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if_o he_o have_v judge_v this_o cause_n of_o caecilianus_n without_o his_o majesty_n commission_n it_o shall_v be_v demonstrate_v that_o saint_n augustin_n maintain_v the_o quite_o contrary_a and_o reproach_n the_o donatist_n that_o even_o against_o their_o own_o hold_v the_o emperor_n not_o to_o be_v a_o competent_a judge_n of_o ecclesiastical_a difference_n they_o make_v use_v of_o he_o in_o this_o controversy_n and_o at_o the_o same_o time_n find_v fault_n with_o caecilianus_n and_o felix_n etc._n felix_n an_fw-mi fortè_fw-la sicut_fw-la quidam_fw-la dixit_fw-la quod_fw-la quidem_fw-la cum_fw-la nobis_fw-la diceretur_fw-la displicuit_fw-la sed_fw-la tamen_fw-la praetermittendum_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la ait_fw-fr enim_fw-la quidam_fw-la non_fw-la debuit_fw-la episcopus_fw-la proconsulari_fw-la iudicio_fw-la purgarâ—_n etc._n etc._n for_o defend_v themselves_o before_o a_o secular_a judge_n a_o certain_a man_n say_v saint_n augustin_n mean_v one_o of_o the_o donatist_n themselves_o 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qui_fw-la ad_fw-la eum_fw-la etiam_fw-la pretes_n miserant_fw-la ad_fw-la quem_fw-la posteà _fw-la provocarunt_fw-la &_o tamen_fw-la iuditio_fw-la eorum_fw-la acquiescere_fw-la noluerunt_fw-la out_o of_o these_o word_n you_o see_v saint_n augustin_n say_v it_o belong_v to_o constantins_n care_n most_o of_o all_o to_o examine_v or_o inquire_v into_o that_o matter_n because_o the_o donatist_n have_v desire_v he_o to_o be_v arbiter_n or_o judge_n of_o it_o and_o caecilianus_n and_o felix_n do_v not_o or_o rather_o dare_v not_o except_o against_o he_o as_o appear_v by_o the_o saint_n word_n excuse_v these_o two_o for_o not_o except_v against_o that_o lay_a judge_n which_o the_o donatist_n impose_v upon_o they_o and_o tax_v these_o for_o recur_v to_o he_o wherefore_o say_v saint_n augustin_n ep._n 162._o etc._n 162._o itaque_fw-la si_fw-la culpandus_fw-la est_fw-la quem_fw-la judâ—x_n â—errenus_fw-la abâ—oâ—uit_fw-la cum_fw-la ipse_fw-la â—bi_fw-la hoc_fw-la non_fw-la proposcisset_fw-la quâ—nto_fw-la magiâ—_n culpandi_fw-la sunt_fw-la qui_fw-la terrenum_fw-la râ—gem_fw-la suae_fw-la causae_fw-la iudicem_fw-la esse_fw-la voluerunâ—_n si_fw-mi autem_fw-la criminis_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la provocare_fw-la ad_fw-la impâ—ratorem_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la criminis_fw-la audiri_fw-la ab_fw-la imperatore_n ergâ—_fw-la nec_fw-la ab_fw-la illo_fw-la câ—â—_n causam_fw-la delegaverit_n imperator_fw-la d_o aug_n ibid._n quendam_fw-la evam_fw-la suspenâ—um_fw-la eculeo_fw-la in_o causa_fw-la felicis_fw-la episcopi_fw-la amicus_fw-la ille_fw-la voâ—uit_fw-la criminati_fw-la etc._n etc._n quote_v by_o yourself_o mr._n walsh_n if_o he_o ought_v to_o be_v blame_v who_o be_v declare_v by_o a_o temporal_a judge_n when_o he_o desire_v none_o such_o how_o much_o more_o be_v they_o to_o be_v blame_v that_o will_v needs_o have_v a_o temporal_a king_n to_o be_v judge_n of_o their_o cause_n but_o if_o it_o be_v no_o crime_n to_o