they_o they_o 137._o will_v make_v man_n to_o believe_v that_o they_o have_v for_o the_o time_n and_o within_o their_o limit_n a_o absolute_a authority_n as_o if_o themselves_o be_v prince_n in_o like_o sort_n this_o doctor_n recite_v martin_n seinâ—r_n make_v mention_n of_o a_o hundred_o supra_fw-la thousand_o hand_n and_o what_o a_o stroke_n so_o many_o will_v strike_v together_o and_o that_o martin_n affirm_v their_o suit_n shall_v not_o be_v reject_v especial_o in_o such_o a_o time_n whearein_o we_o now_o live_v in_o danger_n of_o our_o enemy_n abroad_o and_o therefore_o have_v need_n of_o no_o cause_n of_o discoradgment_n at_o home_n thus_o d._n bancroft_n cite_v the_o word_n of_o martin_n marprelet_n and_o then_o he_o give_v his_o sentence_n &_o judgement_n of_o this_o their_o menage_n and_o term_v it_o thus_o a_o speech_n at_o least_o sedition_n this_o doctor_n also_o further_o discour_v the_o threat_n of_o the_o puritan_n against_o the_o magistrate_n and_o he_o allege_v one_o of_o their_o commination_n thus_o in_o their_o own_o word_n we_o have_v 140._o seek_v to_o advance_v this_o cause_n of_o god_n by_o humble_a suit_n to_o the_o parliament_n by_o write_v &c._n &c._n see_v none_o of_o these_o mean_n use_v by_o we_o have_v prevayl_v if_o it_o come_v by_o that_o mean_n which_o will_v make_v all_o your_o heart_n to_o ache_v blame_v yourself_n final_o not_o to_o stay_v long_o hearein_o d._n succlif_n thus_o speak_v of_o martin_n marprelate_n martin_n wish_v that_o the_o parliament_n 76._o will_v bring_v in_o the_o eldership_n notwithstanding_o her_o majesties_n resist_v of_o it_o uz_o by_o a_o rebellion_n they_o brag_v of_o a_o hundred_o thousand_o hand_n and_o in_o plain_a â—â—armes_n talk_v of_o massacre_a their_o adversary_n thus_o d._n succlif_n with_o who_o i_o will_v hear_v end_n vicechancelour_a though_o i_o can_v deny_v michaeas_n the_o former_a attempt_n of_o the_o protestant_n yet_o since_o not_o only_o the_o papist_n doctrine_n but_o also_o the_o mainfold_n traitorous_a desigment_n and_o real_a practice_n of_o they_o against_o their_o protestant_a prince_n be_v no_o less_o tragical_a than_o the_o former_a relate_v by_o you_o be_v i_o do_v not_o see_v but_o that_o grant_v the_o protestant_n to_o be_v faulty_a in_o defect_n of_o loyalty_n you_o papist_n may_v in_o a_o far_o more_o high_a degree_n be_v just_o insimulate_v within_o the_o say_a crime_n good_a god_n your_o treason_n and_o machination_n have_v be_v so_o apparent_a and_o so_o approve_v by_o the_o consent_n almost_o of_o all_o other_o papist_n as_o that_o i_o may_v true_o pronounce_v that_o in_o the_o whole_a throng_n of_o papist_n a_o true_a and_o loyal_a papist_n towards_o his_o protestant_a sovereign_n so_o rare_a such_o a_o one_o be_v be_v like_o a_o diamond_n place_v among_o many_o white_a sapphire_n so_o just_a reason_n have_v the_o learned_a d._n morton_n to_o say_v of_o your_o profession_n we_o may_v 51._o now_o expect_v as_o well_o a_o white_a ethiopian_a as_o a_o loyal_a subject_n of_o this_o religion_n michaeas_n alas_o m._n vicechancelour_n these_o be_v but_o verbal_a exageration_n without_o prouffe_n which_o as_o they_o be_v but_o wound_n of_o spâ—enfull_a tongue_n so_o be_v they_o blow_v away_o with_o the_o wind_n be_v it_o that_o some_o catholic_a doctor_n in_o certain_a peculiar_a case_n do_v ascrybe_n a_o powerful_a authority_n to_o the_o pope_n against_o