he was Maâ— he was capable of suffering Death To be cut off not for himself 〈◊〉 he was God he was able to go through the Work he had to do for pooâ— sinners This was he the Light that John bare Witness of whâ—â— chiefly deserveth the Name of Light seeing he giveth Light 〈◊〉 and receiveth Light of none Now as he was the Creator of all thing John 1.2 So he Lighteth every one we will grant that â—â—â—â—thing the World reading that Phrase as you do Of which Light 〈◊〉 partook before his Fall yea and after his Fall though not in so great 〈◊〉 measure as when he was in the Image of God The Heathens had thâ— Light also yet were without God in the World Ephes 2.12 Tâ—â— Young Man Matth 10.20 that came to Christ had it And Paul before his Conversion yet both were without the Spirit of Regeneration as appears plainly Also there are many things and several Conditions to which man may by this Light of Nature attain and yet be without thâ— Spirit of Adoption viz. to be touching the Law blameless in the eyâ— of Man and seeming to himself to be Righteous before God 〈◊〉 9. It was so with me when time was and I saw no Bondage 〈◊〉 State though there was real Bondage According as it was with the in John 8.33 that said We be Abrahams Seed and are not in Bâ—â—â— to any Man Where Christ did imply that they were not free they 〈◊〉 being sensible of their Spiritual Bondage If any say that by this Light a Man may apprehend the Notion 〈◊〉 Christ a Saviour a Gospel Why If that should be granted 〈◊〉 if I consult my own former experience and the Scripture it 〈◊〉 turneth the Gospel into loosness that Grace may abound or it corrupteth it by joyning the Law and Works for Justification with Christ It teacheth that the Law must be kept perfectly or else thou canst not be saved Yet I still deny that every Man that cometh into the World is Lighted with a Gospel-Spiritual-Light This is a Light that every Man hath not Therefore in Answer to your Request pag. 40. viz. to know of us Whether there be a Light that every Man hath not And if so how it differs from the other I ask Can there be the Light of the Sun without the Sun Or the Light of the Fire without the Fire Or can there be the Light of a Candle without a Candle Then can there be the Light of the Spirit in Man without the Spirit of God 1 Cor. 2.9 10 11. Now it is Evident that all Men have not the Spirit as in Rom. 8.9 If any Man have not the Spirit of Christ he is none of his Implying that some were without the Spirit Jude 19. Sensual not having the Spirit Gal. 3.2 This only would I learn of you Received ye the Spirit by the works of the Law or by the hearing of Faith Then there was a Time before they received it seeing they might remember when and how they received it John 14.17 The Spirit of Truth which the World cannot receive Then the World hath it not And many more Instances may be gathered out of the Acts of the Apostles That both Jews and Gentiles had a Light the Gentiles had the work of the Law written upon their hearts and the Jews with this Natural Light the Knowledg of the Law of Moses Yet were without the Spirit not being Converted to the Faith of Jesus but opposing it Wherefore as a Man in outward things cannot lay hold on that which is beyond his reach no more can any by that common Light that every Man hath lay hold on that which is above its reach For that Light that shewed Adam that he had broke the Law of God Gen. 3. did not shew unto him the way of deliverance but God shewed it to him by Revelation So is it in our Day none seeth any Beauty or Comeliness in the Gospel without the Lord reveal it unto him by his Spirit Now here comes in the other Query pag. 41. Whether this Light I speak of the Light of the Spirit of Christ be another sort or kind of Light differing from that which every Man hath I Answer Of those that have the Common Light it 's said John 3. 6. That which is born of the Flesh is Flesh Titus 1.15 16. Vnto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing â—ure but even their mind and Conscience are defiled they profess that they know God but in works they deny him being abominable disobedient and to every good work reprobate or of no judgment The Natural Man discerneth not the things of God neither indeed can 1 Cor. 2.14 But now of those that have the other in the least measure of it this is said 1 Tim. 1.5 Now the end of the Commandment is Charity out of a pure heart and of a good Conscience and Faith unfeigned 1 Tim. 1.19 Holding Faith and a good Conscience which some having put away But how did they put it away What by falling into Theft Murder and Adultery and such-like practises Not so much by these things if at all for they became Teachers of the Law and as I humbly conceive thought that the Law must be kept perfectly as necessary for Salvation by which Doctrines they did corrupt the Gospel and cast off the Faith which once they pretended to making an unlawful use of the Law as Paul Witnesseth v. 7 8. whose Doctrine did eat as a Canker as it doth in our day Therefore the sum of all is as to these two Scriptures No Faith in Jesus no good Conscience no pure Light For they are always joyned together never go asunder Furthermore Paul speaking of himself 2 Tim. 1.3 That he served God at that present from his forefathers i. e. as Abraham and Isaac c. that were in the same Faith that he had now only they looked unto Christ to come and he as already come With pure Conscience How so had he not a pure Conscience always No when-as he said of himself before when a Pharisee he ought to do many things contrary to the Name of Jesus Yet lived strictly as touching the Law But time was that when a Pharisee the Lord met him and smote him to the Ground and gave him his Spirit and then he builded up the things that before he destroyed viz. The Faith of Christ and then and not till then had he a pure Conscience and served God with this pure Conscience Obj. But why should this Common Light be counted impure or an evil Conscience seeing it reproveth for sin And the Heathens by this did things contained in the Law which shew the work of the Law written in their hearts their Consciences bearing Witness Why should it be so called or stiled Answ Because it doth not shew unto Man Obedience to the Will of God from right ends and from right principles from right reason and understanding and judgment But is like an
sum and substance of the Gospel as coming of the Seed of David according to the Flesh was declared to be the Son of God with Power by the Resurrection from the dead So it is the Power of God his power exerted in Christ's Resurrection whereby we have Justification He rose again for our justification Again the power of God was greatly exerted in working Miracles while they preached the Gospel Heb. 2.4 God bearing them witness with Signs and Wonders with divers Miracles and gifts of the Holy Ghost While you pretend to a New Gospel you should have brought the Power of God to Seal it in Miracles When he calls it the Power of God it may be you understand it as Winkfield did that God's Essential Power is Communicated which cannot be for then would the Creature to whom it 's Communicated be omnipotent And if thou would'st plainly speak out dost thou not think that the Light that every Man hath is part of the essential Power of God which is able to save every one that doth obey it Now Paul speaks not a word of the Light that is in every one here he speaks of his readiness to Preach the Gospel to them at Rome v. 15. which Gospel what it was he had declared before v. 3 4. viz. a Doctrine concerning Christ's being Incarnate and his Resurrection now he saith he is not ashamed of this Doctrine but thou and thy Brethren are for you Preach it now now the reason why he was not ashamed of it is because it is the Power of God c. i. e. The Spirit who is God made use of this Doctrine that many despised to the Salvation of many The Spirit conveyed it self into the hearts of the hearers by this Doctrine and wrought Faith in them to receive it Therefore that Scripture 1 Cor. 1.18 doth explain the Preaching of the Cross i. e. Christ Crucified at Jerusalem without any Allegory not a word here of G. F's Doctrine of a Light that every Man hath to be turned to which thou hast been deluded by is to them that perish foolishness I pray God it be not so to you but unto us which are saved it is the power of God Now Paul Rom. 1.17 proceeds to tell us how this Doctrine not the Law nor the Light nor any other Doctrine is that which the Spirit makes use of to convert change and save because thereby the righteousness of God is revealed from Faith to Faith In the Doctrine of the Gospel is revealed a Righteousness that every way answers the holy Law of God which is the Righteousness that God approves of If I will be beloved of God reconciled have life I must have a Righteousness compleat to bring to God now no Doctrine declares this but the Gospel that declares the Remission of sins by the sacrifice of Christ and that by the Obedience of this one we are made righteous his Obedience without us Now he faith it is revealed from Faith to Faith therefore Faith is not that Righteousness but receiveth it being revealed I have writ the more upon this Scripture because it is greatly made use of by you And some will see hereby that it is not for you at all but against you Let me add this to what thou sayest that being led away by sin is a departure from or denial of the power To whomsoever God gives Faith in this Righteousness he sanctifieth inwardly and whoever hath this Faith he hath it in a pure Conscience and who-ever makes shipwrack of a good Conscience as to morals it 's a Token to us that he hath made shipwrack of Faith likewise if he continue so