appeal_v to_o the_o emperor_n sure_o it_o be_v no_o crime_n to_o be_v hear_v by_o the_o emperor_n therefore_o neither_o be_v it_o any_o to_o be_v hear_v by_o he_o to_o who_o the_o emperor_n do_v delegat_v the_o cause_n this_o be_v a_o good_a argument_n ad_fw-la hominem_fw-la against_o the_o donatist_n they_o also_o object_v against_o the_o bishop_n felix_n that_o one_o be_v torture_v in_o the_o examination_n of_o his_o cause_n to_o wrest_v the_o truth_n from_o he_o saint_n augustin_n excuse_v felix_n from_o be_v any_o way_n unblamable_a in_o that_o business_n nunquid_fw-la poterat_fw-la fellix_fw-la say_v he_o contradicere_fw-la ne_fw-la tanta_fw-la diligentia_fw-la vel_fw-la severitate_fw-la quaereretur_fw-la cum_fw-la eius_fw-la causam_fw-la inveniendam_fw-la cognitor_fw-la agitaret_fw-la quid_fw-la enim_fw-la erat_fw-la aliud_fw-la nolle_fw-la sic_fw-la quaeri_fw-la quam_fw-la de_fw-la crimine_fw-la confiteri_fw-la how_o can_v felix_n hinder_v the_o diligence_n or_o severity_n of_o he_o that_o inquire_v into_o that_o cause_n will_v he_o not_o have_v confess_v himself_o guilty_a if_o he_o have_v obstruct_v that_o examination_n here_o you_o see_v mr._n walsh_n how_o s._n augustin_n blame_v the_o donatist_n bishop_n for_o repair_v to_o a_o lay_v judge_n but_o excuse_v the_o catholic_a bishop_n caecilianus_n and_o felix_n for_o defend_v themselves_o before_o a_o lay_v judge_n who_o they_o do_v not_o desire_v to_o be_v judge_n of_o that_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n there_o be_v great_a difference_n between_o the_o plaintiff_n and_o the_o defendant_n many_o thing_n be_v lawful_o do_v in_o a_o man_n defence_n when_o he_o be_v violent_o or_o unreasonable_o assault_v which_o be_v not_o lawful_a when_o do_v otherwise_o the_o same_o practice_n of_o the_o donatist_n bishop_n recur_v bishop_n recur_v friar_z walsh_n imitat_v the_o donatists_n example_n in_o his_o persecute_v catholik_o bishop_n to_o a_o secular_a judge_n of_o their_o own_o accord_n and_o tax_v the_o catholic_a bishop_n with_o a_o crime_n for_o answer_v and_o defend_v themselves_o when_o they_o be_v recommand_v to_o appear_v before_o the_o same_o judge_n do_v saint_n augustin_n object_n in_o his_o 48._o epistle_n also_o which_o you_o quote_v as_o favour_v the_o quite_o contrary_a nay_o saint_n augustin_n himself_o say_v you_o pag._n 350._o open_o say_v and_o aver_n that_o neither_o the_o accuse_v or_o appeal_n bishop_n themselves_o be_v to_o be_v reprehend_v on_o this_o account_n that_o they_o draw_v or_o bring_v the_o affair_n or_o cause_n of_o or_o accusation_n against_o other_o bishop_n to_o a_o secular_a judicatory_a for_o thus_o he_o write_v ep._n 48._o si_fw-mi autem_fw-la sicut_fw-la falsò_fw-la arbitramini_fw-la verè_fw-la criminosum_fw-la caecilianum_fw-la iudicandum_fw-la terrent_n potestatibus_fw-la tradiderant_fw-la quid_fw-la obijâ—itis_fw-la quod_fw-la vestrorum_fw-la praesumptio_fw-la primitus_fw-la fecit_fw-la he_o speak_v to_o the_o late_a donatist_n quod_fw-la eos_fw-la non_fw-la arguerimus_fw-la say_v he_o quia_fw-la 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