prince_n and_o grant_v also_o that_o some_o few_o catholic_n have_v prove_v to_o be_v to_o the_o ineffable_a grief_n and_o dislike_v of_o all_o other_o good_a and_o sober_a catholic_n disloyal_a to_o their_o prince_n yet_o since_o the_o difference_n both_o of_o their_o doctrine_n and_o circumstance_n of_o their_o attempt_n be_v incomparable_o short_a and_o inferior_a to_o the_o doctryne_n and_o real_a insurrection_n of_o the_o protestant_n against_o their_o sovereign_n you_o have_v no_o reason_n m._n vice_n chancellor_n thus_o to_o insult_v in_o gallantry_n of_o such_o amplify_a speech_n against_o us._n therefore_o i_o will_v parallel_v they_o hear_v together_o that_o so_o you_o see_v the_o great_a disparty_n may_v â—ecall_v for_o shame_n those_o your_o speech_n and_o suffer_v your_o cheek_n to_o witness_v your_o former_a error_n and_o first_o touch_v the_o doctrine_n the_o protestant_n i_o mean_v those_o former_a allege_a protestant_n do_v extend_v this_o power_n of_o depose_v prince_n to_o every_o poor_a parochial_a superintendent_n who_o be_v pope_n or_o so_o will_v be_v within_o his_o own_o circuit_n yea_o for_o want_n of_o such_o a_o turbulent_a fellow_n if_o at_o any_o time_n there_o can_v be_v a_o want_n of_o these_o they_o give_v this_o liberty_n as_o above_o i_o have_v show_v to_o the_o base_a common_a people_n and_o promiscuous_a multitude_n the_o many_o head_a tyrant_n of_o all_o humane_a societye_n the_o catholic_a devyne_n who_o most_o defend_v such_o transcendency_n of_o proceed_n do_v nevertheless_o ascrybe_n the_o do_v of_o it_o to_o the_o pope_n only_o who_o be_v a_o stranger_n and_o therefore_o further_o of_o from_o any_o such_o sudden_a &_o present_a attempt_n and_o who_o himself_o in_o case_n of_o heresy_n as_o a_o private_a person_n lie_v open_a to_o the_o same_o peril_n this_o also_o they_o teach_v must_v be_v do_v by_o many_o former_a sweet_a admonition_n and_o proceed_n to_o proceed_v to_o the_o attempt_n on_o both_o side_n the_o protestant_n have_v actual_o depose_v several_a king_n queen_n and_o absolute_a sovereigns_n thus_o be_v the_o king_n of_o spain_n depose_v of_o a_o great_a part_n of_o the_o lowcontryes_n the_o king_n of_o france_n of_o certain_a city_n in_o france_n the_o supreme_a lord_n of_o geneva_n of_o his_o territory_n belong_v to_o that_o city_n the_o emperor_n of_o many_o imperial_a city_n in_o germany_n king_n sigismond_n of_o his_o kingdom_n of_o sweveland_n and_o final_o his_o majesty_n grandmother_n and_o greatgrandmother_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o scotland_n the_o pope_n and_o the_o catholic_n have_v never_o yet_o to_o this_o day_n actual_o detron_v any_o one_o absolute_a protestant_a prince_n or_o king_n throughout_o all_o christendom_n of_o their_o sate_z and_o territorye_n the_o great_a matter_n of_o this_o nature_n that_o can_v be_v allege_v be_v the_o excommunication_n of_o king_n henry_n the_o eight_o of_o england_n queen_n elizabeth_n his_o daughter_n and_o king_n henry_n of_o france_n the_o four_o the_o protestant_n have_v come_v into_o the_o fyeld_v against_o their_o catholic_a prince_n in_o many_o huge_a army_n and_o hundred_o thousans_a of_o man_n as_o appear_v by_o the_o war_n make_v by_o they_o in_o the_o low_a country_n france_n &_o germany_n which_o war_n have_v continue_v for_o many_o year_n the_o catholic_n never_o yet_o levy_v any_o such_o army_n