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A treatise of religion and governmemt [sic] with reflexions vpon the cause and cure of Englands late distempers and present dangersĀ· The argument vvhether Protestancy is less dangerous to the soul, or more advantagious to the state, then the Roman Catholick religion? The conclusion that piety and policy are mistaken in promoting Protestancy, and persecuting Popery by penal and sanguinary statuts.
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Wilson, John, M.A.
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1670
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Wing T118; ESTC R223760
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need therfore powerful and ãâ¦ã Princes and nations fear a Iurisdiction they ãâ¦ã seing the so much talked of papal ãâ¦ã so litle prevail against Catholiks that own it ãâã other reason why the Popes spiritual supremacy is not ãâã dangerous is because they who acknowldge the power ãâã themselves the liberty of judging of the lawfulness of ãâã âpplication and to know whether it be justly exercised by ãâ¦ã whose censures and sentences are limited to so ãâã causes and conditions known to every Catholik Lawyer ãâã Divin that they can hardly disturbe a state if any of the previous admonitions and requisit formalities be omitted were acknowledged would employ it now as willinâââ to the advantage of the english Monarchy as his ãâã did in the reign of Q. Mary by condescending that ãâã Church revenues may be spent in more pious and publik ãâã then they are at present Notwithstanding the visible advantages which ãâã vnto all Catholik Soveraigns by admitting the ãâã of the Pope's spiritual Iurisdiction in their Kingdoms and ââminions and the litle or no danger which therby can come ãâã ââotestant Princes yet because Q. Elizabeth was proceeded ãâã by the Sea of Rome whose case was very different from ãâã of the Stewards vndoubted heires of the Crown no ãâã of England saith the Protestant Clergy must trust ãâã Roman Catholicks so many and so malignant are ãâã suggestions and suspitions which these Ministers endeavor ãâã in privy Councellors and the members of Parliaments ãâã and all this to reape the benefit of the Church lands ãâã ââââselves that a fancyed possibility without any ãâã of disturbing the peace and Government is preached ãâã printed by these Sir Polls to be a sufficient reason of state ãâ¦ã Roman Catholiks vncapable of serving the state ãâã which is wors they have lately endeavored by their ãâã in Court Countrey and Parliament to question the ãâã prerogative and his Councell's prudence for publishing ãâ¦ã which he had promised at Breda in favor of ãâã conferences so conscious they are of their own guilt ãâã they doubt not but the least countenance shewed to ãâã will discover the frauds wherby themselves deprive ãâã estate of so vast a revenue And because the chief Ministers ãâã state are out of their piety or policy inclined to ãâã moderation towards tender consciences and the Protestant ãâã dare not oppose it directly they cease not by means of some false Brethren and debaucht Friars to render all good intentions for our relief vneffectual by inculcating the necessity of a publik instrument not much differing from the Oath of alleagiance which they framed in King James his reign that insteed of acknowledging the Kings temporal Soveraignty gives him an vnheard of jurisdiction over souls or at least by reason of the ambiguous and offensive wording therof doth engage even Catholiks as will take it in an endless quarrell with their spiritual Superiors without rendring therby any service to their temporal Soveraign but rather making themselves vnfit to appeare for his or their own right in Ecclesiasticall Catholik Courts Therfore as well to satisfie the State concerning our allegiance and fidelity to our King as to avoyd the obloquys and artifices of the Protestant Clergy we humbly offer to his Majesty and his Ministers ãâã that we shall swear or sign any instrument or engagement ãâã fidelity to him which Catholik Subjects sweare or sign to their Catholik soveraigns To exact more strict obedience from so inconsiderable a party as we are vnder a Protestant Prince against the Bishop of Rome's pretention then any Catholiks of the world think fit either in conscience or prudenâââ to give to their own ãâã seems not necessary and would savor more ãâã presumption in vs against the Church of Rome then of affection to the Crown of England 3. They who teach that Kings ãâ¦ã dâposed for heresy maintain they may be also dâposed ãâã Tyranny and notwithstanding that ãâ¦ã their Soveraigns taxes Tyranny then their opinionâ ãâã yet because Popes seldom countenance Subjectâ complaints and proceedings against their Princes pretended Tyranny none fears to be deposed as Tyrants How litle Popes have intermedled with Protestant Princes if not persecutors is visible to the whole world If therfore Catholik Kings apprehended no danger or prejudice from the Bishop of Rome his censures against Tyranny because they are so sparing of them notwithstanding the inclination of their Subjects to solicit and obey such Censures I see no cause protestants Kings have to fear Censâââs for heresy wherof the Sea Apostolik is no less sparing ãâã he answered that Catholik princes by the principles of ãâã Religion or at least by reason of the probability and pââsibility of the opinions against heresy and Tyranny must ãâã the hazard of being thaught deposable in those cases we ãâã protestants to consider whether it be reasonable in them ãâã of us poore English or Irish Subjects a Declaration ãâã those opinions which the most powerfull Catholik ãâã of Christendom dare not contradict for fear either of ãâã Christianity or of vndergoing the censures of the ãâã Consistory notwithstanding their temporal concern ãâã countenance a persuasion that seems to check their regal ãâã Never any King had or can have more reason to ãâã Bellarmin's opinion or other such like then the French ãâã since the loss of Navarr and the Troubles of the ãâ¦ã yet whensoever the Parliament of Paris and the ãâã of Sorbon censured the same opinions the King and ãâã of France were so far from giving them thanks that ãâã disowned and declared voyd their Censures condemning ãâã for intermedling in the matter and vnder pain of his ãâã indignation and of being held for seditious and ãâã of the publik repose commanded them and all ãâã not to move or dispute any questions of that nature ãâã the right either of Popes or of temporal Soveraigns ãâã be seen at large in Monsieur Bouchet a French Author ãâã Richerist and therfore not to be suspected of favoring ãâã Sea of Rome And as for the Church of France it is so ãâã from such disputes as every one may Judg by Cardinal ãâã Oration in name of the whole Clergy to the states of thââ Kingdom Two years ago Monsieur Talon the Kings Attârney objected to some Doctors of Sorbon that their Faculty held the doctrin of the deposition of Kings but they declared that though some particular members of the Vniversity had long since taught the doctrin yet the Faculty never resolved the question True it is that the Kings of France permit not their Subjects now to preach or publish any such doctrin and Iudg that prohibition to be a sufficient security against it and I see no reason why protestant Kings should not think the same a sufficient security for themselves and questionless they would did not over-offiâious persons misinform the Ministers of state by imposing vpon them that the Church of France doth practise such Oaths engagements or Remââstrances as the Parliament