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A70985 The reign of the whore discovered and her ruine seen her merchants the priests examined, and with the Romish church (their elder sister) compared and found agreeable in many things ... : some queries also for those people that pay tythes, and priests that receive tythes, to consider and answer : and whereas their cry hath been loud against us the people of God called Quakers, that we are Jesuits, and Jesuitical, in tryal they are found false accusers, and of the same stock and generation themselves ... : also the sustance of a dispute which was the 15th day of the 2d month, called April 1659, at the Bridge-house in Southwark, between VVilliam Cooper, VVilliam VVhitaker, Thomas VVoodsworth, VVieles, Watkins, Cradicut, and others who profess themselves ministers of Christ, and some of the people call'd Quakers ... / written in that which gives to see over all the popish train ... W.S. Smith, William, d. 1673.; Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. Following letter containing the substance of the dispute. 1659 (1659) Wing S204A; ESTC R33983 31,593 40

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to be Deceivers and false Teachers and of Antichrist and your fruits and works doth manifest it and thereby do we know you not to be the Ministers of Christ but false Teachers as I have said And whereas you affirmed your selves to be Ministers of Christ and went about to prove it by your Arguments of invented Logick and the substance and intent of your first Argument was Those that have the Characters and Signs upon them spoken of in 1 Tim. 3. are Ministers of Christ but you have those Signs and Characters upon you and therefore You are Ministers of Christ Ans. Now this Scripture which you have mentioned for proof of your Ministry when you are truly laid to the line and measure thereof will prove that you are not true Ministers for you are not thus qualified in your Spirits and Conversation as this Scripture doth signifie but the contrary fruits and effects doth appear from you then is set down in this Scripture Are you blameless in your conversations And are you sober and of good behaviour and given to Hospitality and apt to teach And are you not given to Wine and filthy Lucre And are you patient not brawlers nor covetous And are you not lifted up with pride And are you of good report And do you hold the mysterie of faith in a pure conscience These things were required to be in the Ministers of Christ and have you these characters and are you such as is here spoken of And have you these fruits and marke upon you now are you to be tried and and I am searching your own proof whether it holds sound to confirm that for which you brought it No it is manifest by your fruits according to your own proof that you are men of another generation and are bringing forth fruits and works clean contrary to them whom the Apostle allows of for Ministers For you are not blamelesse nor sober nor of good behaviour for you are guilty of the pride and vanity of this world and live in envy and bitternesse and so not blamelesse nor sober nor of good behaviour neither apt to teach for you want the Spirit that was in the Apostles and you cannot speak as that Spirit gives you utterance but you speak from humane study and what you have gathered from other mens works and many of you are given to wine and strong drink and are greedy of filthy lucre and sue men at Law for wages and remove from one place to another for more means and for greater hire and this is covetousnesse and greedinesse of filthy lucre which you to wit genrally the Priests are known to be guilty of through the whole Land and ye have an ill report to be covetous men and proud men and ambitious and self-seeking men this report you have of many that are without and the poore unconverted people they know you to be guilty of these things and your Consciences are not pure neither do ye hold the mysterie of faith in it but your consciences are defiled with the evil and sinfull practises of this wicked world and that faith that you professe is not the true faith that the Apostles had which gave them victory over the world and over all sinne for you are in the pollutions of the world unsanctified and the guilt of sinne lies upon you these things are true as the Witness in your own consciences may testifie● so that your own proof and evidence hath condemned you and the Scripture by which you thought to prove your selves Ministers of Christ it hath turn'd upon your own heads and manifested the contrary and though you have said you were qualified according to that Scripture and therefore you were called into the mini●st● and were the true Ministers yet the contrary is discovered and that you are qualified by a contrary spirit and have the marks and characters upon you not of the true ministers of Christ but of 〈◊〉 spoken of in 2 Tim. 3. and according to that sort of false Teachers are you qualified and therefore in Practice and conversation you do not agree with the Apostles but are different and contrary to them and are according to the false Teachers and false Apostles and with them you do agree in spirit and in practice in many things And as to your call to the Ministry you are not able to make any good proof thereof at all nor did not at that time but some of them did deny that the anointing the unction of the holy Spirit was necessary unto the Ministry and this was the Argument That all things were mentioned for the qualification of a Minister in that 1 Tim. 3. but the holy unction is not mentioned therefore the unction of the spirit is not necessary to the Ministry Answer Something was spoken to this before as to shew the ignorance of it and the wickednesse of this Argument and some of you were partly ashamed of it your selves and had not the man and you been vvholly ignorant and blind this would never have proceeded from amongst you and are you like to be Ministers of Christ who hath asserted That the spirit of God and the anointing is not necessary to the ministry Was ever the like ignorance uttered by any before you even your Fathers the Friars at Rome would be ashamed of you herein to utter such dark and ignorant assertions Is this your Learning and your wise Logick to prove the anointing unnecessary to the ministry and such ministers we believe are you that have not the holy unction of the spirit but are ministers of the letter and by the will of man and not by the spirit nor of the spirit and so your call is not the same as was the Apostles but contrary to them and different from them so that we cannot own you to be ministers of Christ for ye are different and contrary to them both in your call and in your conversations And though you seemed to deny to be made ministers by your Learning and Education yet it is manifest that through that you received the ministry through the attainments of such Arts and Sciences and at last you came to attain to the Office of Ministers as you say and it was not by the call of the spirit nor by the gift of the holy Ghost for that you have in part denied and saith the unction is not necessary to the Ministry so it is but your hypocrisie to deny that you are made Ministers by your natural learning for we know that thereby onely and without the Gift of the Holy Ghost did you attain to that Ministry which now you hold cannot convert sinners to God nor turn the wicked from his evil way for it answers not the testimony of God in people but people remains always blind and ignorant under it and you go on dreaming for carnal ends unto your selves seeking for your hire and for your gain and therefore we do deny that you are true Ministers of Christ for you