without Repentance This departing denying of the Power begins in unbelief an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God Heb 3.11 The last Scripture thou bringest in is 2 Pet. 3.17 where the Apostle exhorts the beloved that knew the truth to beware left they also should be led away by the error of the wicked Now John what error is there scarce mentioned in the Scripture which thou and thy people are not guilty of In the late Scripture thou namest thou didst plainly read thy self in Hymeneus Now again what errour of the wicked in this vers 3. There shall come in the last days scoffers vers 4. saying Where is the promise of his coming for since the Fathers c. This was the error viz. They did not believe the second coming of Christ Now in the face of how many thousands have the Quakers denyed this speak of his coming again they answer he is come they witness his coming Tell them of that Scripture in remembrance of him till he come why Christ is come therefore the Lords Supper is antedated as to them Thus they are for an Allegorical coming the second time i. e. to the Spirit in giving heed to the Light and so it is without sin unto Salvation according to you Take heed lest your Salvation prove only Allegorical not real I have several times heard it can name one not long since of the Quakers of Hartford that hath spoke it That we that look for the second coming of Christ are but gazers and our eyes shall sink or rot in their holes before we see that day intimating it shall never be John the Scripture is against thee thou hadst better quote a piece of Jacob Beâ—eman J. C. pag. 6. The young man was fully of the Quakers way Spirit Faith and Principle Thy mistake also in this is very gross as may appear by the Answer to the young mans Book in this particular Answer I confess I said that the young man was fully of the Quakers way c. But it seems I am mistaken and that grosly as will appear by thy Brother Baylies Answers which I have looked over and find that the reason that he gives why this young man was no Quaker was because he did put off his Hat and was not satisfied in silent meetings So that I must it seems retract because I did not understand that these two things did essentially constitute a Quaker viz. Silence and Vnmannerliness so that even a Dumb Turk is a Quaker When wilt thou be ashamed of these things John J. C. pag. 6. Thou Say'st the young man was an honest Quaker 〈◊〉 to his perswasion as Luther said of himself before his Conversion c. 〈◊〉 which it 's thus replyed then what are they converted from or to that are 〈◊〉 true to their perswasion Examine thy self and thy people whether you is all things are true to your perswasion if nay then you are come so far a the honest Quaker by thy own confession Answer I said the young man was an honest Quaker c. because there be some Knavish Quakers John thou knowest as in Luthers time many pretended mortification under a Monks Cowle and at the same time were unclean sensualists So some of you it 's known pretend to exact honesty in trade and under pretence cheat
because by obedience to it 〈◊〉 may be delivered from some sin And he is ready to say This is 〈◊〉 that loved me before I loved him Thus misapprehending those 〈◊〉 words in the Scriptures which are to be understood of the Perâ—â— of Christ as a Saviour and a Redeemer As that viz. Walk in the â—ight as he is in the Light and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth 〈◊〉 all Sin And ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall make ye 〈◊〉 And many more which might be reckoned up are all falsly apâ—yed to the Light within and the power that doth accompany it 〈◊〉 so according to the Quaker the Saviour the Redeemer the Blood which â—lâ—anseth are all within changing renewing quickning bringing 〈◊〉 perfection Without which they say There is no Salvation so that 〈◊〉 directly runs to the Tenet of those mentioned Acts 15.1 and in the Epistle to the Galatians who said they must be Circumcised and keep the Law of Moses without which they could not be saved 〈◊〉 the contest was about Circumcision yet the Law of Moses 〈◊〉 something more than Circumcision this likewise viz. Thou shal◠〈◊〉 the Lord thy God with all thy Heart Soul and Strength and thy 〈◊〉 bour as thy self Which no Man since the Fall was ever 〈…〉 Christ excepted as appeareth Acts 15.10 the Law is called 〈◊〉 which neither we nor our Fathers were able to bear And who were 〈◊〉 Fathers but Abraham Isaac and Jacob which were saved by 〈◊〉 and not by Works Rom. 4.1 2 3. But thou sayest Baily that Moses was a leading-Quaker when trembled at Mount Sinai at the terrible appearance of the Lord in 〈◊〉 the Law Declaring that we are under the dispensation of the Coveâ—â—â— Works But was Moses saved by that terrible Appearance No 〈◊〉 looked unto Christ to come in the flesh For he had Faith it's 〈◊〉 received not the promise Heb. 11.39 i. e. They lived not in this 〈◊〉 to see the accomplishment of the Promise of Christ to come in the 〈◊〉 Wherefore it appears that ye believe that the Blood Saviour Redâ—â—â— are within That Person that was put to death at Jerusalem raised 〈◊〉 Life again whom God hath Exalted Acts 5.30 31. Which is 〈◊〉 born of Mary for the Godhead could not dy and rise again 〈◊〉 he Exalted but the Manhood And not only this Person but 〈◊〉 wise Reconciliation in that Body of his Flesh the Peace through 〈◊〉 Blood of his Cross are little worth with you Quakers And so 〈◊〉 wel Gospel But the Light the Life the Power within as you 〈◊〉 it is all your Justifying Righteousness And so the Law with 〈◊〉 become the Gospel and the Gospel the Law Moses Christ and 〈◊〉 Moses Thus the poor Soul is shut up in Prison to work for Liâ—â— Salvation as I have said according to the Quakers Doctrine 〈◊〉 there is an end of Christ and the Gospel Not that I deny good 〈◊〉 in their place So that your Condition and State which I was once in may 〈◊〉 be compared to Bondage The Lord be merciful to you Furthermore Thou sayest Baily that in my asserting the Light 〈◊〉 which I was convinced of sin and by obedience there unto thoughâ— should be brought into the Image of Christ and in that Righteoâ—ness be accepted with God and delivered from Wrath to come 〈◊〉 to be the Light of the Spirit But only the same Light by which 〈◊〉 Heathens did by Nature things contained in the Law That I am 〈◊〉 a denyer of the Scripture which Scriptures thou sayest are John 〈◊〉 and again in Tit. 2.11.9 p. 29. of thy Book Both which places 〈…〉 〈◊〉 you told me were spoken of Christ he being called in one place 〈◊〉 in another Grace 〈…〉 that lighteth every Man and appeareth unto all Men is 〈…〉 the same according to you 〈◊〉 speak a little to the first Scripture 〈…〉 thou art out for I deny not the Scripture but your sence 〈◊〉 â—â—â—uing of the Scripture And I have good ground to judg and 〈◊〉 that thou mayest with thy friends corrupt the right meaning the Scripture for your own ends as thou hast our words and Wriâ—â— notwithstanding your pure Light For in saying W. Haworth 〈◊〉 the Deity and Godhead which the Barbarous people saw by when apprehended Paul to be a Murderer in pag. 29. and saith I have â—â—â—dicted my Companion Which is a Lye with which you have 〈◊〉 the heap of Confusion For W. H. doth not say By the 〈◊〉 but In the Deity they saw it As I by my eye see a Glory in the 〈◊〉 But the Glory of the Sun is not therefore my eye by which I 〈◊〉 God hath placed an understanding faculty in the Soul of Man 〈◊〉 he comes to know something of God It doth not follow â—â—â—upon that this faculty is God 〈◊〉 thou abusest our Words in affirming the Faith that justifieth 〈◊〉 wrought out by a person wholly without Man as in pag. 35. gâ—â—â—â— to make people apprehend that we say Faith is without as well 〈◊〉 Person Jesus Christ When as I said in pag. 19. speaking of imâ—â— Righteousness It was manifested to me in the Spirit working 〈◊〉 in me So here is a plain wrong done us yet we say that Faith 〈◊〉 the matter of Justification think of us as thou wilt but the Instruâ—â—â— which we lay hold of the Matter of Justification viz. the â—â—â—â—nal Righteousness of Jesus Christ This Faith God worketh in his 〈◊〉 by his Spirit according as it is written He shall testifie of me 〈◊〉 15.16 In pag. 51. S. Crisp saith I have cast of Christs Yoke and Burden 〈◊〉 â—ot to Sieal tell lies speak evil words c. and cautioneth the 〈◊〉 therefore to take heed of me pag. 50. Whereas I said in pag. 〈◊〉 the little Book that I ought to lead a good Conversation 1. For 〈◊〉 of God 2. To manifest my Love to Jesus Christ 3. To Conâ—â—â— the World of Sin c. Pag. 16. Faith is the Spring from whence true Christian-works do 〈◊〉 Pag 19. This Faith ingageth to Love the Lord. Pag. 20. Holding Faith in a pure Conscience hoping to be found 〈◊〉 my self Thus you abuse us turning our words to your sence and meaning because we will not admit of those Works wrought in us by the Spirit to come in to Justification But dare say so to do is no other but 〈◊〉 destroying of the Gospel 〈◊〉 a despising of Christ and making Man service his Saviour Therefore you would make the people believe thaâ— we are against good-works and Sanctification Surely in this Censure you pass you did not obey your Light 〈◊〉 else your Light cannot inform you aright which sheweth it to be impure and unsound But to the Scripture thou mentionest John 1.9 That was the true Light which Lighteth every Man that cometh into the World 1. As to that Phrase True Light I believe it was Jesus Christ 〈◊〉 of the Virgin Mary God and Man united in One. As
