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A09453 A reformed Catholike: or, A declaration shewing how neere we may come to the present Church of Rome in sundrie points of religion: and vvherein we must for euer depart from them with an advertisment to all fauourers of the Romane religion, shewing that the said religion is against the Catholike principles and grounds of the catechisme. Perkins, William, 1558-1602. 1598 (1598) STC 19736; ESTC S114478 146,915 390

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can not giue consent vnto them and by naturall indgement approoue of them but contrariwise thinketh them to be foolishnesse III. that no man can giue assent to the things of God vnlesse he be enlightened by the spirit of God And hence I reason thus If a man by nature doth not knowe and perceiue the things of God and when he shall know them can not by nature giue assent vnto them then hath he no power to will them But the first is euidently true Ergo. For first the minde must approoue giue assent before the will can choose or will and when the mind hath not power to conceiue nor giue assent there the will hath no power to will Reason III. Thirdly the holy Ghost auoucheth Eph. 2. ● Colloss 2. 13. that all men by nature are dead in sinnes and trespasses not as the Papists say weak sick or half dead Hence I gather that mā wāteth naturall power not to will simply but freely and franckly to will that which is truly good A dead mā in his graue cannot stirre the least finger because he wāts the very power of life sense motiō no more can he that is dead in sin will the least good nay if he could either will or do any good he could not be dead in sinn And as a dead mā in the graue cānot rise but by the power of God no more can he that is dead in sinne rise but by the power of Gods grace alone without any power of his owne Reason IV. Fourthly in the conversion and saluation of a sinner the scripture ascribeth al to God and nothing to mans freewil Iohn 3. 3. Except a man be borne againe he cannot see the kingdome of God Eph. 2. 10. We are his worekmanship CREATED in Christ Iesus to good workes And c. 4. v. 24. the nevv man is CREATED to the image of God Nowe to be borne againe is a worke of no lesse importance then our first creation and therefore wholly to be ascribed to God as our creation is Indeede Paul Philip. 2. 12. 13. biddeth the Philippians worke out their saluation with feare and trembling not meaning to ascribe vnto them a power of doing good by themselues And therefore in the next verse he addeth It is God that worketh both the will and the deede directly excluding all naturall freewill in things spirituall and yet withall he acknowledgeth that mans will hath a worke in doing that which is good not by nature but by grace Because when God giues man power to will good things then he can will them and when he giueth him a power to doe good then he can doe good and he doth it For though there be not in mans conuersion a naturall cooperation of his will with Gods spirit yet is there a supernaturall cooperation by grace enabling man when he is to be conuerted to will his conuersion according to which S. Paul saith 1. Cor. 15. 10. I haue laboured in the faith but least any man should imagine that this was done by any naturall power therefore he addeth yet not I that is not I by any thing in me but Gods grace in me inabling my will to doe the good I doe Reason V. The iudgement of the auncient Church August The will of the regenerate is kindled onely by the holy Ghost that they may therefore be able because they will thus and they will thus because God VVORKES IN THEM TO VVILL And We haue LOST OVR FREEVVILL to loue God by the greatnes of our sinne Serm. 2. on the words of the Apostle Man when he was created receiue a great strēgth in his freewil but by sinning HE LOST IT Fulgētius God giueth grace freely to the vnvvorthy whereby the wicked man being iustified is inlightened VVITH THE GIFT OF GOOD VVILL and with a FACVLTIE OF DOING GOOD that by mercy preventing him he may BEGIN TO VVILL VVEL and by mercy cōming after he may doe the good he will Bernard saith It is VVHOLLY THE GRACE OF GOD that we are created healed saued Council Arausic 2. cap. 6. To beleeue and to vvill is GIVEN from aboue by INFVSION and inspiration of the holy Ghost More testimonies and reasons might be alleadged to prooue this conclusion but these shall suffice now let vs see what reasons are alledged to the cōtrary III. Obiections of Papists Obiect I. First they alledge that man by nature may doe that which is good therfore will that which is good for none can doe that which he neither willeth nor thinketh to doe but first he must will and then doe Nowe say they men can doe good by nature as giue almes speake the trueth doe iustice and practise other duties of ciuill vertue and therfore will that which is good I ansvver that a naturall man may do good workes for the substance of the outwarde worke but not in regard of the goodnes of the manner these are two diuers things A man