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A67325 A necessary treatise for this age, or, A plain discovery of that great error of denying baptisme with water to the children of believers in justification of the arguments of John Turner, for infants basptisme, against Robert Admond : together with several other useful particulars on this subject, the contents whereof follow in the next page / briefly and plainly handled and discust by Thomas Wall. Wall, Thomas. 1669 (1669) Wing W486; ESTC R38029 30,254 53

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Commandment being love out of a pure heart and of a good conscience and of faith unfained 1 Tim. 5. so ought the outward baptism of water to be administred on that place even the forehead where Christs name or covenant is recorded Rev. 22. 4. Moreover when the Lord sent the Messenger to destroy the wicked in Jerusalem those that were to be preserved or saved were marked on the forehead Ezek. 9. So likewise in Rev. 7. 3. and as Baptism is a figure of our safety 1 Pet. 3. 21. and the forehead or face representeth the whole man why not a part taken for the whole in this Ordinance as well as in the Spiritual Baptism and the mark of old and now of the people of God Ezek. 9. Rev. 7. in the forehead a part was taken for the whole as may be seen in the use of water where Christ washed the Disciples feet as if the whole body had been washed John 13. signifying a cleansing of the whole so Baptism on the face or forehead signifyeth the whole body washed in the Blood of Christ as a cleansing from all sins for of old in the figures of cleansing or sanctifying it was chiefly by sprinkling a part taken for the whole Again If you will not grant a part to be taken for the whole we cannot justify the Scriptures of truth for it was said as Jonas was three dayes and three nights in the Whales belly Ion. 1. 17. So shall the Son of Man be three dayes and three nights in the heart of the earth Matth. 13. 40. But we know he lay but a part for the whole therefore beware of following your own spirit and have seen nothing as the foolish Prophets did in Israel Prophecying out of their own hearts Ezek. 13. and your having neither the warrant of the Learned to limit the word to one sense of Dipping neither the Scripture for your opinion but take warning by the Counsel of the Holy Ghost Cursed is he that addeth or diminisheth which must needs be in denying the sense and meaning of the Word And next I shall by the help of God shew you that you are not faithful to practise what you seem to contend for in the administration of the Baptism of water and that in your own Judgment are not yet Baptised unless you grant a part to serve for the whole When Philip and the Eunuch went down into the water I suppose you will not deny but so far as they both went into the water was no part of Baptism and when they were both gone so far into the water as was convenient to make use of the water then Philip Baptised the Eunuch Now whether Philip and the Eunuch went but to the ankles or midleg or knees or wast before he Baptised the Eunuch is not mentioned in the Text the Scripture is silent but according to your Judgment that the whole body must be dipt or else none are Baptised then sure you must prove that the Eunuch was born up in the arms of Philip quite out of the water and so dipt all the body under water or else so far as the Eunuch went he Baptised himself or else Philip put the rest of the body of the Eunuch that was out of the water in the water and so Philip Baptised but a part for the whole and as I am informed by some that have seen the manner of your Administration o● Baptism that the party that is to be Baptised goeth into he water with the Administrator to the Loyns and the Administrator putteth the other part of his body which is out of the water into the water and so you Baptise but a part for the whole yet you plead for dipping the whole body and yet practice the contrary supposing there is a m●●h in anothers eye and the beam is in your own and keep ado with that Scripture Rom. 6. Buried with Christ in Baptism and that of 1 Cor. 15. 29. Baptised for dead or for the dead answerable to a mans burial that is dead and put in the ground But if you will practise what you contend for as I said before the Administrator must bear up the man that is to be Baptised quite out of the water and so put him into the water as a dead man into the Grave but did you ever know a man that was dead bury himself to the knees or waste and some other bury the rest of the mans body to see this would be a Miracle But a man cannot by any Rule from Gods word Baptise himself neither a part nor whole but so far as you go into the water you do Baptise your selves and another Baptiseth the rest thus you must acknowledg a part is by you practised for the whole or else in your own Judgment you are yet unbaptised and yet condemn others that believe and practise a part for the whole on that part of the body that representeth a part for the whole even the Forehead or Face And now I will shew you by the testimony of four several writers who was the beginner of your manner of Baptism by Dipping of himself though before this time there might be some that held your Judgment but knew not of any true administrator by succession but one being more desperately wicked than others would begin to Baptise himself and others being deceived by him follow after but beware and follow not a multitude to do evil Exod. 23. 2. In the dayes of King James or thereabouts one Mr. Smith who was of the Church of England after disliking thereof and leaving England in process of time was admitted a Member of a people of our Judgment then living in Amsterdam commonly but falsly called Brownists and in process of time was cast out of that Church for Errors he held and not long after he fell to deny his Baptism in infancy and knew not how to have a better nor a truer Administrator successively after your way of Dipping at length he Baptised himself and then he Baptised one Helvish by name this you may see in a Book written by one Mr. Jessop presented to King James more to ●his purpose I have seen in a book written by Mr. ●obinson living then at Leyden in Holland also in another Book written by one Mr. Clifton who wrote an answer to one of Mr. Smiths Books and in another Book written by Mr. Henry Ainsworth Teacher at that time in the Church where Mr. Smith was cast out from and as I have heard when I lived in London that one * This of Mr. Spilsbury I speak as I was told the others testimony is publick in Print and such men as were worthy to be believed Mr. Spilsbury should go to Holland to be Baptised of this Smith so he brought it into England And if you can prove no better an Administrator your Ministry will be found to come out of the bottomless pit as Romes Ministry did And that you may know how near kin your Baptism is
