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A43724 A continuation of The dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker wherein the truth of those things objected against them in the first part, are fully confirm'd : together with a further account of their perilous and pernitious errors concerning the person of Christ, His satisfaction, justification, sanctification, the ministry, and immediate motions are in this second part, cleerly and plainly represented out of the writings of some of their principal, and most approved leaders / published for the common information of such as either really are, or may be, in danger of being insnared and intangled by them by Thomas Hicks. Hicks, Thomas, 17th cent. 1673 (1673) Wing H1919; ESTC R21822 53,818 100

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13. Q. Whether that Righteousness which is wrought by the Saints be every way answerable to the Justice of God Quak. There again thy blindness is made manifest Is there any Righteousness but that of Christ Jesus and is not that every way answerable to the justice of God But such polluted filthy Beasts as thou wouldst have another Righteousness but thy Righteousness we deny and the Righteousness of Christ we witness which shall be reveal'd on thee in flames of fire Ibid. p. 33. Chr. Did ever man pretending I will not say to perfection or infallibility but to reason or modesty reply at this rate Did every question affright him and put him into such a consternation as that he could express himself no otherwise then like one perfectly mad There is not the least intimation in any of the foregoing questions asserting any other Righteousness but that of Christ's and yet this wretched man had the confidence to say Such filthy Beasts as he was pleas'd to account the Querist would have another Righteousness Art not thou ashamed of this injustice and lying which thy dear Brother Edw. Burroughs was guilty of to talk of your witnessing the Righteousness of Christ is no more but your common and idle prating and nothing to the point in question Must we be concluded onely by what you ignorantly and impudently say you witness 14. Q. Whether none be accounted righteous in the sight of God in whom is any corruption or failing or who do not fulfil the Law and answer every demand of Justice Quak. Here thou polluted Beast makes it manifest what thou hast been driving at all this while which is that thou wouldst have thy corruption and filthiness to be accounted righteous in God's sight that so thou mayst wallow in thy filthiness But John saith He that commits sin is of the Devil The Son of God was manifested that he might destroy the works of the Devil and thou man of Sin wouldst have it stand ☞ God doth not accept any where there is any failing or who do not fulfil the Law and answer every demand of Justice Ibid. p. 33. Chr. This question I do confess hath the favour of a direct and positive answer though it be introduced with his wonted railing together with a wilful lye certainly had not Edw. Burroughs been desperate and utterly destitute of any serious respect either to God or man or his own credit he durst not have attempted to fix so notorious an untruth upon the Querist as that he would have corruption and filthiness to be accounted righteous in God's sight There is not any thing of such an import in the question which is not whether failing and corruption may be accounted righteous but whether none in whom is any failing or corruption may be so corruption and failing is one thing the person in whom it may be is another But to his answer ☞ God accepts not any who do not fulfil the Law and answer every demand of Justice If so woe be to you Quakers as well as to any others for certainly you cannot be saved according to this Principle you are far however you flatter your selves from fulfilling the Law and answering every demand of Justice with Edw. Burroughs agrees another of your Ministry namely William Penn Sandy Foundation p. 29 30. Obedience to Justification saith he ought to be as personally extensive as was mans Disobedience to Condemnation in which real not imputative sense those various terms of Sanctification Righteousness Resurrection Life Redemption Justification c. are most infallibly understood for impute or imputing signifies no more in Scriptures but to express men really and personally to be that which is imputed to them whether as guilty or remitted For saith he any to be justified from the imputation of anothers Righteousness is both rediculous and dangerous whence came that usual saying amongst many Professors of Religion That God looks not upon them as they are in themselves but as they are in Christ According to the drift and scope of Penns Discourse this usual saying must come from the conceivings of the dark imputarians of this Age But I must tell Mr. Penn whatever his deluded fancy may be concerning himself miserable will be his condition if God do look upon him onely as he is in himself The time will come he may curse the day that ever he entertain'd such an opinion or that it was his sad lot to fall amongst such a people who render Jesus Christ in all his undertakings for Sinners no more then a meer cipher For saith Edw. Burroughs ☞ God will not accept of any who do not fulfil the Law and answer every demand of Justice O ye wretched men that should in such a day and Nation have the face to utter such a Doctrine as this is which casheers the whole Gospel and turns it out of doors 15. Q. Whether a Soul be justified before God by the non-imputation of Sin and the imputation of the Righteousness of Christ's Person to his Faith or by a Righteousness wrought by Christ in the person justified or to be justified Quak. Stop thy mouth thou Sorcerer which art gathering up a heap of confusion fit for nothing but to be turn'd into the bottomless pit wherein thou talks of imputation and non-imputation and of a person justified and to be justified Thy language is the language of Egypt and in the mystery of Iniquity which is condemn'd into the lake of Perdition by the light of Christ I own no Righteousness but what is of Christ and is wrought by him which Righteousness shall confound thee and all thy unrighteousness and conjurations the same that justifies us shall condemn thee eternally Ibid. p. 33. Chr. If this was a man of God who may we account a man of The memorable Works of this Edw. Burroughs may serve as Memorials to all men to dread the Spirit and Principles of the Quakers these instances being such Monuments of their folly and madness He saith That imputation and non-imputation and to talk of a person justified and to be justified is the language of Egypt and is condemn'd to the lake of Perdition by the Light But what kind of Light should this be that should thus fatally doom such a question and brand the person asking it for a Sorcerer He saith He owns no other Righteousness but what is wrought by Christ But not one word whether this Righteousness is wrought without us or within us or both which is the thing the question aims at If the Querist was or if any person else be ignorant herein so they may remain for any thing that Burroughs hath here contributed towards their information 16. Q. Whether Christ be in the Saints in respect of that Nature wherein he suffer'd at Jerusalem Quak. Here thou enemy of Christ wouldst know how the Saints enjoy Christ the Scripture is fulfil'd on thee the light shines in darkness and the darkness comprehends it not when thou comes to own thy