whom you her Merchants have built your Ships and set up your Trade by the Authority of the Beast which rose out of the same place the Whore sate on He that hath Wisdom let him understand I say By the Authority of this Beast who hath seven heads ten horns ten Crowns upon his horns upon his heads the name of Blasphemy unto whom the Dragon gave his power have you and all Parish-Masters and others of the Whores choice Merchants in whole Christendom sate and advanced your Trade above and beyond all the Crafts-mens Trade beside in the whole World And this may appear plain to the view of all people if these few particulars following are considered First You have got a Market-place where none must sell any Wares but your selves though it be never so much better then yours neither must any come into your Market-place to give freely to poor people whose souls are ready to starve for want of the Bread of life notwithstanding they buy of your deceitful Wares Secondly You have had and some of your Brethren still have a compulsive Law to compel and constrain all people within such a compass or quarter to come to your Market-place and buy of you and none other Thirdly Whether those people within such a compass or quarter or parish come to your Market or no or receive any of your Merchandize notwithstanding you will make them pay as much as if they did or else you will take or cause to be taken from them violently it may be three four or five times as much as the price was you first set upon your Commodities Fourthly Though your Merchandize be never so deceitful and insufficient yet none must refuse them neither will you bate of your price and if any come to see the deceitfulness and insufficiency of what you sell at a very deer rate and declare against it that people might not be deceived and defrauded always with deceitful words and devillish Doctrines you wil sue such at the Law for slanderers and get one of the Beasts Horns that hath a Crown upon it to grant you 100. l. damage or some other punishment as whip or prison or banishment or life if ye can get it for the Whore loves blood and so doth her Merchants and children Fifthly Another thing that makes your Trade exceed all the Crafts-mens Trade beside in the whole World is That when poor people have bought your Merchandize and paid you or at least are liable to pay you you take them home again in your Pockets or Bibles or Note-Books and lay them up in your Ware-house to wit your Liberary and as you see occasion and opportunity you carry them to Market again and they wil yeild you as much as they did at the first and yet after you have sold your Imagery Work over and over you can trim it and dress it a little and put the title Doctor of Divinity to it or Batchellor of Divinity or Mr. William or Mr. John such a one Ministers of God's Word at such a Church in such a place and find a Chapman some Bookseller or Printer or other to give you money for it Much like this might be mentioned but this is sufficient to let all people which are not quite blind see wherein this whores Merchants trade exceeds all other Arts Crafts and Trades in the whole world And also the reason may here be seen wherefore these Parish-Masters and others of Mystery Babylons Merchants strives and petition that their trade may be upheld even in this Nation under this notion Propagate or hold up the Gospel when if they would speak as they mean it is thus Propagate hold up or maintain our Mothers Authority by which Authority we have had a good trade a great while and our profits hath been great and our incombs sure and let the Romish Churches our elder Sisters her Institutions Ordinations Customs Manners Practices and Places stand else we shal have no certain Trade for if we lose our Elder Sisters Law which gives us Tythes and that compels people to buy our Gospel we shal be undone peoples hearts are so hard they wil give us little freely though they have been and stil are our Auditors and we have taught them some ten some twenty thirty or forty years yet we are afraid if we lose our elder Sisters Law that those that have been our constant customers would hate us much of our price and those that do not like our Doctrine and Church-discipline and our chargeable Gospel will give us nothing at all is not this the very language of your hearts whose cry is Propagate the Gospel let that which searcheth your hearts and discerns the secret intents thereof the light of Christ in your Consciences answer for the Gospel is Christ the power of God which propagates or holds up all things and 't is ignorance and blasphemy to cry and petition to an arm of flesh to propagate this Gospel but 't is another Gospel that they who have brought it are accursed that wants propagating and this shall all your Merchants of Babylon know in the dreadfull day of the Lord our God when all the blood you have drunk and Tortures and Racks Whips and Prisons Stocks and Inquisitions and other carnal weapons you have used to propagate your Gospel shall rise up in Judgement against you then will ye cry to the Rocks and the Mountains to fall upon you to hide you from the Wrath of the Lamb And now is the wondrfull day at hand wherein the Wolves Bears and Lions shall be afraid and seek to hide themselves from the presence of the Lamb Consider this all ye hirelings that rend and tear and make a prey upon the innocent lambs of Christ for to serve your own bellies and covetous unchristian greedy desires how greatly do you dishonour the name of Christ in calling your selves his Ministers have not you and all your Brethren the Popish Christians in whole Christendome sent an ill savour throughout the Nations and Regions round about you yea and many of those you count heathens shal rise up in judgment against you even against you who have the sheeps cloathing the Prophets words Christs vvords the Apostles words but inwardly ravened from the Spirit of God in your selves and so have appeared devouring wolves and destroyers of the sheeps life scatterers of the flock of God hear the Word of the Lord by the mouth of his Prophet Ezekiel against such as you Wo be to the Shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves should not the shepherds feed the flocks ye eat the fat and ye cloth you with the wool ye kill them that are fed but ye feed not the flock the diseased haue ye not strengthened neither have ye healed that which was sick neither have ye bound up that which was broken neither have ye brought again that which was driven away neither have ye sought that which was lost but with force and with cruelty have ye