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A49123 Mr. Hales's treatise of schism examined and censured by Thomas Long ... ; to which are added, Mr. Baxter's arguments for conformity, wherein the most material passages of the treatise of schism are answered. Long, Thomas, 1621-1707.; Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. Mr. Baxter's arguments for conformity against separation. 1678 (1678) Wing L2974; ESTC R10056 119,450 354

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licence to preach in his Dominions How Humane Laws bind the Conscience Q. Whether the Laws of men do bind the Conscience Answ p. 37. Taking conscience in a stricter sense as including essentially a relation to God's obligation the full sense of the question is this Whether it be a sin against God to break the laws of man Answ It is a sin against God to break such Laws as Rulers are authorized by God to make First because God commandeth us to obey our Rulers God commandeth us to obey in general and their Law determineth of the particular matter therefore God obligeth us in conscience of his Law to obey them in that particular 2. Because by making them his Officers by his commission he hath given them a certain beam of authority which is Divine as derived from God therefore they can command us by a power derived from God therefore to disobey is to sin against a power derived from God Man being God's officer first his own Law layeth on us an obligation on derivatively Divine for it is no Law which hath no obligation and it is no authoritative obligation which is not derived from God 2. God's own Law bindeth us to obey Man's Laws Romans 13. And it may be a good reason to perswade obedience to our Ecclesiastical Governours because Preaching is a cheap and easie work in comparison of Church-government Take heed of engaging your selves in a Sect or Faction a narrow Sectarian separating mind will make all the truths of God give place to the opinions of his Party and measure the prosperity of the Gospel by the prosperity of his Party he will not stick to persecute all the rest of the Church of Christ if the interest of his Sect require it Overvalue not any private or singular opinions of your own or others for if once spiritual pride and ignorance of your own weakness make you espouse particular opinions as peculiarly your own you will think your conceits more illuminating and necessary than they are as if Mens sincerity lay in the imbracing of them and their Salvation on the receiving of them and think all that are against your opinion deserve to be cast out as enemies to Reformation and perhaps Twenty Years after experience may bring you to your wits and make you see the falshood or smalness of all those points which you made so great a matter of and then what comfort will you have of your persecutions O the deceitfulness of the heart of man Little do the many real Separatists who cry out against Persecution suspect that the same spirit is in them Whence is Persecution but from thinking ill of others and abhorring or not loving them and do not you do so by those whom you causlesly separate from It is one and the same sin in the Persecutor and Divider or Separatist which causeth the one to smite their Brethren and the other to excommunicate them the one to cast them into Prison as Schismaticks and the other to cast them out of the Church as profane the one to account them intolerable in the Land and the other to account them intolerable in the Church the inward thoughts of both are the same that those whom they smite or separate from are bad and unlovely and unfit for better usage But I have observed that Professors of Religion did oppose and deride almost all that worship of God out of pretended conscience which others did out of profaness Saints Rest part 1. c. 7. Sect. 14. It was none of the old cause that the People should have liberty and the Magistrate should have no power in all matters of God's worship faith and conscience And as it is not the old cause so it is not the good cause For first it contradicteth the express revelation of the will of God in the Holy Scripture Moses as a Magistrate had to do in matters of Religion and so had the Kings of Israel and Judah Law and providence are both quite changed if toleration of false worship and other abuses of Religion tend not to the ruine of the Common-wealth If Magistrates must give liberty for all to propagate a false religion then so must Parents and Masters also which would be a crime so horrid in the nature and effects of it as I am loth to name with its proper titles The Magistrates will quickly find that the distractions of the Church will breed and feed such distractions in the Common-wealth as may make them wish they had quenched the fire while it was yet quenchable Our unity is not only our strength but their strength and the fire that begun in the Church may if let alone reach the Court. Pag. 423. of his 5. Disputations he lays down this as the summ of what he had said That Man may determine of modes and circumstances of Worship necessary and commanded in genere but not determined by God in specie Sect. 65. and then infers Sect. 67. If the mischoosing of such circumstances by Church-governors be but an inconvenience and do not destroy the Ordinance it self or frustrate the ends of it we are to obey 1. For he is the Judge in his own work and not we 2. The