon_o they_o the_o acknowledgement_n of_o the_o two_o late_a assembly_n or_o of_o the_o lawfulness_n and_o justice_n of_o these_o censure_n yet_o that_o do_v not_o please_v they_o see_v the_o censure_n be_v not_o to_o be_v declare_v void_a and_o null_a which_o as_o themselves_o interpret_v the_o meaning_n pag._n 81_o and_o 82._o import_v that_o they_o shall_v be_v declare_v not_o only_o unjust_a sentence_n upon_o the_o matter_n but_o no_o real_a sentence_n as_o proceed_v from_o those_o who_o have_v no_o authority_n and_o if_o this_o be_v a_o equal_a mean_a of_o union_n 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covenant_n or_o a_o divide_n from_o it_o although_o the_o offender_n in_o his_o conscience_n believe_v it_o to_o be_v no_o sin_n yea_o peradventure_o believe_v it_o to_o be_v a_o duty_n otherwise_o it_o have_v be_v tyranny_n over_o the_o conscience_n to_o punish_v those_o who_o kill_v the_o apostle_n because_o they_o think_v they_o be_v do_v god_n good_a service_n joh._n 16.2_o 2._o but_o see_v all_o man_n and_o even_o church-judicatories_a be_v fallible_a let_v it_o be_v suppose_v that_o a_o sentence_n be_v unjust_a and_o be_v it_o still_o remember_v that_o it_o be_v but_o suppose_v and_o not_o yield_v for_o as_o it_o can_v hardly_o be_v imagine_v that_o a_o judge_n will_v pronounce_v a_o sentence_n which_o he_o account_v unjust_a so_o we_o desire_v that_o our_o suppose_v the_o injustice_n of_o their_o sentence_n be_v understand_v without_o any_o prejudice_n to_o judicatories_n right_o in_o maintain_v the_o justice_n of_o their_o own_o sentence_n and_o let_v the_o question_n be_v of_o a_o church_n so_o constitute_v and_o sound_n and_o orthodox_n as_o be_v before_o express_v and_o of_o sentence_n such_o as_o we_o have_v qualify_v for_o the_o matter_n of_o they_o and_o we_o do_v hold_v that_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v submit_v unto_o and_o suffer_v under_o without_o counteracting_a and_o that_o the_o former_a consideration_n press_v submission_n in_o general_a do_v take_v place_n even_o in_o this_o case_n this_o we_o may_v easy_o confirm_v from_o the_o general_a practice_n of_o the_o godly_a in_o all_o age_n and_o particular_o of_o the_o nonconformist_n who_o as_o they_o put_v a_o vast_a difference_n between_o subjection_n and_o obedience_n so_o in_o their_o practice_n they_o do_v cheerful_o suffer_v under_o unjust_a sentence_n and_o do_v vindicate_v the_o aspersion_n cast_v upon_o their_o nonobedience_n by_o their_o readiness_n to_o submit_v and_o suffer_v who_o so_o will_v be_v please_v to_o peruse_v parker_n on_o the_o cross_n chap._n 4._o sect._n 12_o 14_o 15._o will_v find_v they_o be_v so_o far_o from_o own_v non-submission_n to_o these_o unjust_a sentence_n of_o bishop_n for_o their_o nonconformity_n that_o they_o do_v own_o submission_n and_o vindicate_v their_o practice_n in_o submit_v from_o the_o aspersion_n cast_v upon_o they_o for_o it_o and_o do_v encourage_v themselves_o and_o the_o church_n by_o believe_v that_o the_o loss_n of_o their_o ministry_n shall_v be_v the_o lord_n gain_v and_o the_o church_n it_o be_v the_o positive_a judgement_n of_o beza_n as_o we_o hear_v before_o from_o his_o epist_n 12._o that_o godly_a man_n in_o england_n shall_v not_o continue_v to_o preach_v against_o the_o queen_n and_o bishop_n will_v where_o he_o add_v that_o have_v in_o these_o case_n attest_v their_o own_o innocence_n and_o assay_v all_o remedy_n in_o the_o fear_n of_o the_o lord_n they_o shall_v yield_v to_o manifest_a violence_n the_o provincial_n assembly_n of_o south-holland_n meet_v at_o delft_n go_v a_o further_a length_n against_o 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time_n order_n quietness_n and_o peace_n ought_v to_o be_v keep_v in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n for_o god_n be_v not_o the_o god_n of_o confusion_n or_o disorder_n but_o of_o peace_n and_o therefore_o will_v have_v all_o thing_n to_o be_v do_v in_o his_o church_n orderly_o peaceable_o and_o quiet_o now_o there_o can_v be_v no_o order_n nor_o peace_n in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n if_o every_o man_n be_v permit_v to_o teach_v what_o he_o will_v and_o be_v not_o oblige_v to_o give_v a_o account_n of_o his_o doctrine_n nor_o submit_v himself_o to_o the_o judgement_n of_o any_o synod_n according_a to_o the_o precept_n of_o the_o apostle_n 1_o cor._n 14.29.32_o another_o instance_n in_o stead_n of_o many_o be_v the_o judgement_n and_o practice_n of_o these_o author_n of_o the_o treatise_n former_o mention_v against_o the_o brownist_n suffer_v for_o the_o cause_n of_o nonconformity_n they_o be_v challenge_v by_o the_o brownist_n for_o go_v to_o the_o bishop_n court_n for_o stand_v and_o 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