THE Quaker Converted to Christianity RE-ESTABLISHED Upon the same sure safe and only Foundation Jesus Christ crucified and his Righteousness imputed for Justification Having yet no mind to change the sweet and easie Yoke of CHRIST's GOSPEL for the Old Covenant-Yoke of QUAKERISM which he found so burdensome and intolerable OR A full REPLY to a Book entituled Rebellion rebuked written by John Crook and William Baily both in the Ministry among the QUAKERS Written by WILLIAM HAWORTH a Contender for the Faith once delivered to the Saints With an Account from WILLIAM DIMSDALE the Person so frequently mentioned in this Treatise Acts 13.8 But Elymas the Sorcerer withstood them seeking to turn away the Deputy from the Faith Mat. 23.13 But wo unto you Scribes and Pharisees hypocrites for you shut up the Kingdom of Heaven against men for ye neither go in your selves neither suffer ye them that are entring to go in LONDON Printed for Jonathan Robinson at the Golden-Lion in Pauls Church-yard Anno Dom. 1674. AN EPISTLE TO JOHN CROOKE Wherein his EPISTLE is Answered JOHN CROOKE MY first coming to Hartford was soon after some sharp and long Buffetings that I had been exercised withal as my Christian Friends know The Lord was but then rebuking Satan taking the Lyon off me and delivering me and restoring Comfort to me there did remain many impressions of those Buffetings upon my Spirit which the Lord in rich Mercy hath since healed and taken away the smart and pain by giving me Faith in the Blood of sprinkling much Guilt and Filth was left upon my Conscience contracted by that long Combate Satan finding so much in me to work upon but there hath been a washing and pardoning and reconciling and Sanctifying since that time Coming to Hartford I found many of the People called Quakers Inhabiting there was glad in this respect that I might thereby have occasion to try their Spirit Way and Doctrine farther which at London and elsewhere I had been frequently searching into Hereupon I refused no Converse or Society with them and my behaviour towards them was with Love and sweetness insomuch that I have in my publick Preaching given offence to some of â—r bearers in that what was commendable in the Quakers practice I have reckoned up and praised at such times as I have Preached Truths against their Opinions My carriage was such towards you that it was frequently reported that I was not far from you that I was coming to you I was very willing to entertain discourse with any of you and with thee when it was desired by some which was effected it appears thou hast not forgotten it in that thou mentionest it in this Epistle that it was in some freedom from Heat and Passion That Meeting was beneficial to us by reason of a Concession from thee at that time viz. That the New Creature was an higher thing than the Light within and that you did but point out people to the Light in order to the New Creature Remember this John of which there are many Witnesses Within two days I had another discourse with thee in the Town and I dare appeal to all the Light thou hast in thy Conscience if there were not much extravagant Heat that day in thy self and Friends Thou may'st John to this day hear it that some of thy own party said that John Crooke was not in a right Spirit that day Pray forget not John what a good and wholesome Truth thou opposedst that day viz. the everlastingness of the Covenant of Grace saying that David was out of Covenant when under his Temptation This thou knowest Arminius is for and all the Jesuits viz. a Total falling from Grace In that dispute I dare not say I had no itch after applause or vain Glory stirring in me nor any anger but I can say through Grace my main design was for the defence of the Truth for the prevention of errours Not long after this God's providence ordered a Prison for me where there were many of thy Brethren forty or fifty some of them were Teachers and had been for some considerable time Here I had a fair opportunity of making inquiry and informing my self whether the things I had heard reported of this people were true as to their Opinions whether I had such cause to be so jealous of them as I was having discoursed them before the Lord keeping up this Principle still in me that I would follow Truth in whomsoever I found it Here many days did I engage in debates with them touching many great things in Religion viz. Touching Original Sin against this that any such thing was upon Children when they come into the World they did contend viz. Christopher Taylor Lewis Lacondy with others of them The last named asserted that a Child when born is as innocent as Adam in Paradise was before he sinned Christopher Taylor disputed very much against the Resurrection of the Body with me This same Christopher called the Doctrine of Election a Devilish damnable and Blasphemous Doctrine How often did I beâ— this Man repeat this in his Preachings do this and Live which is the voit of the Law in opposition to the Gospel Rom. 10. Thomas Bur of Ware did at that time acknowledge in my Chamber that be apprehended nothing in the point of Justification that we talked of These are Teachers in your Israel And how many times have I heard this Man run in his speaking among the people into most strange uncouth dark unintelligible nonsensical Allegories upon the Scriptures The Lord lay not this to some of your Charge that are greatly guilty of a dreadful abuse of the Holy Scripture this way and you do still up and down the Countries confound the poor people that must stand and wonder at that which neither they nor the Teachers themselves understand Thomas Moss of Balwick did argue this with me so long that I durst talk no longer lest I should have been an occasion of his Blaspheming viz. That Christ could not be born of the Virgin Mary in case she was a Sinner without sin Thus was I trained up with them eleven Months heard their Prayers made many a time and was glad to hear them in the seeming fervency and Zeal but these Prayers were not to me like the Prayers of the Holy Men of God Ezra Daniel c. Not with Confessions neither did I ever â—ear such an expression as this which Daniel bad viz. For the Lord's sake I could not discern that any use of Faith was made of Jesus as a Mediator now without while the Spirit did seem to stir up sighs within I understand withal this to be one of the first-born of your errours which Thomas Bur would not deny viz. that every one of your Teachers is equal to the Prophets and Apostles and so their writings equal with the Scripture I told Christopher Taylor what William Penn said to a friend of mine viz. that George Fox was as good a Prophet as
within every Man which according to Far the younger forgives Sin J. C. page ibid. And if thou hadst understood what thou saidst immediately before concerning the Blood of Christ which thou callest Oyl poured into the gashes of Conscience thou wouldest not have spoken thus slightingly not Blasphemously of the Quakers Christ Answer Through Grace I understand what I say in that expression and have experienced it in mine own Soul I understand by the Blood of Christ all the Sufferings of Jesus of Nazareth the Messiah and the Merit Virtue and Value of them I do not with Quaker Penington understand the Heavenly Blood in opposition to that Blood of his Earthly Body that was shed Penington in his Questions page the 25th saith can outward Blood cleanse the Conscience in thy confession upon this Article I Question not but thou art of the same mind that the outward Blood and Sufferings of Christ are all of no value for the taking away of Guilt notwithstanding all thy glorying words there This Blood and Sufferings the value of them towards God for the expiation of the Guilt of Sin I apply to my own Soul that is guilty of the breach of the Law and have peace hereby Rom. 5. Being justified by Faith we have peace with God are Reconciled and so must needs have Peace of Conscience through Jesus Christ As for my speaking slightingly if not â—sphemously of the Quakers Christ I am throughly perswaded by my reading and converse without the least desire in my heart to wrong them Nay this last Testimony of Fox the younger is enough to convince thee if thou hast been deluded by them That the Light in every one is the Quakers Christ and that they believe there is no Manhood of Christ now but it vanished when Christ ascended and diffused it self into every one Now if thou art of the same mind but will not pull of the Monks hood Why should you charge me with Blasphemy for saying that the tasters of Christ's Grace cannot take up with this Christ is this the Sealed One Him that was ordained as Peter speaks set forth Rom. 3. to be a Propitiation the Head of the Church the High Priest at God's right hand the first-born of every Creature the brightness of his Fathers Glory the Eternal Word that was made Flesh the Seed of Abraham in which all the Nations of the Earth shall be Blessed that Lamb of God that took away the Sins of the World Judge of quick and dead the only Potentate King of Kings and Lord of Lords the Alpha and Omega all in all Therefore hear me John that it thou beleivest as these have expressed themselves I charge thee with the highest Blasphemies imaginable and if thou do it knowingly and wittingly such as never shall be forgiven if thou attribute any of these Titles to any thing that is in Man besides the very Person of Jesus Christ J. C. Page 8. Oh that the Gospel was studied by us and Preached by us more J. C. is very angry at these words and saith O vain Man dost thou think by the fleshly study and Preaching from the same to advance the true Christ Nay but Man and self instead of Christ and his Righteousness for the Gospel is a Mysterie and the Preaching of it Foolishness to all that Perish and the things of it are the heavenly things themselves searched 〈◊〉 only by the Spirit of God Therefore cease from thy own