thing is not sinful though inconvenient 3. Obedience is commanded to our lawful Governors Sect. 70. And when we do obey in a case of miscommanding it is not a doing evil that good may come of it as some do misconceive but it is only a submitting to that which is ill-commanded but not evil in him that doth submit It is the determiner that is the cause of the inconvenience and not the obeyer Nor is it inconvenient for me to obey though it be worse perhaps to him that commandeth while he sinneth in commanding he may make it my duty to obey p. 461. Sect. 6. The reasons of this are obvious and clear even because it is the office of the Governors to determine of such circumstances It is the Pastor's office to guide and over-see the Flock and when he determineth these he is but in his own way and doth but his own work and therefore he is therein the Judge if the case be controvertible If none shall obey a Magistrate or Pastor in the works of their own office as long as they think he did them not the best way all Governours then would be presently overthrown and obedience denyed We are sure that God hath commanded us to obey them that are ever us in the Lord 1 Thess 5. 12. Hebr. 13. 7. 17 c. And therefore a certain duty may not be forborn on uncertain conjectures or upon every miscarriage of them that we owe it to This would un-church all Churches as they are Political Societies for if Pastors be taken down and the work of Pastors the Church is taken down S. 7. And the things in which the Pastor is now supposed to err are not of themselves unlawful but only by such an accident as being
civilized or religious Nations As therefore it is said of the rise of Nile which in plentiful streams spreads it self over Egypt and yet the Origin of it cannot be found that it comes from Heaven so these solemnities of Assemblies and sacred Rites for the Worship of God being found to abound every where and no humane institution can be alledged as the rise of them we may conclude them to flow from Heaven into the Souls and Consciences of Men. But St. Chrysostome on Hebrews 10. asks how God came to command it and he answers by condescending only and submitting himself to humane infirmities which condescension Oecumenius thus expresseth Because men had a conceit that it was convenient to offer up some part of their substance unto God and they were so strongly possessed with this conceit that if they offered it not to him they would have offered it up to Idols God saith he rather than they should offer unto Idols required them to offer unto himself The third Proposition is That it is a result of the Law of Nature that such Societies should have a power to preserve themselves For seeing God nor Nature do any thing in vain and without this power all Societies will soon be dissolved and perish it follows that both by the Law of God and Nature those Societies that are assembled for the Worship of God should have a power to maintain and preserve themselves This Mr. Hales affirms There is a necessity of disproportion or inequality between Men for were all persons equal the World could not subsist Now this inequality and power implie a superiority in some and a subordination in others for par in parem non habet potestatem if every one were left at his own liberty as none could rule so none would obey That therefore there should be both sub and supra is of the same Law of Nature without which there could be no government or order at all either in Civil or Ecclesiastical Societies And seeing as Aristotle observed that the Paternal power was the Original of all Government Pol. l. 1. c. 2. every Father governing his Family both as a Prince and as a Priest in the most ancient times it is evident that both by Nature and Religion there ought to be a sub and supra and if so our Saviour never did nor intended to alter such Laws but to reinforce and to confirm them which that he did hath been already proved However whether this power shall be exercised by one or more Persons and be derived by Succession or applied by election this is to be regulated according to some positive determination either Divine or Humane And if the Law of God or where that is silent which I think it is not in the case of sub and supra in Ecclesiastical officers the Law of Man shall set up one or more Governors for the government of the Church the Persons advanced by such authority ought to have more than a Superiority of Reverence namely of obedience and a willing submission in all lawful and honest commands I conclude therefore with my Author p. 193. Communion is the strength and ground of all Society whether Sacred or Civil whoever therefore they be that offend against this common Society and Friendliness of men and cause separation and breach among them if it be in Civil occasions are guilty of Sedition or Rebellion if it be by Occasion of Ecclesiastical differences they are guilty of Schism And it shall alway be a part of my Litany From all sedition privy conspiracy and rebellion from all false Doctrine Heresie and Schism from hardness of heart and contempt of thy Word and Commandments good Lord deliver us I shall consider only one instance more of the Author 's too great indulgence to Schism and Heresie and then leave it to the Reader to judge Whether the opinion of the Ancients as it is generally received by our Modern Divines or the fond conceptions of the Author be more agreeable