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A51131
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The case of Ireland's being bound by acts of Parliament in England stated by William Molyneux.
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Molyneux, William, 1656-1698.
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1698
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Wing M2402; ESTC R30063
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nephew_n samuel_n dop_v and_o i_o must_v confess_v it_o have_v a_o venerable_a ancient_a appearance_n but_o whether_o it_o be_v the_o true_a original_a record_n i_o leave_v on_o the_o argument_n produce_v for_o its_o credit_n by_o the_o say_a bishop_n this_o i_o be_o sure_a of_o that_o whether_o ireland_n this_o be_v the_o very_a record_n transmit_v hither_o by_o king_n henry_n the_o second_o or_o not_o yet_o it_o be_v most_o certain_a from_o the_o unanimous_a concession_n of_o all_o the_o forementioned_a antiquary_n cook_n selden_n pryn_n etc._n etc._n that_o we_o have_v have_v parliament_n in_o ireland_n very_o soon_o after_o the_o invasion_n of_o henry_n ii_o for_o pryn_n confess_v that_o 249._o king_n hen._n ii_o after_o his_o conquest_n of_o ireland_n and_o the_o general_n voluntary_a submission_n homage_n and_o fealty_n of_o most_o of_o the_o irish_a king_n prelate_n noble_n city_n and_o people_n to_o he_o as_o to_o their_o sovereign_a lord_n and_o king_n anno_fw-la 1170_o it_o 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consent_n of_o the_o people_n who_o submit_v themselves_o to_o he_o against_o all_o person_n whatsoever_o let_v we_o now_o see_v by_o what_o far_a degree_n the_o government_n of_o ireland_n grow_v up_o conformable_a to_o that_o of_o england_n about_o the_o twenty-third_a year_n of_o henry_n the_o second_o which_o be_v ireland_n within_o five_o year_n after_o his_o return_n from_o ireland_n he_o create_v his_o young_a son_n john_n king_n of_o ireland_n at_o a_o
be_v time_n knight_n of_o the_o shire_n citizen_n and_o burgess_n be_v elect_v in_o the_o shire_n city_n and_o burrough_n of_o ireland_n to_o serve_v in_o parliament_n in_o england_n and_o have_v so_o serve_v according_o for_o among_o the_o record_n of_o the_o tower_n of_o london_n rot._n claus._n 50._o edw._n 3._o parl._n 2._o membr_n 23._o we_o find_v a_o writ_n from_o the_o king_n at_o westminster_n direct_v to_o james_n butler_n lord_n justice_n of_o ireland_n and_o to_o r._n archbishop_n of_o dublin_n his_o chancellor_n require_v they_o to_o issue_v writ_n under_o the_o great_a seal_n of_o ireland_n to_o the_o several_a county_n city_n and_o burrough_n for_o satisfy_v the_o expense_n of_o the_o man_n of_o that_o land_n who_o last_o come_v over_o to_o serve_v in_o parliament_n in_o england_n and_o in_o another_o roll_n the_o 50th_o of_o edw._n iii_o membr_n 19_o on_o complaint_n to_o the_o king_n by_o john_n draper_n who_o be_v choose_v burgess_n of_o cork_n by_o writ_n and_o 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in_o our_o own_o country_n and_o hereupon_o the_o law_n afore-noted_n pag._n 64._o be_v enact_v establish_v that_o no_o law_n make_v in_o the_o parliament_n of_o england_n shall_v be_v of_o force_n in_o ireland_n till_o it_o be_v allow_v and_o publish_a in_o parliament_n here_o i_o have_v say_v before_o pag._n 85._o that_o ireland_n i_o will_v only_o consider_v the_o more_o ancient_a precedent_n that_o be_v offer_v to_o prove_v that_o act_n of_o england_n particular_o name_v ireland_n shall_v bind_v we_o in_o this_o kingdom_n and_o indeed_o it_o be_v sufficient_a to_o stop_v here_o for_o the_o reason_n above_o allege_a however_o i_o shall_v venture_v to_o come_v down_o lower_v and_o to_o inquire_v into_o the_o modern_a precedent_n of_o english_a act_n of_o parliament_n allege_v against_o we_o but_o still_o with_o this_o observation_n that_o it_o be_v these_o we_o complain_v against_o as_o innovation_n and_o therefore_o they_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v bring_v in_o argument_n against_o we_o i_o do_v therefore_o again_o assert_v that_o before_o the_o year_n 1641._o there_o be_v no_o statute_n make_v in_o england_n introductory_n of_o a_o new_a law_n that_o interfere_v with_o the_o right_n which_o the_o people_n of_o ireland_n have_v to_o make_v law_n for_o themselves_o except_o only_o those_o which_o we_o have_v before_o mention_v and_o which_o we_o have_v discuss_v at_o large_a and_o submit_v to_o the_o reader_n ââ¦udgment_n but_o in_o the_o year_n 1641._o and_o afterward_o in_o cromwel_n time_n and_o since_o that_o in_o king_n charles_n ii_o and_o again_o very_o late_o in_o king_n william_n reign_n some_o law_n have_v be_v make_v in_o england_n to_o be_v of_o force_n in_o ireland_n but_o how_o this_o come_v to_o pass_v we_o shall_v now_o inquire_v in_o the_o 17_o year_n of_o k._n charles_n i._n 1641._o which_o be_v in_o the_o year_n 1642._o there_o be_v three_o or_o four_o act_n of_o parliament_n make_v in_o england_n for_o encourage_v adventurer_n to_o raise_v 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