Condemnation the light in thy Conscience then thou wilt know that Nature that Christ suffer'd in But now thou art in the nature that Judas was in that betray'd him that they were in that crucified him Ibid. p. 33. Chr. Is there in this reply one word to the question could he not have answerd yea or nay else where he grants that he who was slain upon the Cross is the very Christ of God and that the very Christ of God was in him Ibid. p. 149. From whence we may infer That the light within was crucified at Jerusalem Must this pass for an infallible dictate surely not with any who are not under the influence of the Quakers delusions But wherefore did Burroughs remain under such a Paroxism of fury was it not because each question did strike too closely at your vile Opinions 17 Q. How and in what manner Christ who in respect of his Divine Nature is in all places may be said to be in a Saint and not in a Reprobate Quak. What hast thou to do to quere after the Divine Nature who art the natural man who knows nothing of God but what thou knowest naturally as a bruit beast The manner of Christs Divine Nature is bid from thy eyes with that eye thou shouldst see with that thou art blind And the manner of his being in the Saints thou knowst not who art a Reprobate and shalt find him to thy eternal condemnation Ibid. p. 33 34. Chr. It is a lamentable thing that a man for asking How and in what respect Christ may be said to be in a Christian must be put off with such a taunting reply as this What hast thou to do to quere thou knowst nothing but as a bruit beast thou Reprobate Is this to instruct with meekness and fear we see that if we do not believe your sayings without farther enquiry what will come on 't namely to be curs'd and damn'd eternally 'T was pity this question did not fall into the hands of a more judicious person then Edw. Burroughs who neither treats the Querist nor his question like a Christian or a sober man 18 Q Whether doth Christ now in these days assume or take upon him the form of a Servant the seed of Abraham that is our flesh and whether doth not this assumption cause such a perfection of the Godhead and the Manhood as that both of them together are united into one Person Quak. O thou dark Beast and Conjurer quering with thy conjured words that which thou knowst nothing of and is out of thy reach and comprehension Thou Blasphemer dost thou limit Christ to dayes in taking upon him the form of a Servant and the seed of Abraham Is not he the same now as ever he was for the union of the Godhead with the Manhood as thou calls it Let thy mouth be stopt for with thee God nor none of his Children hath any union God hath put an utter enmity betwixt thy seed thou Serpent and the seed of the woman And the perfect union with Christ we witness therefore are we separate from thee and thy Generation Ibid. p. 34. Chr. I perceive he that sate him on carried him through otherwise by this time we might reasonably conclude he should have been drawn dry of his virulent and undecent expressions Be the question what it will he was at no loss for words to stigmatize and vilifie the Querist yet was at a real and marvellous loss to give a direct answer to the purpose almost all the questions hath a fair or rather if you will a foul go-by Let me seriously ask thee whether thou dost indeed believe that Edw. Burroughs was in the meekness plainness and simplicity when he did represent the person that asked whether Christ doth now take upon him the form of a Servant to be a dark Beast and Conjurer Dost thou believe that Christ now in these dayes takes on him the form of a Servant our Flesh as once he did Do not reply in equivocal terms but speak honestly and plainly to the question we ask you not what you witness we will not be determined by your vain boasts or deluded fancies 19. Q. Whether Christ is now conversant with men upon Earth since his Ascension as he was before and in those times wherein the Apostles lived Quak. Thy quere bewrayes thee thy language is the language of Egypt thou makest it clearly manifest thou knowst not Christ in any measure where the first principle of truth is made manifest it is the same that ever was Thou askest whether Christ be not now conversant upon Earth amongst men since his Ascension as he was in the Apostles times dost thou know what thou askest Did not Christ appear to his Apostles since his ascension in the most glorious manner that ever was and is he not the same now as he was then what wouldst thou make of Christ thou dark sottish beast such a one as thy self Ibid. p. 34. Chr. This man took a liberty to say any thing but what was to the purpose 't is amazing to think that a person under his Character being under no surprize or provocation should deliberately write such gross Errors and Untruths together with such a heap of scurrilous and filthy Railings and cause these to be printed for the view of future Generations Burroughs asks whether Christ did not appear to the Apostles since his Ascension who denies he did But what is this to the question whether Christ be now conversant with men upon Earth since his Ascension as he was before To this the Quaker Replies What would thou make of Christ thou dark sottish beast But whether this be a solution of the question I submit it to others 20. Q. Whether Christ did not dwell amongst the Saints after another manner and more visible then now he dwells in them Quak. Here thou shews thy ignorance and for thy word visible he is not nor never visible to thee nor thy Generation for those that did profess the Scriptures as thou and thy Generation doth crucified him Thou Blasphemer where saith the Scripture that Christ would dwell after another manner in his Saints Ibid. p. 34. Chr. In this Answer the Quaker denies that Christ was ever visible to wicked men such as he esteems the Querist to be and consequently denies that person call'd in the Scriptures by this name who convers'd here in the World and suffer'd death openly and visibly at Jerusalem to be the Christ for that Christ was visible to wicked men But this bold man saith Christ was never visible to such as the Querist is Are not these things justly offensive to Christian ears 'T is too evident in your acknowledgments of Jesus Christ you do but abuse your Readers in owning that in words which in truth you really deny and do steal away the truth from the less wary reader or hearer even then when in words you seem to confess it It is blasphemy saith Edw. Burroughs To say