to the nature of the things or conducing to the peace and prosperity of the Church The instance is that of the second Council of Nice of which he says p. 211. That until that Rout did set up Image-worship there was not any remarkable Schism upon just occasion of fact To this our Author gives an Answer himself page 201. where he describes Schism on matter of fact to be such a separation as is occasioned by requiring something to be done by us which either we know or strongly suspect to be unlawful and concludes p. 202. that the first notable Schism of which we read in the Church viz. that concerning the observation of Easter did contain in it matter of fact Now how can these two assertions be reconciled That until the Schism occasioned by setting up Image-worship there was not any remarkable Schism upon just occasion of fact And that the first notable Schism that we read of in the Church viz. that about Easter did contain matter of fact and it was 600. Years before a Schism so notable as that our Author thinks p. 203. all the World were Schismaticks And if our Author be right the occasion of fact was just for he determines it to be so when something is required to be done by us which either we know or strongly suspect to be unlawful And the Asian Churches thought it unlawful for them to submit to the authority of the Bishop of Rome who would impose on them a rite contrary to an ancient custome of theirs to be received as a matter of faith of which before Again he instanceth in the Schism of the Donatists which was a complete Schism by our Author 's own rules for they did not only erigere Altare contra Altare set up Bishop against Bishop to which our Author observes that St. Cyprian imputed the Original of all Church-disorders page 222. but they erected also new Churches and Oratories for the dividing Party to meet in publickly which serves to make a Schism complete p. 196. so that there were notable Schismes long before that occasioned by setting up Image-worship To that which follows in our Author p. 211. concerning Image-worship set up by the second Council of Nice I fully accord That in this the Schismatical party was the Synod it self and such as conspired with it For concerning the use of Images in Sacris first it is acknowledged by All That it is not a thing necessary 2. That it is by most suspected 3. It is by many held utterly unlawful and that the injoining of such a thing can be nothing but abuse And the refusal of communion here cannot be thought any other thing than duty All this is true but our Author speaks not the whole truth he calls that only schism which was heresie in a fundamental point concerning the Worship of God according to his express will in the second Commandment And when that Council had the confidence to condemn them as Hereticks that were
bondage that they may make merchandise of them which have so perplexed them Can that be Conscience that causeth men to strain at a Gnat and swallow Camels to start at a shadow and throw themselves over Precipices so to abhor a Ceremony as to commit Sacriledge and rob the Church of Christ of his last and best Legacy that of Peace Can Conscience perswade a man who confesseth his own ignorance by his doubting to judge of the things in controversie to conclude that his Superiors are in an error and that they who disobey and oppose them are in the right or can we think that they did cast themselves out of their own Cures on a principle of Conscience who against all good Conscience intruded upon other mens and still invade their rights Is it Conscience that teacheth them to interpret the actions and constitutions of their Superiors in the worse sense and by their corrupt glosses to make faults where they can find none Is it conscience that causeth men who are under Oaths and obligations of obedience and peace to withdraw causelesly into factious and seditious assemblies to the disturbance of the Church and State where they might lead quiet and peaceable lives in all godliness and honesty Is it conscience that teacheth men to scruple at Ceremonies and to omit the weighty matters of the Law Or can we think that they do really believe in their Consciences that to live in Conformity to the Church of England is a sin who do educate their children the care of whose Souls next to that of their own is incumbent on them in such professions as will necessarily engage them to be Conformists The Ancient Nonconformists thought themselves bound in Conscience to use their utmost endeavours to prevent separation from the Church of England and to ingage their people to frequent the publick Worship And can it be a point of Conscience in the present Nonconformists so industriously to promote Separation and as much as in them lyeth to bring the publick Worship into contempt Or can they pretend conscience for despising the prayers of the Church who at the same time reject our Lords prayer also Is it conscience that makes private and illiterate men to think themselves wiser and better than their Rulers and spiritual Guides whom God hath set over them Is it conscience that doth dispense with the same men to conform and communicate with the Church when they are required to do so under some present and severe penalty as on the late Test and to shun it at other times Lastly who can believe that they err through weakness or doubtfulness of Conscience who refuse to make use of