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A88837 The lip of truth opened, against a dawber with untempered morter. A few words against a book, written by Magnus Bine priest, in the county of Sussex, which he calls, The scornful quakers answered, &c. But he himself is found the scorner, and the lyer, charging me with things I never spoke, nor never entered into my heart to speak. / Tho. Lawson. Lawson, Thomas, 1630-1691. 1656 (1656) Wing L725; Thomason E889_9; ESTC R206504 49,355 60

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the Scriptures in such matters page 26. As for trampling upon the Scriptures and abusing them that we deny t is thy own practice and in the same as gave them forth we own them and read them and deny all your interpretations on them who wrests them to maintain such practices as they were given forth against The Resurrection we own of the just and unjust Acts 24.15 Some for conscience sake were tortured these had part in the first Resurrection yet they accepted not deliverance that they might obtain a better Resurrection Heb. 11.35 Eternal Judgment we own committed to the Son who is eternal God hath appointed a day in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by the man Christ Jesus Acts. 17.31 Heaven we own to be Gods Throne and his Throne endures for ever with the Son and where the Son is there shall the Saints be Hell is whither all must go that work abomination the covetous the selfish where the worm dyeth not so give over thy slandering they are clothed with a brest-plate whom thou disdains And thou bids me take heed how Harlot like I trim my self with the glory of God Answ He is a Harlot that is out of the truth and that which draws him out of the truth that draws him into covetous practices folly selfishness which thou confesses thou art inwardly reproved for these things are fruits of an Harlot and thou art speaking as if a Harlot may be trimmed with Gods glory as all may see who read that page this is all thou knows of the glory of God and of them in whom it is revealed he is a Harlot that pleads for the wages of unrighteousness for his back and belly and for titles of courtesy as thou saies which Christ forbids Thou saies the letter or what is written in it is a light that shines is dark place page 26. Answ Prove this saying thou art found in the seate of darkness uttering things with the darkest of the world how doth the letter shine what is the dark place it shines in to that in thy conscience do I speak thou art vain and others have made thee their example so thou hast made them vain end fed them in vainness even hast kindled them up in that nature contrary to truth and this is a mark of a Deceiver Ier. 23.16 Thou saies thou art called Master through mans courtesie and without any affection to it page 38. I answer Now thou art come to that which I told the of he is a Harlot that pleads for that which truth forbids Christ the truth he said to his disciples neither be ye called Masters for one is your Master even Christ Matt. 23.10 they did not reason with him and say why may we not be so called through mans courtesie it is not our affection this is thy reasoning against Christ not theirs they did not call one another Masters in writing one to another or speaking one of another which you do who love the praise of men thou art not yet a disciple who reasons for that which Christ forbad though thou call thy self a son but stay thou saies I am low thou must needs wrangle because I witness against thee who is high in pride in the seat of reasoning against Christ but 't is not the name but the nature Christ forbad thou saies as thy proud mind would have it and thou hast the nature contrary to Christ so pleads for the name he forbad who slights the Scripture here and who makes the nose of wax which thou tells on and thou saies I would be Mnster over mens faith I say Christ hath given me victory over thy faith who believes in thy corrupt reason which fills thee with arguments against Christ and his doctrine who is the author and finisher of our faith but for shame tell not of faith in him who reasons against him and denies him who is our Master and his doctrine that thou may be Master and who is in the light is in the one faith where mastership and dominion in the flesh is not executed over one anothers faith but one builds up another in the holy faith but with thy faith thou opposes Christ so it doth not purifie thy heart but leaves thee in covetous practices Thou saies I and my sect is in the proud Egyptian spirit who for uniformities sake can endure to hear of no variety of gifts dispensations or administrations of God page 29. I answer It is no new thing to see the truth reproached by selfish covetous People for such the truth know not and Paul who preached Christ it was called a Sect and every where it was spoken against Acts 28.22 as it is now that which was before all Sects and comprehended all Sects and draws out of all Sects that was and is called a Sect and in it we see thee cut off from the life and found in covetous practices as thou confesses and so thou reproaches that which bears witness against thee and our unity is in that which the vulters eye and venemous beasts never saw form beauty nor comeliness in the diversity of gifts and administrations among us is witnessed in one and the same spirit and that spirit by which these among us be witnessed testified against such as taught for hire this is a mark of a deceiver whereby thou among the rest art found out Micah 3.11 Who received a gift from God were never hired of the world prove the contrary if thou can and thou art in Simons snare who thinks the gift of God may either be bought or sold for money or Tyth Acts 8.20 Again thou saith if greatness had been thy aime thou might have been as great in esteem as other men page 29. I answer how great would thou be thou art called of men Master which Christ forbad Matt. 23. and how dare thou call him Lord who doth not the things that he saith but pleads against his sayings Luke 6.46 and thy practce and thy pleading his doctrine to live out of that thou may be a Master it preaches to all the wise in heart that thou art one of them who saith we will not have this man to reign over us Luke 19.14 this is Jesus I speak of the one Master and how great would thou be thou hast got the Tyth of two Parishes whereas most of thy brethren have but the Tyth of one and many of none but stay thou would not be called a Priest of the Nation but thou art joyning with them against the Israel of God and that 's the way to make the great amongst the Cananites our head God is lifting up our helment if thou knew thou should know no weapon formed can prosper O England thy Scers are blind they see not the ditch they lead thee to thy Prophets are like Foxes in wast places seeking to devour the Lambs and to eat up and spoil the tender grapes they prophesie to the world for money or money worth of the
