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A35131 Rebellion rebuked in an answer to a scandalous pamphlet entitled The Quaker converted to Christianity &c. written by one William Haworth ... and William Dimsdale ... / by John Crook, William Bayly. Crook, John, 1617-1699.; Bayly, William, d. 1675.; Crisp, Stephen, 1628-1692.; Stout, Mary, 17th cent. 1673 (1673) Wing C7212; ESTC R27638 40,731 115

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c. Answ We own the holy Scriptures which say If we confess our Sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our Sins and to cleanse us from all Vnrighteousness c. 1 John 1. 9. But Confession of Sins ought to be performed from the Sense of the Evil of Sin upon the Conscience and not out of Formality and Custom only as most do Yet we say where the Heart is sprinkled with the Blood of Christ from an Evil Conscience at that time and whilst remaining so Thanksgiving is proper to be given to God for Praise is comely for the Upright And such know the Blood of Christ to be a speaking Blood it speaketh saith the Apostle c. causing that Soul that is washed with it alwayes to be mindful of it and truly to prize it For the Ransomed shall pass with singing when the Hypocrites shall remain in Bondage notwithstanding their daily Confessions Thou say'st Jesus Christ of Nazareth c. brougbt this Righteousness c. Answ If thou believest that none were really saved or made Righteous by the Righteousness of Christ till then or after that time thy Faith is contrary to Scripture which calls Christ s Righteousness an Everlasting Righteousness Dan. 9. 24. Isa 45. 17. Micah 5. Yet we believe Salvation only by that Jesus which witnessed a good Confession before Bontius Pil●t● c. For answer to the Heathens Knowledge of God's Vengeance and Sight in the Deity c. I refer the Reader to the Reply to the Young-man's Book but for thy own Knowledge of it I find thee like the Pharisees of old fleeing from the Wrath to come by casting all God's Vengeance upon Christ an Easie Way if thou couldst so e●cape it by imagining his doing and suffering God's Pleasure to be reckoned thine by a bare Belief of it wholely without the● Here we differ in our Account I say according to Dan. 9. 24. speaking of Christ to finish Transgression and to make an E●d of Sin and to make a Reconciliation for Iniquity and to bring in Everlasting Righteousness c. I know and believe Salvation by the Imputed Reckoned and Real Everlasting Righteousness of Jesus Christ brought nigh which in the Fulness of time was manifest in and by him and in due time really made mine by the Work and Application of his Spirit in my Inward Parts and that God is well pleased or satisfied in and with him in whom I am accepted and not for Works of Righteousness that I have done nor yet for the Works sake only or quatenus Works though wrought in me by his Spirit but in and for the sake of him that works all our Works in us and for us according to Isa 26. 12. But thou believest to be saved by a Righteousness wholely without thee Reckoned but not Real which Righteousness Christ wrought One Thousand Six Hundred Years since not that we undervalue that Righteousness nay cursed is he that so doth really no nearer to thee then the place where he personally lived and dyed Now it is the great Lord of all that must view both our Accounts for the Goods we have received of him Mat. 25. 14. therefore I leave them both to him to determine which is Right This may serve for Answer to much of thy Epistle touching this Subject For Proof of thy Belief thou sayest We are made Righteous in the same way he was made Sin but he was not made Sin by Inhesion or really as thou speakest else-where for he knew no Sin therefore by Imputation Answ The same Way when Christ knew no Sin nor was any Sin inherent in him must we then be made Righteous without either knowing or enjoying any real Righteousness in us as this Comparison holds forth But did not Christ Really suffer and bear our Sins in his own Body upon the Tree Did not he suffer under the Burden thereof upon whom the Iniquities of all were made to meet But besides if we are made Righteous in the same way in all things that he was made to be Sin for Sin is mention'd in the Abstract then we must be without or free from all manner of Good as he was without or free from all manner of Sin or Evil which destroyes the Doctrine of Sanctification the New Creature c. where all things are of God In the next page save one thou affirmest That the Gifts and Vertues that the Spirit of God works in our Minds is our own Righteousness 1st Because our Souls are the Subjects of it And 2dly Because it is really in our Minds therefore ours and yet in this place thou sayest Christ is really our Righteousness as thy self interprets Jehovah Tsidkenu What! one while he is really Righteous and another while not Real but Reckoned I would not wrong thee but thy words are plain but more of this afterward Thy calling William Penn a Novice manifests