those obvious and probable means for their satisfaction which God hath appointed for them That is in such doubtful cases which their own son cannot determine to consult with those to whom God hath committed the conduct of their Souls For what is Conscience but a mans judgment concerning things and actions according to Gods Word and Right Reason inlightned and directed thereby For seeing the Word of God hath not particularly determined of all things and actions we ought by our Reason comparing one place of Scripture with another and drawing conclusions from them to be guided and acted in such things as are not determined in Scripture and if our own Reason be too short-sighted and dull to apprehend the nature of the things doubted of we ought to use such Instruments and helps as God hath provided who hath said by his Prophet that the Priests lips should preserve knowledge and the people should seek the Law at his mouth for he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts Mal. 2. 7. where the peoples duty is plainly asserted And by his Apostle that we should know them that are over us in the Lord 1 Thess 5. 12. And Heb. 13. 17. Obey them that have the rule over you and submit your selves for they watch for your Souls as they that must give account c. But as Mr. Baxter complains p. 570. of his Saints Rest Few of the Godly themselves do understand the Authority that their Teachers have over them from Christ they know how to value the Ministers Gifts but not how they are bound to learn of him and obey him because of his office People are bound to obey and learn of their Teachers as Scholars of their Masters And if the people were as willing to do their own duties and as apt to learn of their Ministers as they are forward to teach them or blame them for not doing theirs they might soon ease their Consciences of much guilt as well as of many doubts and scruples whereby for want of an humble and teachable spirit they so much trouble themselves and others And it is but reasonable that the established Clergy of the Church of England should expect as great a submission from their people as the Worcester Ministers who required their people to acknowledge in these words I ... do consent to be a Member of the particular Church of Christ at .... whereof .... is Teacher and Overseer and to submit to his teaching and ministerial guidance and oversight according to God's Word Those Men therefore whose Consciences are truly tender ought in doubtful cases to apply themselves to the means which God hath instituted and will therefore most probably bless for their information as first their own Pastor or if he be thought defective some neighbour Minister of whom the doubting Person hath a good opinion for his parts and piety if no such can remove his doubts he seems to me to be a Person capable to read the Works of Learned men that have written of the things in controversie and he may take in the help of Foreign Divines and perhaps inquire into the practice of the Church in the most pure and primitive Ages And if he find that they do all agree as Mr. Hooker and Mr. Baxter say That the certain commands of the Church we live in are to be obeyed in all things not certainly unlawful I cannot think that such as will still pretend doubts and espouse Parties and disobey their Governors and promote Schism and Divisions do erre out of weakness of Conscience but out of pride and stubbornness through great prejudices or for some little interests and concerns of their own which they value more than the Peace of the Church Now that Man doth judge extremely uncharitably of his Rulers whose Consciences are as tender and their Judgments better informed than his own and who being at liberty to choose and propose what may most conduce as well to their own as the Peoples salvation shall upon mature deliberation in solemn Assemblies appoint such a Discipline and Rites as they think most agreeable to the Word of God and the practice of the purest Churches in all Ages that Man I say must judge most uncharitably of them who should think that they impose on him any thing that is unlawful without a very clear
least if we before know of them and therefore that we must joyn with none whose errors or mis-expression we know of before That we are guilty of the sins of all unworthy or scandalous Communicants if we communicate with them though their admission is not by our fault That he whose judgment is against a Diocesan-Church may not lawfully joyn with a Parish-Church if the Minister be but subject to the Diocesan That whatsoever is unlawfully commanded is not lawful to be obeyed That it is unlawful to do any thing in the Worship of God which is imposed by men and is not commanded in the Scripture These and more such as these are Superstitions which some Religious people have brought in And by all such inventions fathered upon God and made a part of Religion the minds of men are corrupted and disquieted and the Churches disturbed and divided Of Censoriousness Is not censoriousness and rash judging a sin Yet one congregation of the division labours to make others odious and contemptible and that is called the preaching of truth and purer worshipping of God I have seen this grow up to the height of Ranters in horrid blasphemies and then of Quakers in disdainful pride and surliness and into Seekers that were to seek for a Ministry a Church a Scripture and