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A19884 An apologeticall reply to a booke called an ansvver to the unjust complaint of VV.B. Also an answer to Mr. I.D. touching his report of some passages. His allegation of Scriptures against the baptising of some kind of infants. His protestation about the publishing of his wrightings. By Iohn Davenporte BD. Davenport, John, 1597-1670. 1636 (1636) STC 6310; ESTC S119389 275,486 356

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mr._n d._n preach_v a_o year_n or_o two_o together_o without_o consent_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la for_o he_o do_v it_o as_o a_o assistant_n but_o 2._o he_o do_v not_o charge_v i_o with_o do_v it_o neither_o but_o only_o with_o approve_v that_o act_n if_o i_o be_v a_o schysmatick_n for_o approve_v it_o what_o be_v the_o elder_n that_o make_v it_o and_o why_o do_v he_o suffer_v they_o to_o come_v to_o the_o lord_n table_n and_o to_o go_v on_o so_o long_o unconvince_v unreclame_v from_o their_o schysme_n be_v schysme_n such_o a_o small_a sin_n that_o he_o regard_v it_o not_o or_o be_v this_o proof_n of_o their_o schysme_n so_o slight_a that_o he_o think_v they_o will_v not_o regard_v it_o he_o bold_o call_v it_o schysme_n but_o bring_v no_o proof_n that_o it_o be_v so_o from_o scripture_n nor_o reason_n why_o so_o be_v it_o because_o it_o be_v sufficient_a that_o he_o say_v it_o or_o because_o he_o can_v prove_v it_o if_o the_o first_o he_o be_v deceive_v if_o the_o second_o he_o deceive_v 4._o if_o the_o church_n have_v power_n to_o choose_v a_o meet_a pastor_n or_o assistant_n the_o minister_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la have_v not_o power_n to_o deprive_v they_o of_o he_o or_o to_o hinder_v he_o from_o accept_v their_o call_n or_o from_o satisfy_v their_o lawful_a desire_n for_o their_o power_n be_v not_o privative_a but_o cumulative_a in_o that_o sense_n and_o therefore_o in_o such_o a_o case_n it_o be_v a_o schysme_n from_o the_o church_n in_o he_o that_o hinder_v the_o church_n herein_o not_o in_o he_o that_o assi_v they_o 3._o my_o maintain_n of_o the_o power_n of_o particular_a church_n to_o be_v chief_a in_o they_o be_v own_o matter_n &_o apply_v this_o to_o the_o admission_n of_o minister_n to_o preach_v as_o assistant_n etc._n etc._n though_o these_o church_n be_v unite_v in_o synod_n and_o class_n and_o be_v this_o a_o