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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
conscience_n	blood_n	purge_v	sprinkle_v	2,278	5	11.3241	5	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A78137	A reply to the frivolous and impertinent ansvver of R.B. to the discourse of P.B. In which discourse is shewed, that the baptisme in the defection of Antichrist, is the ordinance of God, notwithstanding the corruptions that attend the same, and that the baptisme of infants is lawfull, both which are vindicated from the exceptions of R.B. and further cleared by the same authour. There is also a reply, in way of answer to some exceptions of E.B. against the same.	Barbon, Praisegod, 1596?-1679.	1643 (1643)	Wing B755; Thomason E96_20; ESTC R5151	48,062	73

be borne so he concludeth this particular saying they doe not lose by dipping the holding forth their washing in the blood of Christ and againe he must father a falsehood on me about sprinkling ere he leave it R. B. proceedeth and taketh further notice of what I write and setting down a part only that doth not hold forth my meaning but the contrary hee answereth thereunto as pleaseth him I said all doe or may know that a thing dipped is not therefore washed neither is washing alwayes intended in the dipping of a thing in water there is a washing by dipping I said R. B. answereth that much lesse is that which is sprinkled therefore washed I argued to inforce washing as the maine thing and dipping but an accident in the way of washing as is sprinkling in like maner for as there may be dipping without washing so there may be sprinkling also but he mindeth further what I said that a thing dipped is not therefore washed and made cleane I said washing is not alwayes intended as before in the dipping of a thing this I said to inforce washing as most fully significant and according to the nature of the ordinance To this he answereth that much lesse is that which is sprinkled washed and made cleane I say a thing may be sprinkled as well as dipped and not washed or made cleane yet there is a way of washing and cleansing also by sprinkling Ezek. 36. 25. he saith he hath proved that is washing so I have shewed that sprinkling is also he saith he that is dipped is washed so is he that is sprinkled also he saith by consequence he is made cleane so far as the ordinance doth require I say so also of sprinkling according to that which is the life and substance of the ordinance the cleansing of the soule in the blood of Christ Ezek. 36. Surely R. B. will acknowledge that washing is the principall thing in baptisme and that there are divers wayes or manners of washing And that at the most dipping is but a way of washing I say no more but that to me it is an admirable thing that any should lay such waight on that way of washing as that all other wayes should be nullities in their account especially that washing the maine and principall thing in the ordinance should not be baptisme or the ordinance of Christ when that so fully holdeth forth our washing in the blood of Christ that blessed fountaine and cleansing thereby I declared what I thought the ordinary way of their washing to be by dipping the thing in water and rubbing or the like in those countries where baptisme was first instituted I said it is yet the way or manner of washing in some cases as may be seene in the Diers washing their matterialls in the river Thames R. B. applieth this to baptisme as if I spake of that sure he was dull of understanding he saith they doe practice so namely dipping and when I can prove he saith they dipped oft they will dip often too like enough so I say for they are for all new things right or wrong But R. B. tell me did they not dip often to cleanse in the ordinary way of their washing looke but on your owne example produced to prove dipping washing was he not to wash seaven times doe not those I mentioned dip or plunge their materialls oft in water R. B. carrying the matter in his assumed sence as●eth me why I am offended with them for dipping but once I told him that totall dipping was the thing I excepted against for dipping by way of washing not totall but of a part I told him it was a laudable way especially in hot countries R. B. saith further that if they dipped by way of washing at the first then is dipping the good old way Iere. 6. 16. a very poore conclusion I reason in like case thus if they eat the Supper in an upper Chamber or at night or leaning the conclusion would be alike to no purpose hee asketh why I reproach their practice I answer because they urge that which they can never prove by one syllable of the scriptures namely ●otall dipping and also lay such load upon one way of washing by dipping when washing it selfe is rejected but R. B. saith he seeth I love to wrangle I say he sure loveth to pervert councell by words he would not make his reader I●b 38. 2. believe I spake of baptisme else when I spake of common washing That I love to wrangle he saith appeareth because in stead of dipping often and rubbing to cleanse I now say a little water serveth to set forth our washing in the blood of Christ as well as a great deale and the washing of one part as the face as the usuall manner is as well as the washing of the whole man I do acknowledge I doe so hold and am willing to be judged by the godly wise whether it be not so For I reason thus if a great deale of water be necessary in Baptisme then a great deale of bread and wine in the Supper by like reason which indeed would carnallize the ordinance and again if a great deale be necessary and the quantitie have such force in it then the greater quantitie the greater force and more full holding forth the fulnesse of the blood of Christ And so not some little brooke like old Foord but rather the great sea for this argument wolud carry men ad infinitum But truely I thinke one dro● of Christs blood to be of that force and efficacie that i●●e be but sprinkled with it it will purge our conscience from dead workes I would pray R. B. and all other to observe the place by me alleadged not to prove Baptisme or the manner of it as he would seeme to take it but to illustrate the thing in difference touching totall dipping and washing but of a part and a little water and much For sure I thinke R. B. his answer will be counted weake and unsound in that he saith a little water serveth not to set forth our washing in the blood of Christ as doth a great deale as for that place produced Zacha. 13. 1. The Lord aimeth at the purenesse of the blood of Christ and unexhaustiblenesse of it rather then at the muchnesse of it for then a sea the greatest of all waters rather then a fountaine would have beene exprest the which I leave to the judgement of the reader R. B. his judgement concerning a part not answerable to the whole is as weake as the former he saith the washing of a part doth not set forth the cleansing of the whole whom shall we beleeve our Lord or him our Lord told Peter in all ●●●n 13. cases of washing I do not say it was Baptizing as he would make the reader beleeve that he that is washed needed not but to be washed in one part and is cleane all in the 36. Ezek. sprinkling it cleanseth from all sinne and filthinesse sure