consequently a Christ I have lived to see it put to the Question in the little Parliament whether all the Ministers of the Parishes of England should be put down at once I have seen how confidently the killing of the King the rebellious demolishing of the Government of the Land the killing of many thousands of their Brethren the turnings and overturnings of all kind of rule even that which themselves set up have been committed and justified and profanely fathered upon God these with much more such fruits of love-killing principles I have seen If you converse with censorious Separatists you shall hear so many invectives against them that are truly Catholick and sober as will make you think that love and peace and Catholick communion are some sinful and mischievous things The experience of 26. Years in this Kingdom may convince the World what crimes may stand with high professions such as the generation springing up will scarce believe What high Professors were the proudest overturners of all Government and resisters and despisers of Ministry and holy order in the Churches The most railing Quakers and most filthy blaspheming Ranters to warn the World to take heed of being proud of superficial gifts and high profession and that he that stands in his own conceit should take heed lest he fall I have much ado to forbear naming some high Professors known lately at Worcester Exeter and other places who dyed Apostate-Infidels deriding Christianity and the Immortality of the Soul who once were Separatists And I have heard of some Separatists who when others of a contrary judgment were going to the Churches at London looked in at the Doors saying The Devil choak thee art thou not out of thy pottage yet I commend to all that of the Apostle Phil. 2. 3. Let nothing be done through strife and vain glory but in bowliness of mind let each esteem others better than themselves Read this Verse over on your Knees and beg of God to write it on your Hearts And I would wish all Assemblies of dividers and unwarrantable Separtists to write it over the Doors of their Meeting-places and join with it Rom. 12. 10. but especially study James 3. In a word if God would cure the Church of religious pride the pride of wisdom and the pride of piety and goodness the Church would have fewer heresies and contentions and much more peace true wisdome and goodness The forwardness of many to keep open divisions and to affect communion with none but such as say as they do is a down-right mark of a Schismatick And I know that dividing principles and dispositions do tend directly to the ruine and damnation of those in whom they do prevail When Men fall into several Parties burning in zeal against each other abating charity censuring and condemning one another backbiting and reviling each other through envy and strife when they look strangely on each other as being of several sides as if they were not children of the same Father nor members of the same Body or as if Christ were divided one being of Paul and another of Apollo c. and every one of a Faction letting out their thoughts in jealousies and evil surmises of each other perverting the words and actions of each to an ugly sense and snatching occasions to present one another as fools or odious to the hearers as if you should plainly say I pray you hate or despise these People whom I hate and despise This is the core of the Plague sore it is schism in the bud S. 16. When People in the same Church do gather into private Meetings not under the guidance of their Pastors to edifie one another in holy exercises in love and peace but in opposition to their lawful Pastors or to one another to propagate their single opinions and increase their Parties and speak against those that are not on their side Schism is then ready to increase and multiply and the Swarm is ready to come forth and be gone S. 17. When these People actually depart and renounce or forsake the communion of the Church and cast off their faithful Pastors and draw into a separated Body by themselves and choose them Pastors and call themselves a Church and all without any just sufficient cause when thus Churches are gathered out of Churches before the old ones are dissolved or they have any warrant to depart when thus Pastor is set up against Pastor Church against Church and Altar against Altar this is Schism ripe and fruitful the Swarm is gone and hived in another place S. 19. If they shall also judge that Church to be no Church from which they separated and so cut off a part of the body of Christ by an unrighteous censure and condemn the innocent and usurp authority over their guides this is disobedience and uncharitableness with schism A true Christian that hateth Fornication Drunkenness Lying Perjury because forbidden in the Word of God will hate Divisions also which are so frequently and vehemently forbidden Jo. 17. 21 22. Ro. 14. throughout Ro. 15. 12. 1 Cor. 1. 10. Eph. 4. 1 2 c. 1 Cor. 12. Phil. 3. 15. Ro. 16. 17 18. 1 Tim. 1. 4. James 3. The mischief of Divisions may be seen at large p. 739. Q. May or must a Minister silenced or forbid to preach the Gospel go on still to preach it against the Law Answ He that is silenced by just power though unjustly in a Country that needeth not his preaching must forbear there and if he can must go into another Country where he may be more serviceable We must do any lawful thing to procure the Magistrates