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A19858 A treatise of the Church VVritten against them of the separation, commonly called Brownists. Wherein the true doctrine of a visible Church is taught, and the Church of England, proued to be a true Church. The Brownists false doctrine of the visible Church is conuinced; their shamefull peruerting of the holy Scriptures discouered, their arguments to proue the Church of England a false Church answered. Darrel, John, b. ca. 1562. 1617 (1617) STC 6286; ESTC S117495 230,202 407

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and vs one would thinke should now be ended considering how clearely the trueth shineth on our side yet for feare it prooue otherwise I will adde something more In the third to the Galathians verse 29. Paul saith thus to them And if ye be Christs then are yee Abrahams seede and heires by promise As if he had said If yee beleeue in Christ whereby you are made one with him then are ye indeede the seede of Abraham and heires of eternall life according to the promise God made with Abraham From hence I reason thus All they and onely they who be Christs that is are ingrafted into him by faith are Abrahams seede to whom the promise of eternall life is made But all of the church inuisible and onely they are Christs ingrafted into him by faith Therefore all of the inuisible church and onely they are Abrahams seede to whom the promise of eternall life is made The Proposition is proued by these words of the Apostle If Christs then are ye Abrahams seede The Assumption needs no proofe Againe I argue from hence thus against you If the vis Church be Abrahams seede and they to vvhom the promise of saluation was made then the vis Church and consequently all the members thereof are heires of saluation But this latter is false Therefore the first The Assumption you will not deny and the Proposition is as cleare by this Scripture and needs must be true seeing God is faithfull and constant in the performance of his promise which he could not be if any one of those should goe to hell to whom he hath made promise of heauen God is not as man Num. 23.19 that he should lye neither as the sonne of man that hee should repent Hath he said and shall hee not doe it And hath hee spoken and shall he not accomplish it No no. God is true Rom. 3.4 though euery man be a lyar If therefore God haue made a couenant or promise of saluation vvith the vis Church as you all affirme and specially M. Smith euer and anone in his Parralleles then all of the visible Church shall be saued But for as much as many of that societie shall be damned it cannot be that to them this promise was made but to some other company euen to the heires of saluation And this latter may bee confirmed and so you conuinced by your owne words By faith saith M. Ainsworth we are the seede of Abraham and consequently heires by promise of the blessed inheritance and so doe enter into his rest Com. of Saints 321. Here you affirme that the company of the faithfull or true beleeuers are the seede of Abraham with whom God made this couenant which manifestly ouerthroweth you Secondly that they who be the seed of Abraham are heires of the heauenly and blessed inheritance And heere I reason thus from your owne words They onely are the seede of Abraham vvith vvhom God made that gracious couenant of life euerlasting that be he●res of the blessed inheritance and doe enter into the h●auenly rest But the elect or inuisible Church onely are heires of the blessed inheritance and doe enter into the heauenly rest Therefore the elect or inuisible Church onely are the seede of Abraham with whom God made that gracious couenant of life euerlasting The Proposition is your owne the Assumption I trust you abhor to deny imbrace therefore the conclusion wherevpon necessarily followeth that God made not this couenant with the vis Church as all of you doe teach but with the inuisible as wee affirme But you tell vs that 1. Tim. 4 8. doth proue this Bodily exercise profiteth little but godlinesse is profitable vnto all things which hath the promise of the life present and of that that is to come Here is mention indeede of a promise concerning life eternall But to whom it is made Paul answereth to the godly But such onely are the elect and inuisible Church Therefore to them and not to the visible Church is the promise made of life euerlasting by Christ So that this Scripture maketh against you Moreouer you alleadge here 2. Pet. 1.3 According as his diuine power hath giuen vnto vs all things that pertaine to life and godlines Peter here telleth vs that all good things belonging to life eternall are giuen vs of God But to whom To the visible Church We reade no such thing but cleane otherwise To vs saith he As if he had said to me and the rest of the elect That by life here the Apostle meaneth life eternall no man will deny Neither that life eternall shall bee giuen vnto them to whom all things appertaining to that life are giuen Seeing then the inuisible Church onely haue all things pertaining to life giuen them of God forasmuch as they onely enioy that life and that the Apostle speaketh of them who are made partakers of this gift it followeth necessarily therevpon that hee speaketh onely of the inuisible church Obserue besides that hee saith not onely that God hath giuen vs all things that appertaine vnto life but addeth and godlinesse Implying thereby that they to whom this life is giuen of God haue first all things pertaining vnto godlinesse bestowed vpon them in this life before they enioy that life eternall in the world to come But to the inuisible Church onely all things pertaining to godlinesse are giuen Therefore of the inuisible Church the Apostle here speaketh and not of the visible as you affirme And here marke how M. Ainsworth applying this Scripture to the vis Church doth conuince both himselfe and his friends Let vs saith he consider some principall of the many good th●ngs Communion of Saints 165. 168. 170. that God doth giue vs pertaining vnto life godlinesse Among these he nameth Faith And what faith That saith hee whereby our fathers walked with God pleased him wrought many good workes obtained good report and in the end the saluation of their soules It is the gift of God vnto his chosen people which therefore is called the faith of Gods elect And a little after The most excellent fruit that we reape of faith is our iustification in the sight of God by his grace in Christ Iesus Hereby it is plaine enough though there is much more seruing to this purpose that hee speaketh of iustifying faith Another good thing pertaining to life and godlinesse that is giuen vs of God is saith he sanctification Ibid. 177.179.183.186 also the feare of the Lord loue out of a pure heart and of a good conscience and of faith vnfained the loue of God and his loue shed abroad in their hearts by the holy Ghost which is giuen vnto them with other graces of this kinde From these words of your owne I argue thus against you Of that Church or company of men Peter here speaketh to vvhom of God are giuen iustifying faith sanctification and the other graces before specified But the said graces are giuen onely to the elect and
