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A54126 The counterfeit Christian detected; and the real Quaker justified Of God and Scripture, reason & antiquity. against the vile forgeries, gross perversions, black slanders, plain contradictions & scurrilous language of T. Hicks an Anabaptist preacher, in his third dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker, call'd, The Quaker condemned, &c. By way of an appeal to all sober people, especially those called Anabaptists in and about the City of London. By a lover of truth and peace W. P. Penn, William, 1644-1718. 1674 (1674) Wing P1271; ESTC R220484 73,223 125

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writ so many slight things we should not have seen that Envy Passion base Shuffling Insolence c. that thy Writings now abound withall Therefore under all thy higher Conceits thou standest condemn'd of the Light Be exh●●ted first to obey it before thou undertakest to write of thi●gs tho● vainly thinkst beyond it Testimonies concerning the Light Within Munsterius Castalio Vatablus Drusius Clarius Co●ureus upon Job 24.13 chap. 25.3 They are of those who Rebel against the Light Vpon whom doth not his Light arise say that this Light is of the Divine Wisdom and Fountain of Light alluding to the Psalmist 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and Mat. 4.19 The People that sa●e in Darkness saw great Light Also see ●●ese Men Erasmus and Camero upon John 1.4 9. I shall for a further Defence of the Light produce some Testimonies from several Gentiles some Hundreds of Years before Christ Orpheus His Hand reaches to the End of the Sea his Right Hand is every where ●hen within of him alone are all things Clem. Alex. Strom. lib. 5. Thales thus There is but one God he is Glorious forever he knows Hearts and tells Thoughts He makes the Teller of his Thoughts God as in Amos 4.13 Pythagoras thus God resembleth LIGHT and TRUTH he is one he is not OUT of the World he is the SALT of all Ages ONE HEAVENLY LIGHT and Father of all things only Wise Invisible yet Intelligible The very Language of the Apostle Jambl. Just. Mart. Heraclitus thus God is not made with Hands Pythagoras What things are agreeable to God cannot be known unless a man HEAR God himself Again Having overcome thy Rebellious Appetite thou shalt know the COHABITATION of the Immortal God and Mortal Men whose Work is Immortality Eternal Life Tim. de Anim. Mund. Sophocles speaking of the Precept● written in man's Heart saith God is their Father not Mortal Nature Neither shall they ever be abrogated for there is in them a great God that never waxeth old Again saith he This is with respect to man's Conscience a Divine a Sacred Good God the Overseer Oedip. Tyr. Cl. Alex. Str. l. 5. Socrates had the Guide of his Life within him and preach'd as he was moved by it even in ●he Streets And dyed for Reproving the Corruptions of the Athe●ians in Manners and Religion Plo●in taught That man had a Divine Principle in 〈◊〉 which maketh a True and Good Man Hi●ron called it A Domestick God They held Victory over their Sins by the Power of it witness Chilon Socrates Plato Zeno Antipater and others which Doctrine of Perfection thou T. H. with all thy pretended super-●d●●d Light can't tell how to swallow As they prest Perfect Living so they clearly laid down Eternal Rewards the Pure to God● the Impure to Chains said Pythago●as as if he had read that Scripture writ Six Hundred Years after him The Pure in Heart shall see God The Good sa●d Socrates shall be united to God in an inacc●ssible Place the Wicked in conveni●nt Places suffer due Punishment And though they might not have the Jewish History and Chronicle yet they had a sufficient Law and Light within to Salvation and such as trusted in it came to Salvation by it and so much the Apostle sayes Rom. 2. And for the Fathers that they confirm the Testimonies of the Gentiles and speak not of another Eternal Law and Light briefly thus Justin Martyr in his Apology saith God has built to himself a natural Templ● in the Conscienc●s of men as the place wherein he would be worshipped and there men ought to look for his Appearance Clem. Alex. Admon ad Gent. It is the Voice of Truth that Light will shine out of Darkness Theref●re does it shine in the hidden part of Mankind Strom. l. 5. Man cannot be void of Divine Knowledge who naturally or as he comes into the World par●akes of Divine Inspiration Lactant. de Cult ver The Law of God is made known unto us whose Light clearly discovers the Path of Wisdom That Law is pure and unspotted Reason diffused through all the World A●hanas contr Gent. The Way to attain to the Knowledge of God is Within us which is proved from Moses who saith The Word of God is within thy Heart and from this saying of Christ The Faith and Kingdom of God is within you §. II. Concerning the Soul of Man Counterfeit I affirm that G. Fox sayes the Soul of Man is Part of God's being without Beginning and infinite which is to say The Soul is God Dial. 3. pag. 19. Quaker I have two things to say First That in case G. F. so holds thou hast done unworthily to conclude generally against the Quakers In thy former Dialogues thou chargedst it upon the Quakers and now thou layest it directly upon G. F. Are such Shiftings Runnings from Generals to Particulars allowable in Disputation Is this equal Dealing But 2dly I deny that G. F. so holds what sayest thou to that C. G. Fox in his Great Mystery p. 90. in Answer to one that said There is a kind of Infiniteness in the Soul yet it cannot be Infiniteness in it self speaks thus Is not the Soul without Beginning coming from God returning into God again Hath this Beginning or Ending and is not this Infinite in it self Can anything be clearer then that G. F. mak●s the Soul the Subject and not the Divine Life Ibid. pag. 20 21. Q. Yes that there may For it is clear enough that G. F. intends by the Soul and Breath coming out from God the Divine Breath or Soul of the Soul as Augustine calls it and as Mach Neshemah Pneunia Anemos and Spiritus signifie 'T was this made Adam a living Soul to God Thou dealest unfairly with G. F. and us in making his Questions about this both his and our Affirmation That the Soul or Spirit of Man is God A manifest Falsehood and Abuse And was not the Death threathned Adam upon Disobedience the Loss of this They that read G. F's Books with a more impartial mind then thou doest may see that sometimes he speaketh of the Soul as of the Man pag. 91. where he sayes That such as receive the Light receive Redemption wh●r by their Spirits Bodies Souls are sanctified and sometimes he speaks of the Soul as respecting that Breath of Life by which it became a living Soul to God which is Man in the Heavenly Image He that reads page 90 91 100. may discern the Truth of this But why art thou not angry with the PRIEST for talking of a kind of Infiniteness in the Soul 'T is at the Quaker and not the Principle thy Gall is stirr'd For a kind of Infiniteness ●ust be Infiniteness and not a Finiteness Did G. F's words at most rise higher What further doest thou object C. But G. F. saith pag. 100. God breathed into man the Breath of Life and he became a Living Soul and is not this which cometh out from God part of God which Soul Christ is