study and wait in the silence of all Flesh for the pouring out of the Spirit which can only open the Mysteries of Christ and his Righteousness and shew them unto thee Answ Had I said that with fleshly study and Preaching from the same we should advance the true Christ I had spoke like a vain Man but thou hast foysted that in apprehending that all the study and pains that we take in searching the Holy Scripture is fleshly and carnal and Mr. Faldo's Key will open this to us that all the enquiries after Knowledg is accounted by you but the Toyle Labour and Birth of the Flesh I perceive thou art not at all for searching into the Scriptures and comparing Spiritual things with Spiritual only for waiting upon the Light within you as your Teacher and Rule and Guide Couldest thou perswade all the Ministers to silence Thou and Fox might carry your Kingdom of Delusion the better The Gospel is a Mysterie thou sayest but John it is a Mysterie revealed it was hid in God and none knew it but himself If a Mysterie we had more need to Study and search out for it in the Scriptures The Angels stoop down to pry into this Mysterie and to learn it now revealed and yet thou wouldest not have us to study it O vain Man But what dost thou mean by the Gospel being a Mysterie Is it such a Mysterie as cannot be understood by Mans searching the Scriptures through the enlightnings of the Holy Spirit But the Key helps me again It is a Mysterie because it is only an Allegorie and J. C. thinks that Allegorism is only the true Preaching of it as once I heard thee make use of that passage spoke by the Angels to Mary viz He is not here he is risen intimating so much we are not to Look by Faith to his Death but to the Light Rising in our hearts Thus it is a Mysterie as in your sence That Preaching that thou mentionest from the Corinthians was the Preaching of Christ Crucified that was counted Foolishness looking for Life to come by the death of another Per mortem alterius stultum est sperare salutem Thus do the Jews Heathens Socinians Quakers What that death 1600 years since as far off thee as Jerusalem This is thy Language the Heavenly things themselves which thou mentionest are the things of the Gospel in Heb. 9.23 It 's true but I am jealous that thou meanest the Light within by these Heavenly things themselves whereas it is plainly in opposition to the Vessels Tabernacle c. under the Law that were sprinkled with Blood thou must understand either Christ himself who in Chap. 2. v. 10. was consecrated through sufferings or the Church and People of God who are the Heavenly Jerusalem or Heaven it self whereinto he is entred with his Blood The things of the Gospel are things searched out by the Spirit i. e. they are already searched out by the Spirit 1 Cor. 2.10 God hath revealed them to us by his Spirit for the Spirit searcheth all things yea the deep things of God Christ Crucified which he speaks of before the things of this Doctrine v. 16. but we have the mind of Christ they are revealed by the Apostles and by the Wisdom Judgment of Man enlightned by the same Spirit that gave them forth we may attain the Knowledge of them and not without but this Spirit thou speaks of is nothing but the Light that every Man hath according to the Quakers but withal we cannot be perswaded by thee to
by the Light and it doth justifie of which afterwards J. C. As if the Quakers were against that Confession of sin c. Ans Shall we not judg of your Opinions by your practices you Pray I know having heard you frequently without the least Confession of any sin Thus it may be the Quakers are not against the Confession of sin viz. they apprehend that others that are not Quakers being sinners ought to confess their sins But as for them they are not sinners I have lately tryed them in a discourse not a word can I draw out of them that they are sinners Wo unto them Pharisees Hypocrites Humphery Smith being asked at Hartford why he did not confess sin to God in Prayer answered he had none to confess as being no drunkard c. I can prove this by witness J. C. pag. ibid. We own the Holy Scriptures Answ Are not the Scriptures and Christ mightily obliged to you infallible Doctors that will condign to own such fragments and a Book patched up of so many scraps to help a little when the Church had lost the life of the Spirit One now living in Hartford about ten years since heard John Crook at Hartford in George Westwares house in a discourse amongst the people invalidating the Holy Scriptures as not being the Rule and that people should turn to the Light and therefore had words to this purpose as near as can be remembred viz. That at first the Saints lived by the life of the Spirit and were guided thereby and had none of those Books which they call meaning Professors the Scriptures which Scripture so called in the primitive times after they were written some part of them was at Corinth some at Colosse others at Rome c. now when the Churches had lost the life of the Spirit they called a Council and sent to those places and gathered those fragments and packed or patched them together and called them the Scriptures and he said fâ—rther That we had no more than the Rhemists who were Papists would let us have and that there was a Gospel written by some one of the Apostles and a Revelation by another which we had not when J. C. was charged with this at Hartford he replyed to the same person that had heard him that if these were his words it was not his Judgment J. C. pag. ibid. We say that if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness 1 Joh. 1.9 But confession of sin ought to be performed from the sense of evil of sin upon the Conscience and not out of formality and custom only as most do Ans We say the same here we agree but this phrase as most do I suppose are all of what sort soever that are not Quakers for Quakers do not at all confess sin therefore all are but in a senseless formal state besides them and what they do it is but out of custom Pag. ibid. Yet we say now this is spoke from an infallible oracle in the name of all the Quakers where the heart is sprinkled with the blood of Christ from an evil Conscience at that time and while remaining so thanksgiving is proper to be given to God for praise is comely for the upright and such Know c. Answ So may there not be a sense of the desert of the evil of sin though not anguish and trouble upon the Conscience for it at the same time that the Conscience is sprinkled with the blood of Christ and so there may be and should be Confession of sin and Praise together Supplication and Thanksgiving the Scripture speaks of and so in many of the Psalms there are Confessions and Thanksgiving together so there is a Rejoicing with Trembling I query whether the Quakers ever had a true sense of sin because they never do confess sin whether they are not much more perfect than Isaiah Job and John yet these Saints Consciences at that very time were sprinkled with the blood of Christ and so Isaiah when he said I am a man of unclean lips Paul had the sence of sin Rom. 7. yet at the same time gives thanks I query again whether any that have it sprinkled ever have it unsprinkled though they may lose the sense of it so indeed Praise not to exclude Confession is comely for the upright J. C. And such know the Blood of sprinkling to be a speaking blood it speaketh with the Apostle causing that soul that is washed with it alwayes to be mindful of it and truly to prize it Answ This true if rightly understood but by the Blood look in o Mr. Faldo's Key is to be meant the power of the light within not the sufferings of Christ according to the Quakers sense Remember what Pennington saith that external blood cannot cleanse the conscience the blood of Bulls and Goats could not do it no more can this there is no more worth in this than in other common blood in your account although thou dost afterwards seem to confess otherwise Pennington saith heavenly blood which Christ brought with him from Heaven and dwelt in the garment of the body a while and now is in every Quaker This is the blood thou meanest still thou art at Legerdemain Where doth this blood speak why we believe according to the Scriptures That as the high Priest entred into the Holy-place with the blood of the sacrifice so Christ by his own blood entred in once into the holy place Heb. 9.12 24. into heaven it self now to appear in the presence of God for us Now according to your Allegorists this Heaven it self is within man so was Christ in the Saints before he came in the flesh and his blood the Light within before any of his sufferings in the flesh But we now will declare our sound Scripture-sense as followeth Christ is our Advocate with the Father and his Blood the infinite worth of it the value of all his sufferings speaks to the Father John 1.2 he is an Advocate by vertue of his being a Propitiation as there it s spoken now he was not a propitiation within us therefore he is not an Advocate within that is the Spirits work enabling us to go to God in prayer through his Name yet we say that faith that looks to this and trusts to this is wrought within us by the Spirit and so know that the blood speaks the sufferings without and thus we have peace of Conscience J. C. pag. 9. Thou sayst Jesus Christ of Nazareth c. brought this Righteousness if thou believest that none were really saved or made righteous by that Righteousness of Christ till or after that time thy faith is contrary to the Scripture which calls Christs Righteousness an everlasting Righteousness Dan. 9.24 Isa 45.17 Micah 5. Answ Yea and again I say Jesus of Nazareth brought this Righteousness and he only and it was not actually brought in before according to that in Dan.
