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A10699	A Catholicke conference betvveene Syr Tady Mac. Mareall a popish priest of VVaterforde, and Patricke Plaine a young student in Trinity Colledge by Dublin in Ireland VVherein is deliuered the certayne maner of execution that was vsed vpon a popish bishop, and a popish priest, that for seueral matters of treason were executed at Dublin the first of February, now last past. 16ll. Strange to be related, credible to be beleeued, and pleasant to bee perused. By Barnabe Rych, Gent. seruant to the Kinges most excellent Maiestie.	Rich, Barnabe, 1540?-1617.	1612 (1612)	STC 20981; ESTC S115901	41,203	61

Church of God what meant he by the Church the priests or the people Ta. Perhaps hee ment them both aswell the people as the priestes Pa. Canne you finde in any one text of Scripture where the Church is taken for the priestes without the people Ta. But yet the priestes are onely called Churchmen Pa. Why now you haue answered the matter soundly hereafter when they tell vs that the Church doth consist in the whole congregation of the faithfull we may then answer them that the priestes onely were called churchmen and therefore they must commande Kinges and Princes what they must doe and what religion they must establish Ta. It is very true for who should iudge of religion but the Priest Pa. Why then the priest must iudge of truth but the Prince you say may commande for truth and then we are all this while out of our reckoning for if it bee in the princes power to command for truth they will say that our gratious king commaundeth nothing here in Ireland but what Christ hath already commanded and what is established by the word of God and thus we haue brought our hogges to a faire market Ta. But that princes should haue power to compell mens consciences I say is a thing most vnreasonable Pa. And that euery ignorant and obstinate person shoulde make a conscience of euery popish fantazy is a thing most intollerable Ta. Doe you terme it to bee fantasticall that our progenitors haue professed and that we our selues were baptized in Pa. This is your common inchantment wherewith you bewitch a number of seely soules bearing them beleeue that in bap tisme they haue vowed themselues to your Romish religion but in whose name were you baptized was itin the popes or in Peters or in Paules if in no other then in the nameof Christ alone then are you made the sonnes of God and not the slaues and vassels of Rome and as in baptisme you receiued no mans marke but his so you stand bound to regard no mans voyce but his Ta. Yet I say still that it standes with no reason that a prince may forcibly compell any man against his conscience Pa. But I say still that a Prince may forcibly compell his subiectes from Idolatry and heresie to the sincere seruice of God the scriptures doe furnish vs with sundry presidents tending to that purpose amongst the rest take this one Iosiah was highly commended for making the people of Ierusalem all that were ●ound in Israell to serue the Lorde Ta. Iosiah compelled the people to serue the Lorde according to the truth but doth it therefore follow that euery prince may inforce a religion that is but fitting to his owne will and fancie Pa. It doth therefore followe and by the circumstance of the whole chapter it doth appeare that euery christian Prince throughout his realmes and dominions may roote out heresie Idolatry superstition and hauing againe restablished the true and sincere worship of God may compell and inforce his subiects both to obey and submit themselues vnto it Ta. But the religion which we professe is the true auncient Apostolicke religion first deliuered by Christ himselfe vnto Peter and by Peter himselfe to his successors the Bishops of Rome Pa. Indeede your Pope in his doctrine dooth as rightly succeede Saint Peter at Rome as the Turke doth succeed Saint Iames at Ierusalem and as the Scribes and Pharises did Moses in whose chayre they sate when they crucified the Sonne of God Ta. I hope you make no doubt but that the Pope is Saint Peters successor and that the chayre wheron he now sitteth at Rome was first Saint Peters seate Pa. I vnderstand not what you meane by the Popes chayre by Saint Peters seate whether you meane it by any Throne or Tabernacle or by some other Tribunall or what manner of stoole it should be that you call Saint Peters seate Ta. I beleeue you well for Protestants God knowes are not onely ignorant but they are likewise blind and senfeles in those thinges that doth appertaine to the misteryes of the Catholicke Church but for your better satisfaction and to giue you true weeting of Peters Seate what it is