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A09300 A viewe of some part of such publike wants & disorders as are in the seruice of God, within her Maiesties countrie of VVales togither vvith an humble petition, vnto this high Court of Parliament for their speedy redresse. Wherein is shevved, not only the necessitie of reforming the state of religion among that people, but also the onely way, in regarde of substaunce, to bring that reformation to passe. Penry, John, 1559-1593. 1589 (1589) STC 19613; ESTC S114394 56,807 98

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seditious and discontented men with the ciuil gouernment dangerous subiectes enimies vnto her Maiesties crown And surely the cause being made knowne vnto you as nowe it is how soeuer the Lord may beare with your ouersight heretofore in the ignoraunce of the waight thereof yet if you doe not nowe abrogate such a church gouernment well may you hope for the fauour and intertainement of Moses that is the curse of the lawe but the fauoure and louing countenaunce of Iesus Christ I doe not see how you shal euer enjoy To prosecute this point a litle farther In most humble manner I would know of you that are of this high court whether of these 2. pointes following you would be said to maintain by the continuance of the aforesaid callings corruptions within Wales For of either of the 2. you must needes be guiltie First doe you think you may presume to defend by your authoritie and lawes such offices and officers in the ecclesiastical state whereby the churche is to be gouerned that is such a Church gouernment as in your consciences you cannot but acknowledg to be vnlawful before the Lord and hurtful vnto his Church Secondly doe you thinke that any Church gouernment can be lawfull before your God and profitable vnto his church which the Lord Iesus Christ himself hath not prescribed in his word The which point whosoeuer goeth about to defend he as before you haue hard maketh Iesus Christ who as he is the onely head of his churche so he hath the alone jurisdiction to ordaine the gouerment therof not to haue in the gouerment of his owne house as great a prerogatiue as Moses had I earnestlie intreat you thē that as you would not be accounted ether to defēd countenāce those things which in your owne consciences are sinful or to account such a Church gouernment to be lawful as cannot stand with the roiall souerainty that Iesus Christ hath in his church so to see the spedy abolishing of al dumbe ministers Lorde Bishops Archdeacons commissaries chauncellors c. Out of the church vnder your gouernment in Wales You are now intreated to abrogate no other Church gouerment then that which either in your own consciences you must acknowledg to be vnlawful and odious in the sight of God and therfore without delay to be remoued or such a regiment the vnlawefulnes whereof if with our Bishops you should go about to maintaine then should you rob Iesus Christ of the prerogatiue priueledge wherwith the spirit of God hath adorned him Heb. 3.6 Because it hath ben shewed that it was not lawful for any state or power to ordaine any other forme of gouernment in the church vnder the lawe then that prescribed by Moses If then you think our church gouernment by Lord Bb. Archdeacons dumb ministers c in your consciences to be vnlawful that is if you think it vnlawful for a minister to ioine the office of a ciuil Magistrate with his ministerie and to beare rule and dominion ouer his bretheren either as a spiritual or temporal Lord if you think it vnlawfull for a Lord Bishop to beare soueraigne authoritie of al the ministers within his diocesse and if you think it vnlaweful that their ministerie with the execution thereof should depend vpon his plesure or disliking if also in your conscience you think it vnlawful for him to take the charge of al the soules within 4. or 5. shires and to take the charge of those mens soules whose faces for the most part he wel knoweth he shal neuer behold if in like mannet you think it vnlawfull for an Archdeacon whose name and office was neuer read of in the word and in his best institution is but to atend vpon the ministers and looke vnto the poore to haue a great number of ministers at his becke and controlment or if you think it vnlawful in your soules and consciences for our dumb ministers the patrons of al ignorance and blindenes to take vpon them the office of the imbassadors of Iesus Christ to declare his will vnto the people the best part wherof they them selues neuer know thē there is no question to be made but that either you wil vtterly raze the memorie of this wicked and vngodly generation out of the Churche of Wales or openly manifest vnto men and angels that you will to the contumelious dishonor of your God and the vndoing of his church countenance and maintaine L. Bishops Archdeacons dumbe ministers with the rest of that vngodly race whose corruptions in youre owne consciences you cannot but detest On the other side if you think it lawful for you to ordain what forme of church gouernment you like best of and so holde it lawful to maintaine this established among vs then see what wil follow the diminishinge of the prerogatiue that Iesus Christ hath in the gouernment of his church And that I feare me wil be this The Lord will enter into iudgement with you of this parliament for al the soules that hereafter shal be damned in Wales Because you make it lawfull by your authority for such guides to be ouer your people as cannot possiblie lead and direct them in the waies of godlines and saluation He wil enter into judgment with you for al the sinnes that shal be there commited for want of gouerment which his son Christ hath ordained as a meanes to keepe men from transgressing against their God He will enter into judgment with you for the monstrous profanation whereby those proude pope like and blinde guides haue polluted his house in the dayes of your gouernment which you shoulde haue withstood He wil enter in to judgmnt with you for the punishments that are likely to fall vpon them because you haue countenanced and freely priueleadged them by lawe to prouoke his wrath in that greuous sort against their own souls He wil alsoe it is to be feared enter into judgement with the whol land for this your sinne and make his sword drunk with the bloud of our slain men yea he wil giue the whole kingdom high and lowe into the handes of the enemie that is cruel and skilful to destroy that all the nations vnder heauen professing religion may feare and take heed howe they doe not only denye to be gouerned by the lawes of his sonne Iesus Christ but which is more grieuous in stead thereof establishe such institutions as are directly against his maiesties reuealed will If those thinges be not likely to fall vppon vs except the aboue mencioned vnlawfull callings of Lord Bb. dumbe ministers c. be now at once euen in this Parliament rooted out of the churche in Wales let not my head go to the graue in peace Where are they now who vsually affirm the intent or motiō of remouing L. Bb. dum ministers ye the whol church gouerment established in wales to be a matter odious in the sight of her Maiestie dangerous to the state Cannot hir Maiesty abide to heare