compares this blessed Light which hath done all this 〈◊〉 for him to the Egyptians which grievously and wickedly oppressed 〈◊〉 afflicted the people of Israel on whom the Lord sent his Plagues because of their Cruelty which they exercised upon his people as may be seen in pag. 18. And yet confessed he had Joy and Peace and Comfort and 〈◊〉 in Spirit under these Taskmasters which the poor Israelites had 〈◊〉 but cryed to the Lord as may be read in Exod. 3. and so no fit but a wicked and unrighteous comparison which the Lord will one day judg him 〈◊〉 Reply Thou and thy Brother Crisp are very Angry with the young Man I perceive for making use of this Comparison in pag. 18. of the little Book Crisps piece is nothing but a meer paraphrase upon this Comparison which will be Answered here besides what the young Man hath written concerning it to vindicate himself How easily be ye stirred if any reflection be but seemingly cast upon the Light more Zealous you be here than if any should reproach the person of Christ for many of us are perswaded and upon good Grounds that you Believe there is no such person as Jesus Christ God and Man But why so moved ye be jealous for your God the Light there being no just ground given you might as well be angry with the Apostle for comparing the Covenant of works to Agar saying it gendreth to Bondage Gal. 4.24 and all that are under this Covenant to Ishmaels Children of the Bond woman to be cast out thou mightest as well say that the Apostle here in this place compares the Light within to Agar and it's Children to Ishmael and call this a wicked unrighteous comparison that God will Judg Paul for one day as to speak this of the young Man who only sets out by this Comparison that estate and condition that he was in before Christ did savingly reveal himself to him by his Spirit when he followed the Quakers Light within as his Guide which led to the way of the Covenant of works to obtain Life by his own doings wherein he had some Carnal false Peace and satisfaction as the Israelites had in Egypt upon performing their tasks not being beaten when they did that which was required but had Garlick and Onions and Meat to the full in remembrance of which they had frequent longing desires to return there was something then desireable to their Carnal Appetite so it was with this young Man and with every one under the Covenant of works they have Peace in their Consciences as long as they are toiling for Life and Salvation in some external things but no Peace arising any other way whereas afterwards when in Canâ—an the Israelites had not these Tasks imposed on them neither were they beaten for the neglect of them but were free from this Bondage and had an inheritance given them of God and were to serve Christ in the improvement of these good things he had given them Thus the young Man upon the Faith of the Gospel was set free by Christ If the Son shall make you free ye shall be free indeed John 6 36. He saw now a better and more compleat Righteousness in Christ his Head without him than that which was wrought in him hereupon he had a better Peace drawn from a surer ground that would endure Being justified by Faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ Rom. 5.1 and so there must needs be sweet and steady Peace of Conscience for who can lay any thing to the charge of God's Elect God Justifieth who can Condemn Rom. 8. he now continueth in his Duty but from another principle to another end than when a Quaker viz. The Life of Faith doing what he doth not for fear of a whip like an Egyptian oâ— Turkish Slave for fear of Hell-fire and the Wrath of God but what he doth he doth it now with delight and sweetness it 's pleasant this is Love that we keep his Commandements and his Commandements are not grievous 1 John 5.3 now he aims not only at himself in his obedience which one under the Covenant of works doth and therefore his Righteousness is nothing worth it is but Hypocrisie but he aims now 〈◊〉 Glory of Christ and would not leave Holiness in case his hapness was not concerned in it So that this Canaan is not as thy Brother 〈◊〉 weakly insinuates a Canaan of Loosness but Godliness where the 〈◊〉 of God is there is Liberty the Christian walks in the Royal 〈◊〉 of Liberty not fearing the loss of Salvation because it is sure 〈◊〉 Election and Purchase and Christ hath taken possession of it for 〈◊〉 already although he comes not up to that height that the Law â—â—â—ires and do not they Love God more and obey better that apprehend the Love of God in Christ unchangeable towards them than those that after all their toil fear they may fall short The Pharisees fasted oftner than Christ's Disciples but were not so really Godly as they what is all Obedience without Love and how can there be Love but by apprehension of God's Love to use I find nothing in Pag. 32 but vain Repetition till I come to that Paragraph that begins thus viz. Take heed of the Sin against the Holy Ghost for it is near when that which casts out Devils is called Beelzebub 〈◊〉 how you sport your selves with a consuming Fire Reply Is it not Blasphemy to say that the Light that every Man hath all the Heathens have that worships Devils every unclean Adulterer every Murtheren Thief and Robber hath is Common and â—ssential to Man as his Soul Conscience Reason in a word is Nature That this is the Holy Ghost who is God of the same Nature and Essence with the Father 2. To say that the Light within every one hath power to cast out Devils 3. That it is a consuming Fire which here thou dost Observe this is the third time of Baylies Blasphemy making the 〈◊〉 to be the very omnipotency and Justice of God which are himself Bayly in the fourth Paragraph Whether the Lord requireth Obedience and Service and Worship to any other Light or Spirit of Christians but 〈◊〉 own Reply The Lord requireth Obedience of Christians to the Magistrate yet the Magistrate is not the Spirit of Christ to the Moral Law yet 〈◊〉 not the Spirit to Officers in Churches to the Light of Nature and Conscience yet are they not the Spirit of Regeneration Worship to any other Light thou sayestâ— Here thou dost plainly imply that the Light within may be Worshipped for thou surely speakest of Divine Worship as it was in Naylor this is the fourth time of thy absâ—â—â— Blasphemies yet in the next breath saith It is but a Plant of the 〈◊〉 â—thers Planting yet such a Plant as it is a Tree of Life and a conâ—â—â—ming Fire and that which casts out Devils and to be Worshipâ— Those Plants spoke of in Matth. 15. which
of obeying God hath not lost his power of Commanding and he may justly demand that of a Man which he hath wilfully lost and deprived himself of In a Word God condemneth none but those that have freely run on in sin and impenitency to the last And this Baily is Equal and Just Baily But if all Men are lighted with the true Light as I Believe then by your Doctrine some have two Lights another Light besides the True Light Reply It 's no absurdity at all to say that two Lights of two kinds and natures may be in one and the same Soul at one and the same time As the Light of the Sun and Moon are seen at one time in the Air. Baily If it be of another kind speaking of the Light that the Saints have then it must be a false Light because the other is a trâ—â— Light Reply We have granted that the Light every Man hath is a true Light in its kind and so is the other true in it's kind both true yet differ in Kind from one another The Light of the Moon some apprehend differs in Kind from the Suns Light Yet the Light of the Sun is not false because the Moons Light is true An Ass differs in Kind from a Man yet he is as true an Animal as a Man Here is all the strength of Argument I can find Let the Reader now judg who is guilty of confusion and blindness Baily And after thy confused Prayer p. 11. to Christ in thee and to Christ in the Heavens and by and in the Spirit as thou thoughtest thâ— sayest several weeks was I in this trouble making my Condition known to no one because I would not be perswaded to any thing but did wholly rely upon the inward instruction of the Lord Thus did my hope perish How did thou rely upon the inward instruction of the Spirit when thou prayed in that confused manner as aforesaid Consider it Reply He did rely upon them in the same way as the ignorant Quaker doth for he was one at that time and so this Lord was no other than the Light within and the instructions of the Lord that he speaks of no other but the Dictates of Nature No wonder he wandred Nature will not teach the right way of Prayer neither can 〈◊〉 will it shew that the Father through the Mediator Jesus is to Worshipped All may see by this what darkness ye be in in your â—â—ship and what Confusion and that you follow the dictates of 〈◊〉 Light of Nature and leave the Instructions of the Spirit in the Holy Scriptures It 's very lately a Quaker acknowledged she Worshipped Christ within and being ashamed of what she had spoke afterwards said she Worshipped Christ without also May not we say â—â— worship ye know not what Baily Did any ever rely upon the inward Instructions of the Lord and their hope perish Bring one Example for this Reply The Hypocrites hope will perish and every one that makes not Christ Jesus God and Man his Hope is a Hypocrite â— Tim. 1.1 Which is our Hope The inward Instructions of the Spirit lead to this Jesus Christ God and Man and whoever depends upon them in the 〈◊〉 of hearing the Word preached and reading the Scripture For the Spirit teacheth in the Use of these means their hopes shall be strengthned But this dependance was only as he thought upon the spirits teachings That expression viz. As I thought should be taâ—â—n in here But he was mistaken in that they were but Natures Dictates he was guided by when the Spirit came that led him to Christs Righteousness from his own And an Example as thou demandest I give thee in this same Case in Paul before his Conversion Acts 26 2â— I verily thought with my self that I ought to do many things contrary to 〈◊〉 Name of Jesus of Nazareth He had the Light within at this time be thought this his Duty to Act against this Religion he rested in his Law-Righteousness he surely would have answered any that would have blamed him that he did all by the inward Instructions of the Lord for he followed his Light he verily thought c. it 's said yet in that State of Law-Righteousness his Hope perished Baily Thou sayest thou had'st peace of Conscience by the powerful work of God without thee Is this like Scripture-Language Reply Yea the Spirit doth every-where testify what the young Man instanceth in there viz. That the Fathers preparing a Body for Christ was the Work of the Omnipotent Power of God sixteen hundred years since his bearing sins in that