without supernaturall grace may giue almes do iustice speake the truth c. which be good things considered in themselues as God hath commanded them but he cannot doe them well To thinke good things and to doe good things are naturall workes but to think good things in a good manner and to doe them well so as God may accept the action done are works of grace And therefore the good thing done by a naturall man is a sinne in respect of the doer because it failes both for his right beginning which is a pure heart good conscience and faith vnfained as also for his ende which is the glory of God Obiect II. God hath commaunded all men to beleeue and repent therefore they haue natural free wil by vertue whereof being helped by the spirit of God they can beleeue and repent Ansvv. This reason is not good for by such commaundements God sheweth not what men are able to doe but what they should do and what they can not doe Againe the reason is not well framed it ought rather to be thus Because God giues men commaundement to repent and beleeue therefore they haue power to repent beleeue either by nature or by grace then we hold with them For when God in the Gospell commaundeth men to repent and to beleeue at the same time by his grace he inableth them both to will or desire to beleeue and repent as also actually to repent and beleeue Obiect III. If man haue no freewill to sinne or not to sinne then no man is to be punished for his sinnes because he sinneth by a necessitie not to be auoided Ansvv. The reason is not good for though man can not but sinne yet is the fault in himselfe therefore he is to be punished as a bankrupt is not therefore freed from his debts because he is not able to pay them but the bils against him stande in force because the debt comes thorough his owne default The second point of Originall sinne The next point to be handled
present yet was he not actually offered till the fulnes of time came and once offering of himselfe he remaineth a priest for euer al other priests beside him are superfluous his one offering once offered beeing all-sufficient The twelfth point Of fasting Our consent Our consent may be set downe in three conclusions I. We doe not condemne fasting but maintain three sorts therof to wit a morall ciuill and a religious fast The first being moral is a practise of sobrietie or temperance when as in the vse of meates and drinkes the appetite is restrained that it doe not exceede moderation And this must be vsed of all Christians in the whole course of their liues The second beeing ciuill is when vpon some particular and politicke considerations men abstaine from certaine meates as in this our common-wealth the Law inioynes vs to abstaine from flesh-meat at certain seasons of the yere for these special ends to preserue the breed of cattell and to maintaine the calling of the fisherman The third namely a religious fast is when the duties of religion as the exercise of prayer and humilatiō are practised in fasting And I doe now specially intreat of this kind Conclus II. We ioyne with them in the alloweance of the principall and right endes of a religious fast and they are three The first is that thereby the minde may become attentiue in meditation of the duties of godlinesse to be performed The second is that the rebellion of the flesh may be subdued for the flesh pampered becomes an instrument of licentiousnes The third and as I take it the cheefe ende of a religious fast is to professe our guiltinesse and to testifie our humiliation before God for our sinnes and for this ende in the feast of Nineve the very beast was made to abstaine Conclus III. We yelde vnto them that fasting is an helpe and furtherance to the worship of God yea a good worke also if it be vsed in a good manner For though fasting in it selfe being a thing indifferent as eating and drinking are is not to be tearmed a good worke yet being applyed and considered in relation to the right endes before spoken of and practised accordingly it is a worke allowed of God and highly to be esteemed of all the seruants and people of God The difference or dissent Our dissent from the Church of Rome in the doctrine of fasting standes in three things I. They appoint prescribe set times of fasting as necessarie to be kept but we hould and teach that to prescribe the time of a religious fast is in the libertie of the Church and the gouernours thereof as special occasiō shall be offered When the disciples of Iohn asked Christ why they and the Pharises fast often but his disciples fasted not he answered Can the children of the marriage chamber mourne as long as the bridegrome is with them but the daies will come when the bridgrome shall be taken away from them and THEN SHALL THEY FAST Math. 9. 15. where he giues them to vnderstand that they must fast as occasiōs of mourning are offered Where also I gather that a set time of fasting is no more to be inioyned then a set time of mourning It was the opinion of Augustine that neither Christ nor his Apostles appointed any times of fasting and Tertullian saith that they of his time fasted of their owne accords freely without lawe or commandement as occasions and times serued And Eusebius saith that Montanus was the first that made laws of fasting It is obiected that there is a set time of fasting prescribed Lev. 16. 