only Pride in thy self but is no Proof against him and the truly Considerate will account thy Charge upon him to belong to thy self till thou hast confuted his Arguments Thou sayest If Christ Jesus had the Guilt of Sin really charged upon him c. Answ What! dost thou suppose the Innocent Lamb of God to be really guilty of Sin What Blasphemy is this What! really guilty of that which thy self sayest he really neither did nor had Yet thou bring'st Scripture to prove it saying What else is to be understood by that 2 Cor. 5. ver ult For he hath made him to be Sin for us who knew no Sin c. Thou usest many words to prove the Imputation of Christ's Righteousness to Men while in Sin and Rebellion against God As if Contraries while in Contrariety could at the same moment of time be in perfect Unity O vain Man Doth not the Apostle James Chap. 2. Vers 20. say That Faith without Works is dead c But I have spoken my Experimental Knowledge and believe according to Scripture of this Subject before and may have Occasion to touch at it hereafter In the next place thou bring'st forth thy own strange Conceivings about Man's own Righteousness for Error is seldom alone Thou say'st Our own Righteousness consists in those Gifts and Vertues which the Spirit of God works in our Minds and we express these outwardly in the Observation of the Moral Law in our Walkings amongst Men. Answ This is such a Heap of Confusion that I remember not the like The Scripture calls what is wrought by the Holy Spirit in us the Vertues of Christ 2 Pet. 1. 3 5. And Paul Rom. 8. saith To be Spiritually-minded is Life and Peace Then according to thy Interpretation we must have Life and Peace in our own Righteousness Thus like the Foolish Woman dost thou build a House and pull it down with thy Hands For take away the Gifts and Vertues which the Spirit of God works in our minds and what remains but a Body of Sin and Death and thoughts only Evil continually and yet Man as bold
Thing are the proper Subjects of this Righteousness as being now made meet to be Partakers of it Col. 1. 12. And we further testifie that the Historical or bare Belief or Knowledge of this Righteousness from the Letter only by the assent to the Truth thereof from the Natural Understanding is not sufficient or enough to make this Righteousness really or truly theirs but as the Father of the Returned Prodigal said to his Servants viz. Bring forth the best Robe and put it on him So this Righteousness must become ours by that Living Faith which purifies the Heart God the Father by his Spirit putting it on us and making it ours according to 1 Cor. 1. 30. But ye are of him in Christ Jesus who of God is made unto us Wisdom and Righteousness c. Concerning the Blood of this Jesus of Nazareth c. VVe believe and testifie That his Blood exceeds not only the Blood of Bulls and Goats but the Blood of the Best Man or Men that ever was or shall be in the VVorld And we do in the Sight of God really own the Blood of the Son of Man both according to the History and in the Mystery as we do his Cross both as shed for us and to be drunk by us both as bespeaking Remission of Sin past through Faith in it and as sprinkling the Conscience of True Believers and cleansing them from all Sin Therefore it is called The Precious Blood of Christ as being of an Incorruptible Nature 1 Pet. 1. 18 19. and is therefore said to speak better Things then the Blood of Abel being by way of Emphasis called The Blood of his Dear Son c. and is also called a Price Ye are bought with a Price 1 Cor. 6. 20. by all which it is manifest to be of infinite value both in the Account of God and all those that know it by being VVitnesses of its Vertue sprinkling their Hearts from an Evil Conscience Hebr. 10. 22. But because we testifie that it s not the Notion or bare Historical and Litteral Belief of those things that justifie or make us really free from that VVrath which comes upon every Soul of Man that doth Evil whether Jew or Gentile Professor or Prophane but only the Life and Vertue of this Blood received into the Heart by that Living Faith which Christ alone is the Author of Therefore are we branded with sleighting the Blood of the Man Christ c. though we testifie our Esteem thereof both in the History and in the Mystery and that without the Life and Vertue of this Blood there is no Remission Concerning Justification by the Blood of this Jesus of Nazareth c. I touched at it before and do further testifie That as without Blood there is no Remission ne●ther can any Blood or Offering besides the precious Blood of J●su● Christ ●emit any Man's Sins or make an Attonement for him although he would offer up his bel●ved Isa●● for it yet God dot● try every true Child of Abraham inwa●dly as he did Abraham ●●wardly before he shews unto him this Sacrifice of his own providing And because we testifie according to Holy Scripture and Grounded Experience that true experimental Justification or Acquitment from all Sin and Unrighteousness is witnessed by believing and walking in the Light as God is in the Light as it is writ●en 1 Joh 1. 