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A92823 A second part of the religious demurrer; by another hand. Or, an answer to a tract called The lawfullnesse of obeying the present government. / By a lover of truth and peace. Lover of truth and peace.; Ward, Nathaniel, 1578-1652. 1649 (1649) Wing S2314; Thomason E530_31; ESTC R203433 11,345 8

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