29. Ans. This set and prescribed fast was commanded of God as a part of the legall worship which had his ende in the death of Christ therefore it doth not iustifie a set time of fasting in the new testament where God hath left man to his owne libertie without giuing the like commandement It is againe alleadged that Zacharie 7. 5. there were set times appointed for the celebration of religious fasts vnto the Lord the fifth and the seauenth moneths Ans. They were appointed vpon occasion of the present afflictions of the Church in Babylon and they ceased vpon their deliuerance The like vpon like occasion may we appoint It is further obiected that some Churches of the Protestants obserue set times of fasting Ansvv. In some Churches there be set daies and times of fasting not vpon necessitie or for conscience or religions sake but for politicke or ciuill regardes whereas in the Romish Church it is held a mortall sinne to deferre the set time of fasting till the next day following Secondly we dissent from the Church of Rome touching the manner of keeping a fast For the best learned among them allow the drinking of wine water electuaries that often within the compasse of their appointed fast yea they allowe the eating of one meale on a fasting day at noon tide and vpō a reasonable cause one houre before the time of fasting not yet ended But this practise indeede is absurd contrarie to the practise of the old testament yea it doth frustrate the end of fasting For the bodyly abstinence is an outward meanes and signe whereby we acknowledge our guiltines and vnworthines of any of the blessings of God Againe they prescribe a difference of meates as white-meat onely to be vsed on their fasting daies and that of necessity and for conscience sake in most cases But we hold this distinction of meates both to be foolish and wicked Foolish because in such meats as they prescribe there is as much filling and delight as in any other meates as namely in fish fruits wine c. which they permit And its against the end of a religious fast to vse any refreshing at all so farre as necessitie of health and comelines will permit Thus the Church in times past vsed to abstain not onely frō meat drinke but from all delights whatsoeuer euen from soft apparel and sweet ointments Ioel 2. 15. Sanctifie a fast let the BRIDGROME GOE FORTH OF HIS CHAMBER and the bride out of hir bride chamber Dan. 10. 3. I eate no PLEASANT bread neither came FLESH NOR VVINE within my mouth neither did I ANNOINT my selfe at all till three weekes of daies were fulfilled 1. Cor. 7. 5. Defraud not one an other EXCEPT it be with consent for a time that ye may giue your selues to FASTING and praier Againe we hold this practise to be wicked because it taketh away the libertie of Christiās by which vnto the pure all things are pure And the Apostle Gal. 5. bids vs to standfast in this libertie which the Church of Rome would thus abolish For the better vnderstanding of this let vs consider howe the Lord himselfe hath from the beginning kept in his owne handes as a master in his owne house the disposition of his creatures for the vse of man that he might depend on him and his word for
temporall blessings In the first age he appointed vnto him for meate euery hearb of the earth bearing seed and euery tree wherein there is the fruite of a tree bearing seed Gen. 1. 18. And as for flesh whether God gaue vnto him libertie to eate or not to eate we hold it vncerten After the flood the Lord renewed his grant of the vse of the creatures and gaue his people libertie to eat the flesh of liuing creatures yet so as he made some things vncleane and forbad the eating of them among the rest the eating of blood But since the comming of Christ he hath inlarged his word and giuen libertie to all both Iewes Gentiles to eate of all kindes of flesh This word of his we rest vpon holding it a doctrine of deuills for men to commaund an abstinence from meates for conscience sake which the Lord himselfe hath created to be receiued with thanksgiuing Socrates a Christian historiographer saith that the Apostles left it free to euery one to vse what kinde of meate they would on fasting daies and other times Spiridion in lent dressed swines flesh and set it before a stranger eating himselfe and bidding the stranger also to eat who refusing professing him selfe to be a Christian therefore saith he the rather must thou doe it for to the pure all things are pure as the word of God teacheth vs. But they obiect Ier. 35. where Ionadab commanded the Rechabites to abstain from wine which commandement they obeyed and are commended for doing well in obeying of it therefore say they some kinde of meates may lawefully be forbidden Ans. Ionadab gaue this commandement not in way of religion or merit but for other wise and politicke regardes For he inioyned his posteritie not to drinke wine not to build houses not to sowe seede or plant vineyards or to haue any in possession but to liue in tents to the ende they might be prepared to beare the calamities that should be fall them in time to come But the Popish abstinence from certaine meates hath respect to conscience and religion and therefore is of another kind and can haue no warrant thence II. Obiect Dan. 10. 