which reproves is light Ephes 5 13. and if thou loved it it would bring thee to forsake such things but thou hardens thy heart against the secret movings of it and grows up in selfishness and would perswade people that the light tendeth thereto so would make God who is light the author of sin and thou saies Christ is in nature as a spark under ashes and is he come thither to build up Self prove it for thou hast told too many lies to have thy words believed what ever thou saies the Apostle said Christ is manifest to take away sin and to destroy Self the works of the Divel 1 Iohn 3 5 8. Now thou saies Christ the light is in nature as a spark under ashes and tends to build up Self whether must Iohn or Magnus Bine the filthy dreamer be believed Thou saies Christ is but one and his light one in Jew and Gentile the same as to himself in the state of nature that it is in the state of grace onely in the first it is natural in the last it is spiritual so it is one in the Original but double in the Birth page 99. I answer that Christ is one and his light one in Jew and in Gentile that I own they were my words to thee but a little before thou said there was a vast difference between the light in man in the state of nature and the light that is in man when he is in the state of grace and here thou saies 't is the same in the state of nature as in the state of grace if this be not confusion and contradiction let all that are of God judge onely in the first thou saies it is natural in the last spiritual I answer the true light is but one and where ever it is it is spiritual thou may change thy talk and pour forth thy upps and thy downs as the Ranters manner is but nothing of God thou can change he is inchangeable so is his gift as for a natural light the Scriptures mention no such thing so when thou writes again acquaint people what thou means by natural the Apostle speaks of a divine nature which the Saints were partakers of 2 Pet. 1.4 but of this thou certainly speaks not of for this is spiritual where ever it is and not flesh nor reason yet the Word becoming flesh we own and there is another nature Ephes 2.3 and while in this all are Children of wrath this nature is not light nor spiritual in any and what ever thou say I know thou lives in this and thou saies the light is but one in the Original but double in the Birth this by Scripture prove the light in all is spiritual wherewith every one is lighted but many hide their talent in the earth so are fleshly covetous as thou art gainsaying that which is spiritual prove the light double in the birth the second birth is but one and sins not 1 Iohn 3.9 1 John 5.18 and as Cain who was in the first slew him that was in the second so art thou in old Cains steps and thou cannot endure to hear of a state without sin so pleads against that birth that sins not and as Cain would not have the righteous in the world but slew him that he himself might be set up so thou art pleading for sin while man is upon earth which is the first birth for the second sins not Cain was grieved that his sacrifice was not accepted so long hast thou bewitched people with thy lies and with thy lightness and the everlasting Shepherd is coming to pull his flock from out of thy mouth and teeth who hast made a prey on the people and now that light is shining out of darkness and some are turned and others are turning from thee who see thy sacrifice to be full of blemishes blind and that dyeth of it self so not accepted with God so thee and thy sacrifice they deny and this makes old Cain full of wroth and anger And for to prove a natural light thou alleges Rom. 2.14 15. and Rom 1.21.22 and thou saies May not this be called a natural light and a light of natural conscience being a light onely in Gentiles or natural man I answer Neither of these Scriptures mentions a natural light nor the light of a natural conscience and thou plainly shews to all that can see that thou knows not that nature that taught and teaches the Gentiles to do the things contained in the Law and thou tells of a light that is onely in the Gentiles or natural men thou sot Iohn said light shone in darkness Iohn 1 5. and Paul witnessed the same shining out of darkness 2 Cor 4 6. and what is the light that is onely in Gentiles or natural men prove this by Scripture was not Christ the light given a Covenant to Israel a light to the Gentiles Isa 42 6 7. and for salvation he was given to the ends of the earth Isa 49.6 even to such as had not the letter and is this flesh or reason as thou was saying Thou saies every Magistrate is cloated with the power of God page 100. I answer The power of God is Christ as saith the Scriptures 1 Cor 1 24. and who receive him in the obedience and have their souls subject to this power such rule for God and their governing and ruling being according to that in the conscience for conscience sake all that are of God obey such but some have a that name they live but are dead some are called Ministers of Christ but are found lyars some are called Magistrates who live in pride and oppression in evll so hate the light Iohn 3 20. these receive not Christ the power these are not clothed with the power of God these rule not in the power of God but in their wills and command things in their will contrary to that in the conscience and for conscience sake in these things they are not to be obeyed Thou saies Every one is to yield to that power though the man that be clothed with it be good or bad or the man that hath it be evil and wicked page 100. 101. I answer The power that every soul is to be subject to is but one just power which is Christ 1 Cor. 1 24 which power is according to that in thy conscience and with this no bad man is clothed in thy saying he is thou art a lyar he is clothed with unrighteousness and that an evil and wicked man may have Christ the power that I deny and thou art a lyar who affirms he may he that doth evil hates the light so receives not Christ who is the power that every soul is to be subject to and all his Magistrates whose eyes God hath opened cannot but see thee to be a lyar in this thing and a flatterer calling such Saints as live in rage and that a wicked and evil man may have the power of God God and his power is one