Body and the Curse of the Law his dying in that Body and yet could not be held of Death but rose again God's upholding him in and through all those things was the wonderful work of God without us before thou and I and this young Man had our beings Let the Reader take notice that In Pag. 42. Baily acknowledgeth this that here he snarles at his Woâ—â— are viz. We deny not the Work of God and Christ without And likewise doth not the young Man own a work within This Doctrine he saith was manifest to him in the Spirit that was within surely His next Words are viz. Working Faith in me by this I had Peâ—s of Conscience All this was within Yet all this Work was not the Righteousness that justified him but that was by the powerful work without us in giving Christ for us Near the end of pag. 41. He threatens the young Man with trouble and concludes thus Baily The Lord hath spoke it Reply Doth he not pretend to as high an Inspiration as the Apostles And yet in the next Paragraph bewrays himself to be a weak fallible Man in that he saith Baily The Yoke which W. H. calls the burdensome Yoke Reply Whereas it was the young Man himself alone without the least intermedling of mine that gave this Title to the little Book as I have Witness calling that bondage he was in to the Law of Works when a Quaker the Burdensome-Yoke Baily Page 42. But did not the Saints and People of God in all Ages witness their Salvation and Peace of Conscience by the powerful work of God within them Reply Yea We heartily own it and the young Man owns it as before And thou art in this page and the next about a needless work none denying this If withal thou wilt but say that these Saints and People of God had some things within them of another Nature than the Light that every Man hath that did thus work in them which did still lead them forth to glory in the personal Righteousness of Jesus Christ for their Justification Therefore the first Scripture speaks for us not against us Baily 2 Cor. 4.6 God who commanded the Light to shine out of Darkness hath shined into our hearts Reply It appears by this plainly that they had not this Knowledg by any Light before but by some Light super-added and shining into them It
those that are chose in him Is the Light within the Elect Seed Then it must be saved yet it goeth to Hell with many how comes that to 〈◊〉 But ye lose your selves for want of found knowledg and sound 〈◊〉 you speak you know not what following your Teachers 〈◊〉 chusing to use them rather than Scripture-Language The four next lines I have Answered before in the Body of the Book 〈◊〉 in the last line of the 55 Page thou callest it the Light of the Son of 〈◊〉 and a little before The Son of God and Elect-Seed See thy â—onsistency Mary Which he hath given for a Leader to his people to lead out of all 〈◊〉 into all Truth And those that have followed the Lord fully and â—â—â—thfully therein have found Life and Salvation According to that 〈◊〉 he shall save his people from their sins not in their sins Answ What an Efficacy hath Error upon the minds of poor people when the Lord hath given them up to blindness of heart How 〈◊〉 thou call the Light within every Man The Leader of the people which is applyed to Christ's Person in the Prophets who leadeth 〈◊〉 people by his Spirit in the use of the Holy Scriptures Is Nature â—me the Leader Fallen blind Nature the Captain of your Salvation What tumbling into Ditches must there then needs be What a â—phetess art thou in Israel to say likewise that this Light is Jesus 〈◊〉 therefore had that Name given it as it was to be born of Mary His 〈◊〉 shall be called Jesus for he shall save his people from their sins So 〈◊〉 why not Emanuel as well God with as in us God have merâ—â— on thee It 's Recorded in History that when some malevolent Spirits 〈◊〉 a mind to make disturbance in the Nation in the absence of the 〈◊〉 their treasonable way was to set up a Counterfeit to whom 〈◊〉 would give the Name of him that had Right to the Crown Thus 〈◊〉 Quakers do give all the Names Titles Attributes to the Light 〈◊〉 every Man that is but Nature that this way they might lift 〈◊〉 into the Throne of God Which is desperate Treason against Christ the Lord. Whose Glory he will not give to another Mary And therefore come down out of that high and lofty Spirit and 〈◊〉 that which convinceth thee of sin For all that will not how thereâ—â— will be broken thereby Answ The Law of Moses is greater than the Light that every Man â—â—th It will shew more sin in Man than the Light can Rom. 7. 〈◊〉 not known sin but by the Law But to make the Law of Moses Jesus Christ would be an intoleraâ—ble thing But it 's a higher villanie to make Nature to be the Christ 〈◊〉 to be be worshipped as here thou dost At the Name of Jesus every Knee shall bow Phil. 2. 10. To the Law in my Conscience I have been faithful in 〈◊〉 drive me to Christ the Mediator By the Law is the Knowledg of 〈…〉 is this or the Light within every Man That Jesus that every 〈◊〉 must bow to Doth either the Law or the Light within convince of 〈◊〉 in order to drive to it self as the Saviour O what darkness is 〈◊〉 Christ and none but he is that Stone that whoever trusts not to 〈◊〉 be broken to pieces Mary There is not an easier way unto Life for thee than there 〈◊〉 for us Answ The Scripture saith Luke 13.24 Many shall seek to 〈◊〉 and shall not be able Many of the Jews did strive but missed 〈◊〉 they sought it as it were by the Works of the Law Rom. 9. 〈◊〉 as the Gentiles that followed not after Righteousness did attain to 〈◊〉 Righteousness of Faith You Quakers go the same way with the Pharisees I know thâ— Christ Jesus is the only way the Veil of his Flesh Faith in this 〈◊〉 10. He that confesseth with his Mouth the Lord Jesus and believeth 〈…〉 heart that God hath raised him from the dead shall be saved The Spirit make this way short and easie The work of the Law upon my Conscience hath compelled me to this way And this is the way for 〈…〉 you will be saved He that believeth not shall be damned Exceâ— Believe saith Christ that I am He ye shall die in your sins 〈◊〉 8. 24. Mary And yet we have no Cause to complain of a burdensome Yoke or that the Lord is a hard Master For the Yoke of Christ is easie and 〈◊〉 Burden is Light Answ Following the Dictates of Nature is not the Yoke of Christ for it leads into the Covenant of Works which is a heavy-Yoke 〈◊〉 work for Life And ye are under it And as many as are of the 〈◊〉 of the Law are under a Curse Galat. 3.10 Only you relieve your 〈◊〉 with that which is false As thou mayest see pag. 56. viz. that â—â—ons to evil within us are not sin if not consented to And so 〈◊〉 interpret the Law as the Pharisees that thought they kept it 〈…〉 they broke not out into external sins Christ is no hard Master For he gives strength to do that which he commands But the Light of nature is not our Master as it is yours For we call no thing nor person Master but Christ Jesus to teach us by his Spirit Mary And do not flatter thy self with vain hopes of our fall For the 〈◊〉 look for that shall perish in their holes 〈…〉 My hopes are that your Errors shall be blasted that every which the Father hath not planted shall be plucked up by the Roots This Hope shall not be in vain If I live not in the Body to see it yet 〈◊〉 be If the Tares which the Envious one hath sown grow till the 〈◊〉 they shall then be weeded out and thrown into the Fire The â—ture speaks it And now it is sufficiently manifest to all the Counâ—â— that there are great Errors amongst you You have been weighed 〈◊〉 found too light tryed and found dross 〈◊〉 For we are built upon the Rock of Ages and though the storm â—ction beat on one hand and the raging Sea which casts up mire and in the other hand yet shall we stand for our foundation is immoveable the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against us Answ O that ye were built upon Christ the Rock His Person is Rock of Eternity not the Light that is in every Man but the of Man Christ Jesus This is the foundation the Apostles laid and 〈◊〉 can any of Right lay But ye have gone about to lay another 〈◊〉 your building is according to the foundation You may hold out in an hour of Mans Persecution and Opposition but 〈◊〉 the Tempestuous Sea of Gods Justice beats upon you and his bilâ— go over you and the Whirlwind of his fiery indignation â—â—eth upon you in an hour of Death and in the day of Eternal â—â—â—gment to come the Sandy foundation of your own Righteousness â—all and great will be the fall O the sad disappointments of 〈◊〉
9.24 And to bring in everlasting Righteousness prophecying of the Messiahs coming in the flesh he saith Seventy weeks were to be accomplished to make reconciliation for iniquity atoning justice by being cut off vers 25. not for himself then it was to be and not till then not before he offered not himself before Heb. 9.26 But now once in the end of the World hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself Abraham David Paul none of them brought in this Righteousness was Paul crucified for you 1 Cor. 11.3 yet is this Righteousness an everlasting Righteousness the working of it was now and fulfilling of it in his person taking flesh upon him but yet everlasting in that it was first the Righteousness that the Father had from eternity designed Secondly the Righteousness of the eternal word Thirdly a Righteousness of an eternal virtue and efficacy Fourthly a Righteousness that remained forever where-ever it is imputed Fiftly a Gift never by God repented of Therefore it is very frivolous and arguâ—s nothing but that thou wantest matter to fill thy paper with to cavil in this wise as if it could enter into my thoughts that any either before or after were saved but by vertue of this Righteousness when-as against Papists Socinians Quakers I am pleading that all those I named viz. Abraham David Ezra Daniel Job Isaiah had no Righteousness that would save them but this because the other Righteousness they had in them was imperfect as appears by their Confession of sin and God will accept of nothing but what is intirely and absolutely perfect As to that Micah 5. I cannot find the word everlasting but only in the vers 2. where it is thus written whose goings forth have been of old from everlasting which is certainly spoke as to Christ's Deity for his coming forth from Bethlehem was in time there mentioned and then did he bring in and fulfil and not till then this Righteousness that I am speaking of In the fulness of time God sent his Son Gal. 3. Behold I come to do thy will A Body hast thou prepared me Heb. 10. J. C. pag. ibid. We Believe Salvation only by that Jesus which witnessed a good Confession before Pontius Pilate Answ This is a good Confession if only by him then not by the light within for that is not Jesus that witnessed