3. Daniel beeing in heauines for three weekes of daies abstained from flesh and his example is our warrant Ans. It was the manner of holy men in ancient times when they fasted many daies together of their owne accordes freely to abstaine from sundrie things and thus Daniel abstained from flesh But the Popish abstinence from flesh is not free but stands by cōmandement and the omitting of it is mortal sinne Againe if they will follow Daniell in abstaining from flesh why doe they not also abstaine from all pleasant bread and wine yea from ointments and why will they eate any thing in the time of their fast whereas they cannot shew that Daniel eate any thing at all till euening And Molanus hath noted that our ancetours abstained from wine and dainties and that some of them ate nothing for two or three daies together Thirdly they alleadge the diet of Iohn Baptist whose meate was Locusts and wild honie and of Timothy who abstained from wine Ans. Their kinde of diet and that abstinence which they vsed was only for temperance sake not for conscience or to merit any thing thereby let them prooue the contrarie if they can Thirdly and lastly we dissent from them touching certaine endes of fasting For they make abstinence it selfe in a person fitly prepared to be a part of the worship of God but we take it to be a thing indifferent in it selfe and therefore no part of Gods worship and yet withall being well vsed we esteeme it as a proppe or furtherance of the worship in that we are made the fitter by it to worship God And herevpon some of the more learned sort of them say Not the worke of fasting done but the deuotion of the worker is to be reputed the seruice of God Againe they say that fasting in or with deuotion is a worke of satisfaction to Gods iustice for the temporall punishment of our sinnes Wherein we take they doe blasphemously derogat from Christ our Sauiour who is the whole and perfect satisfaction for sinne both in respect of fault and punishment Here they alleadge the example of the Ninevites and Achabs fasting wherby they turned away the iudgements of God denounced against them by his Prophets We answer that Gods wrath was appeased towards the Ninevites not by their fasting but by faith laying holde on Gods mercy in Christ and thereby staying his iudgement Their fasting was onely a signe of their repentance their repentance a fruite and signe of their faith whereby they beleeued the preaching of Ionas As for Ahabs humiliatiō it is nothing to the purpose for it was in hypocrisie if they get any thing thereby let thē take it to themselues To conclude we for our parts doe not condemne this exercise of fasting but the abuse of it and it were to be wished that fasting were more vsed of all Christians in all places considering the Lord doth daily giue vs new and special occasions of publike and priuate fasting The thirteenth point Of the state of perfection Our consent Our consent I will set downe in two conclusions I. All true beleeuers haue a state of true perfection in this life Math. 5. 48. Be you perfect as your father in heauen is perfect Gen. 6. 9. Noah was a iust and perfect man in his time and walked with God Gen. 17. 1. Walke before me and be perfect And sundrie kings of Iuda are said to walke vprightly before God with a perfect heart as Dauid Iosias Hezekias c. And Paul accounteth himselfe with the rest of the faithfull to be perfect saying Let vs all that are perfect be thus minded Phil. 3. 15. Now this perfection hath two partes The first is the imputation of Christs perfect obedience which is the ground and fountaine of all our perfectiō whatsoeuer Heb. 10. 14. By one offering that is by his obedience in his death and passion hath he consecrated or made perfect for euer them that beleeue The second part of Christian perfection is synceritie or vprightnes standing in two things The first is to acknowledge our imperfection and vnworthines in respect of our selues and hereupon though Paul had said he was perfect yet he addeth further that he did account of himselfe not as though he had attained to perfection but did forget the good things behinde and indeauoured himselfe to that which was before Here therefore it must be remembered that the perfection whereof I speake may stande with sundrie wants and imperfections It is saide of Asa that his heart vvas perfect vvith God all his daies and yet he pulled not dovvne the high places and beeing diseased in his feete he put his trust in the Physitians and not in the Lord. Secondly this vprightnes standes in a constant purpose endeauour and care to keepe not