against springling or washing they produce that Rom. 6. Collo 2. 12. of Buriall with Christ which sprinkling they judge cannot import or hold forth To which I in my discourse answered that sprinkling or powreing water on the face doth hold our Buriall and resurrection also and indeed I judge it doth and so understanding men will account whatsoever R. B. thinketh to the contrary to this purpose I alleadged that in the 10. Corinth of being baptised in the cloud and Sea and the Scripture telleth us they went over on drie ground to this R. B. answereth not for indeed he could not they were dipped they were buried as saith the word But here hee inferreth that by this reason they should not bee sprinkled Why because they had not water on them But R. B. may minde how they had the Sea on either side and the Cloud over them and were in the Water That the Spirit accounteth Baptisme as it doth Sprinkling and washing as well as dipping so as Water is necessary for baptising but the use of it may be divers some more neere and some more remote from the written manner and full scope of the ordinance and yet have the substance of the Ordinance in it And if R. B. could make the sea divi●e as Moses did and should carry one of his disciples into it they might be so Baptized as they were I shall beare his derision and proceed The Baptisme in the Cloud and Sea urged pleaseth him not he therefore seeketh by a question to intrap first he would know whether I hold it the Baptisme of Christ instituted Mat. 28. I let R. B. know I hold it the Baptisme of Christ as the spiritual meat and drink were that are there also spoken of and that it held forth and had an eye to that Baptisme after ordained by Christ Matth. 28. as the spirituall bread and drink there did c. And held forth the foode in the Lords supper the substance of all which was and is Christ so as it is a verie pertinent instance and example what ever R B. thinketh But he hath a farther demande wherein he abuseth himselfe and me and the reader with one of his accustomed Fables fathering a thing which was never my iudgement nor practise about sprinkling I let R B. know I hold water necessary in Baptisme I● he can divide the sea let him so Baptize I shall not finde fault with him his inference is vain about voluntary Religion and will not help his Baptisme garments at all To that by me objected that the forceing Baptisme thus to hold forth buriall we lose that which it holdeth forth equally with buriall Namely the sprinkling of the Consci●nce in the blood of Christ Esay 52. 15. Heb. 10. 2● Ezek. 36. 25. Heb. 12. 24. And the Laver of Regeneration and washing in the blood of Christ that blessed fountain Acts 22. 16. Heb. 10. 21. 1. Corin. 6. 11. Re. 1. 5. R. B. answereth denying that sprinkling in the blood of Christ is required to be held forth in Baptisme to which I say it is an easie thing to denie a matter never so plain I shall refer the matter to the judgement of the Godly wise whether the outward washing in Baptisme doth not hold out every way of cleansing of the soule in the blood of the Covenant Baptisme is the outward way of washing away sin It was said to Saul Acts 22. 16. Be baptized and wash away thy sin c. Now sprinkling with which R. B. is so much offended is a way of inward washing away of sin as before and if R. B. please to consider the Scriptures again in speciall that in the 36. Ezek. He may if he be not overswayed by preiudice happily change his minde so as to see that sprinkling both outwardly and inwardly hath in it the nature of washing to cleanse And though hee like an unwise man hath againe censured my iudgement practise about this matter he hath condemned me being innocent for I tell him once againe I hold washing more fully according to the nature of the ordinance but sprinkling being a way of washing to cleanse cannot be altogether reiected he hath something further here which because I doe not understand his aime and drift being unwilling to father any thing on him but what he holdeth I passe it by and the rather because it is but the repeating of the scriptures before set forth he being mightily taken with his sence of them pleasing himselfe with his owne conceipt that sprinkling for washing or cleansing is borrowed from the shadowes under the Law and so no whit to the purpose and so he would put by ●he manner as no way significant but onely the matter blood sure the spirit knew how to teach if we knew how to learne I will sprinkle cleane water upon them and they shall be cleane againe the blood of sprinkling and our Conscience sprinkled Is there nothing in these and the like but onely so as to be borrowed from the Law and that is all I suppose R. B. is deceived at the least But now to that other particular of washing in the blood of Christ which I said was also lost by thus inforcing dipping He answereth that I am much mistaken Why how appeareth it in the iudgement of the spirit he saith dipping is washing so I say in like manner is sprinkling also as before Ezek 36. But if dipping be washing then washing may be dipping in a spiritual sence sure it is where is R. B. then But though dipping be a way of washing yet all dipping is not washing nor so intended a thing may be dipped in water for other ends as for instance a Smith dippeth his hot iron in water and intendeth no washing he saith to washing by the way of dipping much water is required Indeed totall dipping must have some quantitie but lesse then Iordan or Enon rivers may suffice to dip a person over head and eares he saith here it doth follow that as dipping the whole man c. it doth lively represent our buriall c. so doing it in much water must import a full resemblance of our washing in the blood of Christ Zach. 13. 1. To which I say sure our Lord did not thinke so of the quantitie of either water or washing as R. B. doth Peter was indeed some way of his minde it appeareth our Lord tooke a Basen and he told Peter that would needs be washed all over as they will be by dipping that he that is washed needs not but to be washed in one part c. R. B. here sure forgot Iohn 13. himselfe the manner in the case of sprinkling though much inforced he would have to import nothing onely the matter but in the case of dipping he will have the maner as essentiall as the matter And the quantitie of the element he will have as significant as the matter to wit water it selfe But though he be partiall it being his owne cause it must