you that are so full of scripture cannot be ignorant where Christ in the 23. of Mathewe tolde his Disciples that the Scribes and Pharises did sit on Moses chayre willed them therefore in respect of their place both to heare and beleeue them being as they were successors vnto Moses then the like of Rome where Peter was sometimes Bishop and where he constantly preached Christ crucified must therefore necessarily be the Seate of Peter and this holy Sea of Rome is it which Peter hath left to his successors and we may as truly say that the Pope doth now sit on Peters Seate as Christ told his Disciples that the Scribes and Pharises did sit on Moses Chayre Pa. There haue beene many papistes that haue taken great paynes to proue that Peter was Bishop of Rome but there was yet neuer any one of them coulde make it so apparant but that wee might deny that by good authority that peter was euer at Rome at all but let it be granted that Peter were at Rome doth it therefore follow that the Sea of Rome must be Peters Seate Peter preached in many places before hee came to Rome if euer hee were there at all as it appeareth in the Actes of the Apostles and by the testimonie of your owne Legende Peter was a long time at Antioche and why should not Antioche or any other place where Peter taught and preached challenge a superioritie as far foorth as Rome Ta. I see I must render you a reason for the matter will it please you now to vnderstand that besides Peters being at Rome Peter likewise dyed at Rome and suffered vnder Nero therfore the place more holy and worthy of authoritie Pa. May it please you now to heare me to render you the like reason our Sauiour Iesus Christ was crucified and dyed at Ierusalem for the sinnes of the worlde and therefore in the worke of our redemption his power is more ●ull and ample at the citie of Ierusalem then it is in any other place where he hadde formerly taught and preached You say Protestants are blinded but if papisteswere not both blind and out of their wits besides they would neuer gather such conclusions whereby to vpholde the pride of their pope that be cause Peter was at Rome therefore the Sea of Rome must be Saint Peters seate but how hangeth this together where Christ in the 23. of Mathew tolde his Disciples that the Scribes and Pharises did sit on Moses Chayre what was ment by Moses chayre in this place it could not be meant by the citie of Ierasalem as the papistes would haue Rome to be the Seate of Peter because as they surmise Peter was at Rome but Moses was neuer at Ierusalem neither in the Synagogue neither in the Temple nor in any part of

that is to say notwithstanding my prayer for thee thou thy selfe shalt denie me and thy successors shall be heretickes Idolaters and ●unnagates from me Ta. Make you what cauels you list in this matter I doe conclude that the rulers of the Church must needes haue the holy Ghost Pa. A happy conclusion for him that weares a mytre and by this we may perceiue how probable it is that the Pope can not erre Ta. The Pope is the head of the Church and Christes Vicar generall heere vpon earth and in matters of faith the Pope can not erre Pa. It is truely to bee proued that not onely the Popes but that wholl Councels haue sometimes erred Ta. That a Councell may erre I will not gaine say but for a Pope to be an hereticke were strange to bee told Pa. No wonder at all if your owne stories be true Honorius dyed an hereticke and was accursed after his death for heresie by a generall Counsell Ta. Well if it were so there is but one and one swallow they say maketh no summer Pa. Why then there was one Pope that was a noted heretick but if I should speake of many other abhominations that haue beene committed by Popes sithens your third Bonifacius obteyned from that Paricide Phocas the title of supremacy were infinite to bee spoken of and that the greatest number of your Popes for these 600. yeares last past haue not entered by Canonicall election but by violence sedition corruption and bribery Let your renowmed Abreuiator Apostolicus Platina beare witnes who complaineth The Popedome sayth he was come to that passe that he that could doe most with ambition or bribery he onely obteyned the papall dignitie Ta. This is but one doctors opinion trifles of no account the malicious reportes of heretickes Pa. Then I perceiue one swallow wil make no summer with you nor one doctors opinion receiued in a matter of truth but will you accept of good company what say you to Sigebertus Marianus Scotus Martinus and your holy Abbot Barnarde that haue all of them inucied against your Pope insomuch that Frier Mantuan rayleth at Rome it selfe giuing this admonishment