because of this impunitie become no church or a false church Answere vs I pray you for this question commeth to the quick If you answere affirmatiuely that such a societie notwithstanding the vvicked that be in it is a true Church you doe at one push put downe a great deale of that rotten building you haue been a long time setting vp If negatiuely then I will not feare to affirme that neither the Church of Corinth nor sundry of the Churches of Galatia were true Churches when the Apostle writ vnto them which vvere blasphemie to affirme M. Bernard obiecteth further that this makes Dauid Iehoshaphat and the Church of God in their dayes to be no true matter of a visible Church for there was marrying many wiues the continuance of the high places the brazen serpent worshipped Ioabs murder permitted the bill of diuorcement allowed by Moses Herevnto this answere is giuen Iustif 106. I doe answere to this exception first that you cannot proue the holy men you name to haue sinned in all the particulars wherewith you charge them much lesse that they were conuinced of sinne in suffering these things and yet suffered them I reply Be it they sinned not in all the aforesaid particulars yet did they in some of them and what say you to them Dauid both sinned in suffering Ioabs murder and was in his conscience also conuinced thereof from whence it came that in his last will as I may say he chargeth Salomon his sonne concerning Ioab that as he had shed bloud so he should cause his to be shed 1. Kin. 2.5.6 and not suffer his hoare head to goe downe to the graue in peace But suppose that in this deferring of Ioabs punishment Dauid did not sinne which no man of good vnderstanding will affirme yet without controuersie he did and most grieuously in the matter of Vriah and lay a great while therein during which time his conscience did now and then checke him for the same for in this time Dauid was not a man dead in trespasses and sinnes or like them whose consciences are seared with an hote iron Now M. Robinson answere me Was Dauid in and during this time in the Church or without You cannot but acknowledge that hee remained at this time in the Church and was a member thereof But Dauid now was not seperated from all knowne sinne did not practise all the knowne will of God increase in grace and therein continue foras much as at this time he liued in knowne sinnes and decreased in grace Dauid therefore was matter of the visible Church and yet not such a Saint as you describe and consequently your doctrine is false that such Saints as you here describe are the on●ly matter of the visible Church M. Robinson inlargeth his answere thus But what countenance doe the infirmities of these holy men giue to the prophane and gracelesse multitude against whom we deale and whom alone we cast out of the account of Saints with what conscience or coulour can any man bring in the infirmities of Moses Dauid and Iehoshaphat to plead the Saint-ship of all the godlesse crue in the English assemblies Reply These examples were not instanced to countenance the profane among vs but to disproue your description of Saints and that such Saints are not the onely matter of the visible Church and therevnto they serue very well which is all that was by M Barnard intended For thus in effect he reasoneth Dauid and Iehoshaphat vvere matter of the visible Church for they were true members of a true vis Church But they vvere not such Saints as you define Saints to bee Therefore such Saints as you define are not the onely matter of the visible Church But to draw little neerer vnto you euen in Dauids time Psal 12.1 much more in worser times there was no lesse profane and gracelesse a multitude in the Church of Iudah then is in the Church of England at this day Wherevpon Dauid complaineth thus Helpe Lord for there is not a godly man left the faithfull are failed from among the children of men they speake deceitfully euery one with his neighbour flattering with their lips and speake with a double heart Which though it doe not countenance the vngodly among vs yet it manifestly disproueth your definition of Saints and supposed matter of the visible Church and proueth demonstratiuely that a people may bee a true Church notwithstanding there be in it wicked men nay a multitude of profane and gracelesse men as Iudah vvas in the dayes of Dauid Vzziah Iotham Hezekiah and other Kings of Iudah Isai 1.10 For marke vvhat Isaiah saith concerning the people of the Iewes in the raigne of the Kings lest mentioned Heare O Princes of Sodome hearken O people of Gomorrah A prophane therefore and gracelesse multitude and if you will a godlesse crue for the most part were the Iewes in those dayes and yet a true Church What letteth it then why wee may not likewise be a true Church notwithstanding there are many wicked and very vngodly among vs. Our last exception is That the Scriptures which for the conforming of this your false doctrine you bring are places speaking of the inuisible Church properly or of the vis figuratiuely Iustification 107. To this you answere thus It cannot bee manifested that wee bring one Scripture meant of the inuisible Church to proue the holinesse of the visible Church The vanitie of this obiection hath beene discouered in the exposition of that your picked instance 1. Pet. 2.9 Reply To proue the holinesse of the visible Church you quote a Description of the visible Church 2. the 17. Chapter of Iohn and oftentimes sundry verses therein b Apology 44. verse 14.20 and your selfe a little after this vaunt of yours c Iustif 115. verse 16. Now what in all Scriptures is to be vnderstood of the inuisible Church militant that is the Elect on earth and hereafter to be on earth If not this 17. of Iohn which you frequently apply to the visible Church This Chapter containeth in it onely a prayer which Iesus made for himselfe and men a little before his passion from whence it followeth that he speaketh of them for whom he prayed but he prayed onely besides for himselfe for the Elect as hee himselfe saith expressely ver 9. of this Chapter I pray not for the world meaning thereby the Reprobates of the world therefore hee speaketh here onely of the Elect. Here is one Scripture nay diuers seuerall testimonies of Scripture which being meant of the inuisible Church you apply to the visible Nay your selues teaching that the inuisible Church containeth in it all the Elect of God that haue been are or shall be doe for proofe therof produce d Description of the visible Church 1. Iohn 17.19.20 To proue the holinesse of the visible Church you e Ibid. alledge Ioh. 6.36 All that the Father giueth me shall come vnto me and him that commeth to me