7. If we walk in the Light as he ●s in the Light we 〈◊〉 F●ll●wship one with another and the Blood of Jesus Christ his Son clenses ●● from all Vnrighteousness and being justified by Faith we have Peace with God through Jesus Christ And true Justifying Faith is said to purifie the Heart by removing Vnrighteousness and plucking up those Plants which God's Right-H●●d ●ver planted Acts 15. 9. Mat. 17. 20. Luke 17. 6. and is called the Ev●●●nce and Substance Hebr. 11. 1. and Christ is said to ●●●ll in the Heart by Faith because the true and living Faith re●llizeth good things to the Soul as the Eye doth by Union with its Object to the Body Faith being the Instrument by which the Life and Vertue of the Blood of Christ that justifies is received or sucked into the Soul that is justified and thereby perfects forever those that are ●anctified whose Eye being alwayes fixed single on that which clen●eth their whole Body must needs be full of Light and Glory J. C. Rebellion Rebuked IN AN ANSWER TO A Scandalous Pamphlet ENTITLED The Quaker Converted to Christianity c. AS concerning this Young-man whom William Haworth calls The Quaker Converted and giveth his Book that Title VVe would have all Moderate People to judge by what follows whether he was such a one as he hath stiled him For he hath affirmed in his Epistle to that little Pamphlet That he was fully of their Way Faith Spirit and Principle And that he went farther then most of them towards that they call Perfection And that he is now able to engage any Quaker in England in Discourse Making a very great Boast with much Joy as if he had taken some great Prize or obtained a great Victory as may be seen in his foresaid Epistle Now here followeth the Young-man's own words by which ye may perceive how far he was a Quaker and see if W. H. doth yet understand what they and their Perfection is and when did he hear them call that Perfection which this Young-man had attained to viz. p. 7. And when I thought of going to the Quakers these things which I did not like among them kept me back having not Ground in my self for to do them of which Silent Meetings was the chief Putting off my Hat was another For when I met with one Friend or other if I saluted him with my Hat I knew not that I did offend God any more then if I did not Now there were some things which the Quakers did that I was not convinced of And concluded He coul● not agree with them in all things pag. 4. And pag. 1. I went several times as other Boyes d●d only this I was taken off from having D●light in Sports and Pastimes quickly after my going mark that and at that tim● I was of that ●●am of Spirit that I was ready to ass●nt to every thing the Quakers did whether I had Ground for it or not pag. 2. Here ye may read and understan● this Young Men's Perfection in the Quakers Way and com●are it with Will●●m Haworth's Affirmation as aforesaid and then let all Sober and Rational People judge if this Young-man was f●lly of th●ir Way Spirit Faith and Principle and w●nt farther towards that they call Perfection then most of th●m as he hath affirmed pag. 1. First Whether it be the Quakers way Faith Spirit and Principle to dislike Silent Meetings as this Young-man did which kept him back mark that 2dly Whether it be the Quakers Way Faith Spirit and Principle to Salute their Friends or any other with putting off their Hats as this
the Knowledge of the Gospel might discourage thee from making his Book publick c. Answ I wonder at it seeing thou saidst before that it is not possible for any to receive it truly and forsake it which if he hath not done thou speakest unadvisedly with thy Lips in saying It s an Experience which the Lord in rich Mercy gave him whom thou also callest Dear Elect Child and sayst Flesh and Blood hath not revealed this to him but our Father which is in Heaven But how can he that thus Contradicteth himself agree with the Truth in others Again Oh! that every one of you my dear Brethren and every one in Hartford had the Knowledge of Christ thus distinctly formed in you till which thing be the Soul of him to whom Christ hath committed you as his Charge shall Travel in Birth and be in Pain Blessing God that his poor Labours have not altogether been in vain as to this matter Answ What is that Travel and Labour worth that brings not to the distinct Knowledge of Christ And what a Church is that and what a Pastor is he and how can they be Dear Brethren in Truth in whom the dictinct Knowledge of Christ is not yet formed Thou sayst That thy daily Prayers to Christ is that we all meaning thy Brethren in the Ministry may be made able Ministers of the New Testament Answ Then it seems you are not yet so by thy own Confession therefore be silent till you are made so Thou sayest You have but Law and Gospel to preach Answ Where in all the New Testament dost thou find the Apostles preaching the Law and saying They were sent to preach the Law But a Dispensation of the Gospel was committed to them and they were made able Ministers of the New Testament not of the Letter or Law but of the Spirit But why dost thou divide between Law and Gospel as if they were not one in their End and Nature saying The Law for the Conviction of Sin c. and yet thou call'st it Spiritual Answ The Spirit is said to Convince or Reprove the Unbelieving World John 16. 