before Pontius Pilate if only by him exclusive of all things else then not by the Vertues Gifts and Graces of the Spirit for they are not Jesus that witnessed amp c. J. C. pag. 10. For Answer to the Heathens Knowledg of God's Vengeance and sight in the Deity I refer the Reader to the Reply to the young Mens Book Answ I shall also defer my Answer in full till I come to that only say that I find you Brethren in iniquity in abusing so grosly my words If you do it not with purpose and design then you be more ignorant than School-Boys If designedly it is Jesuite-like my words are these viz. They saw speaking of that Barbarous people in the Deity a Vengeance ready to punish Now would not a Boy of seven years of Age take it thus viz. They saw a Vengeance ready to punish sin in the Deity i. e. to be in the Deity and thou with thy Brother makes this phrase viz. in the Deity to be the modus of their seeing the Vengeance when-as before I said that God had Justice in him there is the Subject of it the very Light of Nature sheweth there is the way and manner of their seeing it not as you say and make use of it as a Concession for your turns sight in the Deity i. e. Light that was in their Consciences believing the Light to be God himself O horrid Blasphemy you would make me speak-like your selves I believe no other Light in those Heathens but that of Nature and this was not the Deity But 〈◊〉 the Reader take notice that J. C. wholly passeth over this Paragraph concerning that of Christ's Righteousness as indeed he doth the other two before which consists in his sufferings and making satisfaction and not a word unto that Vengeance that is naturally in God lest he should discover himself to be a Socinian Oh for a little plainness from this people for if this be true that God hath a Vengeance in him and that naturally his Nature engageth to punish sin and all have sinned I would know how all the Righteousness of meer Man will or can atone this but I had like to have omitted something material J. C. pag. ibid. But for thy own knowledg of it I find thee like the Pharisees of old casting all God's Vengeance upon Christ an easie way of thou could'st so escape it by imagining his doing and suffering God's pleasure to be reckoned thine by a bare belief of it wholly without thee Answ I do not understand thee help me herein I pray thee how the Pharisees did cast all God's Vengeance upon Christ as a way to escape the wrath to come Mat. 3.7 I never read this or heard of it It is written who hath warned you to fly from the wrath to come and that followes bring forth Fruit meet for Repentance so then they having some convictions upon their Consciences and apprehensions of wrath through John's Ministry betake themselves to the Baptism of John believing that an External submission to this would be sufficient to 〈◊〉 their Consciences in the mean while being destitute of any inward change of heart or any real Holiness in their lives and all this while had no whit of Faith in Jesus Christ which is always accompanied with true Repentance as the beginning of it These Pharisees were very ignorant of Christ if not altogether they were Vipers John calls them so they placed their Religion in their carnal kindred to Abraham v. 9. and were Chaff to be burnt up v. 12. yet thou dost make their Faith as good as the Faith of any of the Godly in the Nation my Knowledg of the Vengeance of God is this which I express in the Epistle if it should rest upon thee or me or any of the Sons of Mâ—â— or all Mankind it would burn to the neithermost Hell Therefore having felt something of it in my Conscience in the sence of Sin and knowing more of it was due to me for my sins I fly by Faith which the Spirit works in me by the hearing the Gospel to Jesus Christ 〈◊〉 be delivered from this wrath to come 1 Thess 1.10 believing through Grace that all that Vengeance and Wrath that was due to me for transgression was upon that person Jesus my Surety in my stead and room and though thou dost scurrilously call the Faith we have Imagining yet this is the Faith of God's Elect Isai 53. The Chastisement of our Peace was upon him which we should have born in the same kind v. 7. the right reading of it is it was exacted and he answered and whoever believes not thus
shall find wrath in his Conscience if his judgment be not intoxicated with error as thine is I perceive this by what thoâ— sayest here that thou hast but tasted very scantly of the wrath of God in thy Conscience otherwise thou wouldest not have such slighting thoughts of it as to apprehend it to be atoned any other way than by Christ's bearing it who sweat drops of Blood under it and thy unacquaintedness with the Nature of Faith in that thou callest it an easie way Ah John what meanest thou to turn the scoffer like Julian do the Saints find it an easie way who are crying out daily Lord help or unbelief but it is such an easie way that you poor Creatures have not hit of it nay you will fully despise and scorn it I doubt Ah J. C. here thou stumblest at the Cross of Christ and art leavened in thy mind with Hellish Socinianism the dirt will out at length John here thou art plainly ashamed of the Cross of Christ dares not own that the wrath of God was upon Christ Oh Repent John of the thoughts of thy heart and let that Scripture convince thee Gal. 3. He was made a Curse for us c. whatever thou dost pretend afterwards in thy Lines concerning Christ's sufferings the enlightned Reader will know by this that it 's but to blind the People In the last place thou sayest in the same Paragraph by a bare Belief of it wholly without that which thou calledst before an Imagining here thou callest Belief and 〈◊〉 Belief what wouldest thou John have more than Faith here thou discoverest thy self to be a Papist Oh what a bundle of Rottenâ—â—â—â— is Quakerism thou wouldest have Works to justifie us Faith only if not sufficient against which error the Protestants thou knowest have â—â—â—â—â—nded Rom. 4. He that worketh not but Believeth there is Faith only 〈◊〉 Belief John what sayest thou to that though that Faith that is justifying will work by Love yet it receives no efficacie from its being accompanied with Works as to our Justification but from the Object without how sad is it that every Truth must be struck at by a 〈◊〉 sort of Papists J. C. Here we differ in our account I say according to Dan. 9.24 â—king of Christ pag. 16 to finish Transgression and to make an end 〈◊〉 sin and to make Reconciliation for Iniquity and to bring in everlasting Righteousness c. I know and believe Salvation by the imputed 〈◊〉 and real everlasting Righteousness of Jesus Christ brought 〈◊〉 Answ Enough if thou wast but real in thy expressions let us turn 〈◊〉 on every side it is likely the cheat may be found out if thou art 〈◊〉 what then means thy arguing against my asserting Imputation and taking up most of my Arguments for it pretending to Answer them what a Knave is he that will pretend kindness to my dear Friend whom I love and profess friendship to him and in the mean-while go about to wound him and stab him to the heart if thou art real in this for Imputed Righteousness when I charged Penn for calling it a Doctrine of Devils why didst thou instead of bearing thy Testimonie against him call upon me to Answer his Arguments for 〈◊〉 if thou be for it why dost thou not Preach it and thy Brethren 〈◊〉 are contradicting it in all your Meetings there is no end of thy dissembling it is a professed Trade thou drives as the Mountebancks up and down the Country But proceed we what may we understand by this word Imputed which he acknowledgeth Why one of your Gang can tell us James Naylor Love to the Lost pag. 7. and with him his Righteousness is freely imputed or put into the Creature so now we have his sence Imputed Righteousness is Righteousness put into the Creature 1. That spotless Manhood of Christ 2. His active Obedience all the holy Actions of his Life 3. All the Sufferings of Christ for herein we say by the Righteousness of Christ All these are put into every Quaker and so in this sence not imputing Trespasses is God's not putting them into us I cannot omit another Testimonie from another Doctor of them Smith Cat. pag. 64. and 12. We believe that Christ in us doth offer 〈◊〉 himself a Living Sacrifice to God for us by which the Wrath and Justice of God is appeased towards us Salvation then by Imputed Righteousness you must understand Christ offering up of himself in us in the Quakers sence and so appeasing Gods Wrath. The other word Reckoned is not thus that what Christ as a Surety hath paid down for me in his Obedience is accounted as if I had paid it as we say and that truly but according to the other it must be as mony in a Man 's own purse there told and reckoned which he hath to pay to God at any time when he demands not needing any to pay it for him Real thou 〈◊〉 as if there was no reality in the Act of God reckoning and imputing Righteousness but by this and by the other thou understandest in opposition to the Faith of God's Elect which thou callest Imagination 〈◊〉 it is something more and better than what is received by Faith that is not to thee a Real Righteousness The other word is brought nigh well then it is too far off thee if thou have it no other way than by Faith I had thought that Faith had been the substance of things hoped for that by Faith Christ dwelt in our hearts and that there had been a reality in God's Acts of imputing that what God Reckoned to Abraham had been very Real for he was really saved Thou mistrusted God John But the sum of all is this viz. The Light within Obedience to that is this imputed reckoned real Righteousness of Christ For the Light is Christ Remember Fox the younger's Testimony before he speaks of the Light what it would do if obeyed I will forgive all their Iniquities c. and hear the Old Fox Bark Christ being within there is justification Mystery pag. 49. J. C. pag. ibid. Which in the fulness of Time was manifest in and 〈◊〉 him and in due time was really made mine by the Work and Application 〈…〉 Spirit in my inward parts Answ This is true plainly understood as spoken But if a Man be caught stealing and cheating once or twice he is greatly suspected when ever he is dealt with We have thee tardy John frequently and now no trusting of thee Thou only steals the good and wholsom words that have been used by us that thou mayest make thy putrid errors go off the better Thou hast learned to dress that Strumpet Quakerism up in a more modest sober attire than thy Brethren that so she may be taken for a chast Matron Now let me explain what we understand by this viz. That Righteousness that was manifest in Christ and by Christ in the fulness of Time it was that which I have already distanced in viz. 1.
