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A04474 A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie. Jewel, John, 1522-1571.; Harding, Thomas, 1516-1572. Answere to Maister Juelles chalenge. 1565 (1565) STC 14606; ESTC S112269 1,001,908 682

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follow_v any_o other_o gospel_n accurse_a be_v he_o yet_o be_v neither_o s._n ambrose_n nor_o anastasius_n the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n as_o for_o the_o execution_n of_o sentence_n 40._o and_o deprivinge_n or_o deposinge_v of_o bishop_n m._n hardinge_n know_v the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n authority_n be_v to_o weak_a and_o therefore_o innocentius_n saithe_v of_o pelagius_n innocen●ij_fw-la quibus_fw-la acceptis_fw-la literis_fw-la aut_fw-la quando_fw-la committer_n se_fw-la nostro_fw-la judicio_fw-la upon_o what_o letter_n or_o when_o will_v he_o yield_v himself_o to_o my_o judgement_n for_o this_o cause_n felix_n the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n 1._o pray_v aid_n of_o the_o emperor_n zeno_n and_o the_o emperor_n answer_v admisimus_fw-la depositionem_fw-la anthymi_n we_o have_v admit_v the_o deposition_n of_o anthymus_n 4._o otherwise_o the_o pope_n sentence_n have_v be_v in_o vain_a and_o therefore_o the_o emperor_n constantinus_n say_v of_o himself_o si_fw-la quis_fw-la episcoporum_fw-la 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excommunication_n then_o let_v he_o likewise_o remember_v 13._o that_o pope_n julius_n be_v depose_v by_o the_o bishop_n of_o the_o east_n as_o it_o be_v record_v by_o sozomenus_n pope_n hildebrande_n by_o the_o council_n of_o brixia_n 3._o pope_n john_n by_o the_o council_n of_o constance_n pope_n eugenius_n by_o the_o council_n of_o basile_n and_o two_o pope_n together_o syluerius_n and_o uigilius_n by_o the_o emperor_n justinian_n 〈◊〉_d thus_o m._n hardinge_n own_o ground_n overthrow_v his_o whole_a buildinge_n and_o conclude_v plain_o against_o himself_o m._n hardinge_n the_o .25_o division_n for_o the_o pope_n authority_n concern_v confirmation_n of_o the_o ordination_n and_o election_n of_o 110_o world_n all_o bishop_n many_o example_n may_v easy_o be_v allege_v vigilij_fw-la as_o the_o request_n make_v to_o julius_n by_o the_o .90_o ariane_n bishop_n assemble_v in_o council_n at_o antioch_n against_o athanasius_n that_o he_o will_v vouchsafe_v to_o ratify_v and_o confirm_v those_o that_o they_o have_v choose_v in_o place_n of_o athanasius_n paulus_n marcellus_n and_o other_o who_o they_o have_v condemn_v and_o deprive_v also_o the_o earnest_a suit_n which_o theodosius_n the_o emperor_n make_v to_o leo_n for_o confirmation_n of_o anatolius_n and_o likewise_o that_o martianus_n the_o emperor_n make_v to_o he_o for_o confirmation_n of_o proterius_n both_o bishop_n of_o alexandria_n as_o it_o appear_v by_o their_o letter_n write_v to_o leo_n in_o their_o favour_n and_o as_o for_o anatolius_n leo_n will_v not_o in_o any_o wise_a order_n and_o confirm_v he_o onlesse_a he_o will_v first_o profess_v that_o he_o believe_v and_o hold_v the_o doctrine_n which_o be_v contain_v in_o leo_n his_o epistle_n to_o flavianus_n and_o will_v further_o by_o write_n witness_n that_o he_o agree_v with_o cyrillus_n and_o the_o other_o catholic_a father_n against_o nestorius_n for_o this_o if_o nothing_o else_o can_v be_v allege_v the_o testimony_n of_o holy_a gregory_n be_v 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thousand_o year_n pas●e_n bishop_n have_v their_o ordination_n and_o election_n confirm_v by_o the_o see_v apostolic_a the_o b._n of_o sarisburie_n if_o this_o reason_n may_v stand_v for_o good_a and_o who_o so_o ever_o have_v the_o allowinge_v of_o the_o election_n or_o consecration_n of_o bishop_n must_v therefore_o be_v take_v as_o head_n of_o the_o church_n then_o must_v the_o church_n of_o necessity_n have_v many_o head_n for_o it_o be_v certain_a the_o allowance_n hereof_o pertain_v to_o many_o 82._o s._n ambrose_n saithe_v that_o all_o the_o bishop_n both_o of_o the_o east_n and_o of_o the_o west_n give_v their_o consent_n and_o allowance_n to_o his_o election_n theodosius_n the_o emperor_n stand_a in_o the_o defence_n of_o flavianus_n the_o bishop_n of_o constantinople_n say_v 〈◊〉_d that_o all_o the_o bishop_n of_o the_o east_n of_o asia_n pontus_n thracia_n and_o illyricum_n have_v allow_v his_o election_n 〈◊〉_d eudoxius_n enter_v into_o the_o bishopric_n of_o antioch_n without_o the_o allowance_n and_o consent_v of_o georgius_n the_o bishop_n of_o laodicea_n and_o of_o marcus_n the_o bishop_n of_o arethusa_n and_o of_o other_o bishop_n that_o have_v interest_n therein_o and_o be_v reprove_v for_o the_o same_o 〈◊〉_d gregorius_n presbyter_n saithe_v for_o that_o the_o election_n and_o installation_n of_o gregory_n nazianzene_n be_v paste_v before_o the_o bishop_n of_o egipte_n and_o macedonia_n be_v come_v and_o so_o make_v without_o their_o consent_n that_o therefore_o they_o utter_o refuse_v to_o allow_v he_o or_o to_o admit_v he_o as_o bishop_n there_o not_o for_o any_o mislikinge_v in_o the_o party_n but_o for_o that_o they_o think_v themselves_o defraud_v of_o their_o voice_n anacletus_fw-la 2._o decree_v thus_o episcopus_fw-la non_fw-la minus_fw-la quam_fw-la à_fw-la tribus_fw-la episcopis_fw-la reliquisque_fw-la omnibus_fw-la assensum_fw-la praebentibus_fw-la ullatenus_fw-la ordinetur_fw-la let_v a_o bishop_n in_o no_o wise_n be_v order_v of_o 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answer_n the_o story_n be_v true_o know_v be_v sufficient_a to_o answer_n itself_o it_o be_v certain_a as_o we_o have_v before_o declare_v more_o at_o large_a and_o as_o it_o plain_o appear_v by_o the_o act_n of_o the_o council_n of_o aphrica_n that_o zosimus_n the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n to_o the_o intent_n to_o avance_v himself_o over_o all_o other_o bishop_n manifest_o falsify_v the_o nicene_n council_n this_o forgery_n in_o the_o council_n of_o aphrica_n be_v disclose_v &_o lay_v abroad_o to_o the_o eye_n of_o all_o the_o world_n the_o bishop_n there_o be_v in_o number_n two_o hundred_o and_o seventiene_fw-fr see_v that_o one_o apiarius_n a_o priest_n who_o they_o for_o his_o open_a oultrage_n and_o wickedness_n have_v excommunicate_a be_v without_o any_o further_a examininge_n of_o the_o matter_n only_o upon_o his_o bare_a complaint_n admit_v again_o unto_o the_o communion_n and_o receive_v into_o favour_n in_o despite_n of_o all_o their_o doing_n by_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n 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