you that wish to liue godly depart from Rome for all thinges are there suffered saue godlines Ta. The Citty of Rome hath beene renowmed both for learning and religion Pa The Citty of Rome is now infamed for all maner of abhomination Ta. Rome beareth the same name shee did 12. hundred yeares agoe and why should shee not chalenge the same vertues which then shee had Pa. Ierusalem was sometimes the holy citty but nowe shee is become a shameles strumpet and Niniuie was spared for her true repentance but sithens confounded for her disobedience Ta. You are so full of scripture Patricke that there is no dealing with you but if your Colledge doth teach this doctrine I can tell you it will cracke your credite amongst your friendes heere in Ireland but that paltry Schoolehouse will doe much harme heere in Ireland it breedeth vpp heretickes apace but if good counsayle might be accepted I could aduise you of such a course that howsoeuer it would be auayleable for your profit I am sure it would much better your credit Pa. Good counsayle comes neuer out of season to a wise man and as he may bee esteemed for a friend that will aduise it so he is no lesse happy that hath wisedome to follow it Ta. Then to shew my selfe a friend vnfeined and to make you happy if you will not front your owne fortune the matter that I would induce you vnto is to spende some three or foure yeares study in any one of the Popes Seminaries where you shoulde find a more readie and exact method maner of teaching then hitherto you haue beene aquainted with all and that forme of education and training vp as your Colledge at Dubline will neuer be able to afford Pa. You meane amongst the Iesuites Ta. I meane amongst the Iesuites that holy societie who for their great learning and godly conuersation are aboue all others most esteemed and renowmed there you shall not onely perfect your owne knowledge with diuine wisedome and vnderstanding but you shall be further enabled for the good of your country where at your returne you shall be receiued and entertained by the best inhabitants not onely of the English people but throughout the whole realme of Ireland who would not only receiue you into their houses but who soeuer did sit at the table your place should sure be aboue the salt Pa. The sum of all is this you woulde haue mee to leaue my studie heere at the Colledge and for the bettering of mine vnderstanding I should trauaile to Rome or to Remes there to bee instructed amongst the Iesuites Ta. You shall there both inrich your minde with knowledge and aduance your credite with a reuerent estimation Pa. Your Iesuites indeede are so famous for their learning that they can make themselues blinde by seeing too much they can set the holy scriptures at a iarre and they are as curious in searching out the vertue of the wordes as they be carefull to subuert the wordes of the truth what is it which they can not vtterly ouerthrow with their fiery blastes of thundering wordes by their engins of Definitions Distinctions Diuisions Sylogismes Figures Allegories then they haue so many generals and specials with such glosinges and expoundings that they will presume to measure Gods word and his workes with their logicall Sophismes The puritie of religion is inspired from aboue and not to be comprehended by diuiding defining compoūding nor by any other sophisticall manner of contending A miserable and a most vngratious study that doth nothing else but study how to erre Who are they but your Iesuites that haue brought the cause of Christ to a meere brabble of wordes whom neyther the weakenes of their owne cause nor the force of the truth nor the defence thereof so many times approued against them by the Authoritie of holy scriptures can content or disswade them to forsake the way of their contentions but that they are still whetting themselues to trouble the Church of God and to inuey against the truth Ta. You were best to take a little breath Patricke and then you may fall to your rayling againe was there euer a more malicious invectiue breathed out against that holy societi that all the world doth admire aswell for their learning as for their integritie of life Pa. I doe not maruell Sir Tady though the night Owle that hath but a scriking voyce her selfe should sometimes commend the Cuckoe for her sweete and pleasant singing Ta. And the Cuckoe for a plaine song may compare with your Nightingall Pa. So might Pan with Apollo by the iudgement of Midas Ta. I see you are too confident in your owne conceit I wisht you well and I would I coulde haue preuailed with you for your owne good Pa. I am afraid you doe preuaile with too many that by these alurements you