other Men. Reply That Scripture John 1.9 which thou bringest will not prove this viz. That every one that cometh into the World is lighted i. e. savingly by the Light of Christ for that Phrase cometh into the World hath reference to that Word Christ not the Word Man as appears by another Scripture John 12.46 I am come a Light into the World so that it 's said this Was the true Light having Respect to the person of Christ taking Flesh thus coming into the World he was the greatest Light and brought the greatest Light that ever was by his Preaching working Miracles giving the Spirit but saith not here that he is the Light in every one Now the other viz. that Lighteth every Man this cannot be meant universally of every individual Man or Woman in the World because many at that day were in darkness v. 5. The Light shined in darkness but the darkness comprehended it not Christ was among them yet they were darkness and they cannot be said to have a saving Light in them and yet be called darkness for then their state would be changed from darkness to Light Again the Apostles are the Light of the World will it therefore follow that all the Heathens and every one was Lighted within by them that they were that Light within that every Man hath It s said of Paul warning eâ—every Man and teaching every Man Col. 1.28 did Paul warn every individual Man and Woman in the World That Christ as a Creator doth give some kind of Light to every one may be granted to thee but not as a saving Light that must be as a Mediator thou must seek another Scripture It 's at hand Baily Titus 2. If the Grace of God which brings Salvation hath appeared to all Men then it appeared to the Heathens for they were Men. Reply It should have been said in the last Proposition viz. to all the Heathens to the Heathens it did for many of them were converted by the Preaching of the Gospel but what is this to thy purpose the Light in every Man cannot be called the Grace of God in that I proved it to be a Natural Light before But withal how camest thou to be so mistaken if thou hadst minded the Margin it would have corrected the reading but thou wast not willing it is not so in the Greek as thou reads it viz. hath appeared to all Men neither ought it to be rendred in the translation but thus the Greek hath it The Grace of God that bringeth Salvation to all Men hath appeared this then will not effect thy business yet unless thou wilt say that this bringing Salvation to all Men will do it but if Salvation be brought to every individual then every one is saved surely then it was only to every one that was saved by it The Third Argument of Bayly is W. H. calls it the Deity Ergo. This is a notorious falshood it 's well if not maliciously perverting my plain words I have given a fair account of it in my Answer to Crook Pag. here thou acts not according to the Light to do as thou wouldst be dealt withal The Fourth Argument is drawn from the Fruits of this Tree which thou Blasphemously calls the Tree of Life which should be spoke of the Person of Christ He and He only is the Tree of Life The young Man saith the Light that every Man hath is not the Light of the Spirit of Christ i. e. Of Regeneration and Faith because of it's Fruits which were these three 1. It taught that the first motions to evil arising in the heart if not consented to were not sin 2. That the Doctrine of Justification was a Doctrine of Libertinism 3. That Salvation was by our own Righteousness Now thou speakest not a word here to this corrupt Fruit that sprang from that which thou callest the Tree of Life but let us hear what the Fruits are as thou sayest Baily 1. Thou sayest It assented to the word of Christ and his Apostles therefore it must be the Spirit of Christ Reply The Devil did assent to the words of the Scripture it will follow then according to thy Arguing which I may not write 2. It doth not assent to all the Scripture which the Spirit of Christ doth for it taught him contrary as you may see in these three things 3. It assented only to the Abstaining from outward Evils which foolish talking and jesting were which it may do and yet not be the Spirit of the Son as I will make appear plainly in the Answer to thy next proof 2. Fruit. It convinced him of Evil and let us joyn the four following to this for they are all of the same nature 3. Kept him from stealing 4. From Lying that of few words was spoke to before 5. From doing any wrong outwardly sinning outwardly 6. It gave him strength and power to do that which was good in the sight of God and Men. Reply In this last passage thou greatly wrongs the young Man and in that other likewise viz. and delivered him from it his words are that he had power over Evil and was delivered but not that this Light within gave him the Power but let it go as thou wouldest have it what from all these therefore is thy conclusion It is the Spirit of Truth the Comforter that leads into all Truth pag. 30. Reply Then had Judas the Spirit of Truth that leadeth into all Truth the Comforter for the was convinced of sin and so the most wicked Man under Heaven hath sometimes convictions for sin 2. Then the young Rich Man had the Spirit of Truth the Comforter for he could say touching the commands of the Law All these have I done So had Paul before his Conversion while a Persecutor and Blasphemer for at that time he could say of himself touching the Law blameless Phil. 3. likewise by this Reasoning of thine the Pharisee had the Spirit the Comforter that thanked God he was not as others nor as the Publican Luke 18. it 's said Matth. 12.44 of the Jews that they were swept and garnished yet Satan entred outward Reformation of Life doth not evince the Spirit 's indwellings 7. Fruit. He had Joy Peace and Comfort in obeying the Light Therefore it is the Comforter the Spirit of Truth Reply Then had Paul the Comforter the Spirit of Truth before his Conversion Rom. 7.9 I was alive without the Law once What is that But that he had Peace before he came to have the Spiritual Knowledg of the Law convincing him that desires after evil though not consented to were sin 2. If all Peace was true then this Fruit would argue it to be the Spirit of Christ but all Peace is not right good true else why doth Christ say my Peace I leave with you John 14. and the Apostle speaks of the Peace of God that passeth all understanding c. 3. There can be no Good Conscience nor true Peace without Faith in the
Resurrection of Jesus Christ 1 Pet. 3.21 The Answer of a good Conscience through the Resurrection of Jesus Christ no Man can rightly Answer the accusation of his Conscience for not coming up to that absolute Perfection that the Law requireth but by Faith in the Resurrection of Jesus Christ who rose again for our Justification Rom. 4.25 Now one may have the Light within which you speak of and yet want Faith and this young Man it 's manifest had one at this time but wanted the other therefore his Peace was naught 4. Withal if this will hold many ungodly ones most prophane have the Spirit the Comforter for they have Peace both living and dying Psal 73. There are no bands in their Death and they say Peace in their Lives 1 Thes 5. They stretch themselves upon their Couches and Châ—unt at the sound of the Viol Amos 6.4 5. I read on page 31 and meet with nothing but the same over again which the Judicious Reader will take notice of till we come to that passage viz. That there is 〈◊〉 name under Heaven by which Men can be saved observe this is the second time of Baylies Blasphemy applying this to the Light within every man that is no more than Nature which can be attributed to none but Jesus Christ the Mediator calling it also the Deliverer and Counsellor from Isa 59. as well mightest thou call the Soul Reason Understanding of Man by these Names And whereas thou askest in this same place is there any other Spirit and Light which can deliver from sin and give power over it but what is of Jesus Christ Reply The young Man never owned this Light to deliver from and give power over sin as thou here intimates nay the scope of his Relation speaks the contrary and in the 17. Page he saith in the greatest of his purity and perfection there were longing desires after evil which he could be delivered from no manner of ways Observe Reader how these people make lies their refuge to defend their tottering Opinions if any deliverance it was only in externals Lust had as much power within as ever and this as hath been shewn may be had without the Spirit of Regeneration viz. external Reformation Before I conclude this let the Reader observe that Baylies Question runs thus viz. Any Spirit but what is of Christ why the Light of the Sun is of Christ the Wind is of Christ as a Creator is it therefore the Spirit of Regeneration proceeding from Christ as Mediator No surely But again in one place that we mentioned he calls the Light within the Tree of Life and in another a little before the Name whereby all must be saved the Deliverer and the Counsellor now here only of Christ a Spirit of Christ see what consistency is in these Mens lines Bayly Is it not the Light of Christ that makes sin manifest mentioing Ephes 5 Reply What Passage it is that thou hast thine eye upon I know not except the 13. Whatsoever makes manifest is Light Now this is true of all kinds and sorts of Lights they all make manifest but they act according to their several Natures yet Christ is the Author of them all the Light of the Sun will not make sin manifest yet another Light will the Quakers Light that every Man hath will manifest some sin but not all and it appears by the young Mans Relation for it will not shew desires to evil to be sin if they be not consented to according to what Paul doth testify in Rom. 7. I had not known sin but by the Law So then this Light thou pointest to in Ephes 5. was of â—nother sort in that all things were reproved by it and in that it was but lately bellowed on the Ephesians not having it before for in ver 8. Ye were sometimes darkness notwithstanding all the Light within that they had from the Womb. Bayly And doth not the Apostle say in that same place v. 8 9. the Fruit of the Spirit is in all Goodness Righteousness and Truth Reply By what I said before the Spirit spoke of in Ephes 5. is not the Light that every Man hath for they were darkness all that time they had that till Faith came This spoke of in the Ephesians was the Spirit of Grace Faith Adoption Regeneration the Spirit of the Son now the Root being different the Fruit must be different this Goodness Righteousness and Truth must be and is of another better sort and kind than that which yet is called by the same names springing from another Root viz. the Light that every Man hath B. And doth not W. H. Say it is the Spirit that maketh known 〈◊〉 which was not seen before then whenever any seeth sin it is the Spirit that makes it known and puts this word viz. Mark to it as a thing that he is happy in the hitting upon it and that what he saith is convincing and unanswerable Reply Now Reader see how acute this Man is in catching one in an Argument and holding one fast in it what a formidable Enemy I have to deal with This was spoke by me you may see in the sixth page of the little Book upon that Scripture viz. He shall Baptizâ— you with the Holy Ghost and with fire Luke 3.16 Saying that the Spirit did operate after the manner of Fire i. e. by Light and Heat As to the Light the Spirit maketh known sin when it cometh thou shouldest have repeated that Phrase and then said Mark but as often as thou reâ—eaâ—edst this thou ever omittedst that phrase is this fair play It followes as the shining of the Sun through a Crack into a dark Room we may behold every small dust within that compass these are the words 〈◊〉 let me reason with thee a little every one hath the Light within you grant but is every one Baptized with the Holy Ghost and Fire is it not such a Spirit spoke of here wherewith every one is Baptized that is regenerated and none else which cometh to us at that time and worketh and dwelleth in us and we had it not before a Spirit that will shew the dust and. Atoms of sin and lust in our Souls which this Light that every one hath will not I will pass over and take no notice of thy railing Words that thou art full of here and elsewhere but the Conclusion will hold still which thou art angry with viz. That the Spirit of the Quakers is a Spirit of delusion and let the Reader 〈◊〉 by our Lives whether thou or I are more like the clamorous Woman thou speakest of I must desire the Reader to turn back to the 27th Page there is something that Bayly saith which I cannot well omit to speak something to it 's that which this Man doth frequently touch upon and his Brother 〈◊〉 I could not well Reply to it before because I would take all the objections I could gather and Answer them in order Bayly And yet he