8. Jude 15. saith He shall Convince all that are Vngodly of all their Vngodly Deeds c. Again The Law is said to be perfect converting the Soul and making Wise the Simple Psalm 17. 7. So that Law and Spirit are frequently used as Terms that signifie the same thing and if thou Experimentally knewest the Spirituallity of the Law thou wouldst not go about to divide them or quarrel with us about them But hence hath risen the Mistakes of many viz. because they have found several Names or Terms in Scripture therefore concluded they must needs intend several things while it is frequent in Scripture to intend one and the same thing under several Names as Father Son and Spirit have several Names given to them yet one in Nature or Beeing several Ministrations divers Operations c. and yet all by one and the same Spirit 1 Cor. 12. We know the Spirituallity of the Law in the Apostle's Sense is the inward Convictions of the Spirit manifesting also God's holy Will and Commandments requiring perfect Obedience thereunto which man finding himself unable to do then the Sword or Law of the Spirit slayes him and he dyes being made willing so to do by God's Power or Law within though Self and Flesh cryes out to escape here thou fledst and savedst thy Life But into this Death thou must come if ever thou enterest into God's Kingdom the Talking of it will not serve in this State the Dead hear the Voice of the Son of God and live and his own Arm being then revealed raiseth up this Dead Man when no Eye so much as pittied him his Condition being so hid and unknown to all living in his former Estate then he gives Thanks from the very inward of his Soul to God through Jesus Christ crying out now as in a holy Triumph That there is no Condemnation now to them that are in Christ Jesus who walk not after the Flesh but after th● Spirit Rom. 8. 1 2. where that Ransomed Captive renders the Reason of his Joy viz. because the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus had made him free from the Law of Sin and Death Mark How he attributes that to the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus which before he ascribed to Jesus Christ as having an inward Sense and Feeling both of his Saviour and the Salvation come to his poor Soul thereby Thou either Ignorantly or Enviously if not both affirmest That whoever hath tasted that the Lord is Gracious never takes up with the Quakers Christ Oh! that the Gospel were studied by us more and preached by us more Answ The Quakers Christ is the Lord 's Christ as is shewed before the same that deliver'd Paul from his wretched State And if thou hadst understood what thou saidst immediately before concerning the Blood of Christ which thou call'st as Oyl poured into the Gashes of Conscience thou wouldst not have spoken thus sleightingly if not blasphemously of the Quakers Christ For all the Tasters and Feelers inwardly know him to be God's own Arm revealed when no Eye else pitties them But thou with many more have the outward words concerning these things yet are inwardly and experimentally Strangers to the Life and Vertue of them in your own Hearts and Consciences which Knowledge the Quakers account with the Apostle to be the Excellency of the Knowledge of Christ Oh vain man Dost thou think by thy Fleshly Study and preaching from the same to Advance the True Christ Nay but Man and Self instead of Christ and his Righteousness For the Gospel is a Mystery and the true Preaching of it Foolishness to all that Perish and the Things of it are the Heavenly Things themselves searched out only by the Spirit of God for they are too deep for Man's Will Study or Wisdom to find out Therefore cease from thy own Study and wait in the Silence of all Fle●● for the pouring forth of the Spirit which only can open the Mysteries of Christ and his Righteousness and shew them unto thee Thou say'st We are to conceive of God according as the Scriptures set him forth to us Answ But the Scriptures contrariwise condemn all Man's Conceivings saying Eye hath not seen Ear hath not heard neither hath it entred into the Heart of Man to conceive what God hath laid up for them that love him The Scriptures are true as God means them not as Man by his Conceivings interprets them and the Understanding of every True Disciple must be opened by Christ before he can rightly know them as 't is written He opened their Vnderstandings that they might und●rstand the Scriptures for until then they are a sealed Book both to the Learned and Unlearned Isaiah 29. 11 12. Thou utter'st many words about the Confession of Sin as if the Quakers were against the Confession of Sins to God