not to go beyond their limits set them by the King of Kings and because some presumed to break the order of God as Corah Dathan and Abiram Numb 16. and Nadab and Abihu Levit. 10. and Uzah 1 Chro. 13. 9. 10. and Vzziah 2 Chro. 26. 18. Gods Judgment fell upon them for presuming to do Gods service out of Gods order even so in the dayes of the Gospel some presumed as aforesaid to be Apostles but were found lyers and ministers of Sathan 2 Cor. 11. And though Uzah was a Levite yet he must not touch any of the holy things which belonged only to the sons of Aarons line Numb 4. 15. And the Lord smote the men of Bethshemoth because they looked into the holy things in the Ark fifty thousand threescore and ten men Sam. 6. 19 So that let all know that as of old God was the God of Order he is the same in all Churches of the Saints 1 Cor. 14. 4. Col. 2. 5. So that the place where Baptism ought to be performed must be in the Stative Assembly or Church of God in which Assembly the ordinary Officers of Christs true Church ought only to perform and those who are not Officers of a true Church have no Rule from the Word of God either to baptize or administer the Lords Supper but if any out of Office presume to do it is accursed as Corah Uza and Uzziah and as I heard some say some of your Judgment have taught persons must be dipt or damned If this be so it is very high judging Mat. 7. 1. We find it written He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved and he that believeth not shall be damned Mark 16. 16. The stress of damnation is for not believing the Holy Ghost foreseeing that in the greatest heat of persecution men by reading holy Scriptures may believ seeing none have right to baptize but the Ministers of a true Church and when the Church cannot of a Soul be fond and die in that time who dare say that Soul shall not be saved as it is written tell me O thou whom my Soul loveth where thou feedest and where thou makest thy Flock to rest at noon For why should I be as one that turneth aside by the Flocks of thy Companions Cant. 1. 7. Here was no neglect of the Souls desire to give it self up in holy Covenant with Christ and his Church when it saw the true way of God Deut. 26. 17 18 19. Ruth 1. 16. and 2. 12. 2 Cor. 11. 2. Jer. 50. 5. to put in practice Gods holy Ordinances Mat. 7. 24. James 1 22 23. for the neglect of injoying or performing Gods holy Ordinance is a sin but it shall not be laid to their charge if they want the injoyment of Gods Ordinances when in Gods holy Order they cannot have it but what will belaid to their charge that shall run head-long upon the Ordinances of Christ with out warrant from his Word Secondly Next I shall now shew on what part of the Body Baptism of Water ought to be administred or is most likely by the Scriptures it was administred upon You have R. A. supposed because they went down into the Water that therefore they were dipt do you think one cannot go into the water unless he be over the head Consider my friend a man is said to be in the mountain when he standeth within the limits of it Mat. 5 1. 2 Pet. 1. 8. Deut. 10. 1. Heb. 12. 20. Christ is said when he was teaching in a Ship that he sat in the Sea Mark 4. 1. So that when one is never so little in the water it answereth to the going into the water but it is very likely John preaching in the Wilderness where the River was which by reason of Ebbing and Flowing of the Water as Enon and Jordan were great Rivers joyning to the Sea might at sides be muddy and in the Wilderness having nothing conveniently to take up water they might that were baptized go so far as to take with the hand clear water to cast upon the face or forehead for the dumb beast will go so far into the River to drink as he may have clear water much more a man being a reasonable creature will go so far as to have clear water to cast upon the face or forehead lest the eyes be filled with dirt being so tender a place God having appointed every ordinance for the good of his people and not for their hurt and as I said before how Jerusalem and all Judea and all the Regions round about Jordan were baptized of John when here a part must be taken for the whole Because The Pharisees and Lawyers rejected the counsell of God against themselves being baptized of John Luke 7. 30. and these were inhabitants of Jerusalem John 1. 19. 24. So that here a part is taken for the whole in like manner we may conclude the use of water in Baptism on a part of the Body even the Face or forehead which representeth the whole Person As for example Hagar was said to flee from the Face of her Mistris which was from her person Gen. 16. 6 8. for farther evidence see these Scriptures Lev. 19. 23. 2 John ver 12. 3 John 8. 14. Rev. 6. 16. and many such like testimonies there is Likewise when Israell played the Harlot she is said to have a whores forehead setting forth all her abominations by the forehead beheld of all and yet not ashamed Jer. 3. 3. So the fals Church hath upon her forehead a name written Mystery Babilon the Great the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth Rev. 17. 5. Moreover the Saints are not ashamed of the profession of the Gospel Rom. 1. 16. signified as sealed on the forehead Rev. 7. 3. departing from all iniquity as a seal to Gods people 2 Tim. 2. 29. So that as Baptism of Water is a manifesting of Christ to Israell John 1. 31. a sign of Remission of Sins by Christ Acts 2. 38. whereon should it be administred but on that part of the Body w●ic● rep●●s●nt●th the whole man even the face or forehead which place or part of man the name of Christ is said to be Rev. 23. 4. whose name is the Word of God the of Christ Rev. 19. 13. the Covenant of the Gospel Heb. 8. 10. where then should the sign seal or token be administred but to the Covenant and on that place where the Covenant or Name of Christ is said to be even on the fore-head Rev. 22. 4. Again Christs Law or Covenant is also said to be written in the mind and heart of his people Heb. 8. 10. and the spirituall Baptism being there for Christ dwelleth in the heart by faith Eph. 3. even by the spirit of faith 2 Cor. 4. 13. then it will necessarily follow that as the inward baptism of Gods spirit is administred by God himself on that place even the heart where his Law or Covenant is wrot the end of the