against_o their_o protestant_n prince_n last_o the_o protestant_n have_v not_o only_o depose_v their_o prince_n of_o several_a state_n and_o country_n but_o they_o have_v real_o impatronize_v themselves_o of_o the_o say_a state_n and_o keep_v they_o in_o their_o own_o possession_n as_o be_v over_o manifest_o evident_a by_o the_o example_n of_o rochel_n in_o france_n geneva_n holland_n zealand_n several_a part_n of_o germany_n sweveland_n transiluania_n etc._n etc._n the_o catholic_n to_o this_o very_a day_n have_v not_o make_v themselves_o lord_n of_o any_o one_o town_n or_o city_n much_o less_o of_o any_o state_n or_o kingdom_n which_o have_v belong_v to_o their_o protestant_n prince_n and_o thus_o far_o touch_v the_o libration_n and_o weigh_v in_o a_o even_a hand_n the_o doctrine_n and_o attempt_n teach_v and_o make_v by_o protestant_n &_o catholic_n in_o point_n of_o disloyalty_n against_o their_o lawful_a dread_a sovereigns_n of_o a_o different_a religion_n and_o now_o m._n vicechancelour_n after_o the_o true_a unfould_n of_o these_o matter_n which_o afore_o be_v lap_v up_o in_o a_o great_a mistake_n i_o demand_v of_o you_o where_o be_v your_o former_a termini_fw-la conuertibilis_fw-la of_o papistry_n &_o disloyalty_n your_o similitude_n of_o one_o diamond_n among_o many_o worthless_a sapphire_n and_o d._n mortons_n strange_a beast_n as_o if_o all_o papist_n and_o â—o_o protestant_n be_v guilty_a of_o treason_n and_o rebellion_n against_o their_o lawful_a prince_n so_o foul_o you_o see_v yourself_o be_v mistake_v therein_o and_o so_o wild_o do_v your_o doctourâ—ave_n â—aue_z of_o a_o white_a ethiopian_a l._n cheife-iustice_a michaeas_n i_o be_o tire_v with_o learning_n thus_o much_o of_o this_o distasteful_a theme_n and_o i_o be_o unwilling_a you_o shall_v spin_v out_o this_o discourse_n to_o any_o further_a length_n therefore_o you_o may_v here_o end_v and_o true_o i_o will_v scarce_o have_v believe_v till_o now_o my_o own_o eye_n much_o less_o my_o ear_n that_o the_o protestant_n write_n and_o action_n have_v stand_v so_o just_o subject_a to_o this_o kind_n of_o reprehension_n but_o i_o must_v yield_v though_o with_o grief_n to_o such_o evident_a testimony_n as_o you_o have_v produce_v
the_o convert_v jew_n or_o certain_a dialogve_n between_o micheas_n a_o learned_a jew._n and_o other_o touch_v diverse_a point_n of_o religion_n controvert_v between_o the_o catholic_n and_o protestant_n write_a by_o m._n john_n clare_n a_o catholic_a priest_n of_o the_o society_n of_o jesus_n dedicate_v to_o the_o two_o university_n of_o oxâ—â—rd_n and_o cambridge_n the_o leaf_n follow_v show_v the_o interlocutour_n 〈…〉_z judaeis_n now_o a_o lux_fw-la â—riri_fw-la visa_fw-la est_fw-la hesther_n 8._o permissv_v superiorum_n anno._n m._n dc_o xxx_o the_o interlocutour_n of_o every_o dialogue_n 1._o in_o the_o first_o dialogue_n be_v dispute_v whether_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v make_v any_o change_n in_o faith_n and_o religion_n since_o the_o first_o plantation_n of_o it_o by_o the_o apostle_n it_o be_v prove_v that_o it_o have_v not_o the_o interlocutour_n be_v cardinal_n bellarmyne_n of_o worthy_a memory_n michaeas_n a_o learned_a jewish_a rabine_n doctor_n whitaker_n of_o cambridge_n ad_fw-la romanos_fw-la perfidia_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la habere_fw-la accessum_fw-la cyprian_a lib._n 1._o epist_n 3._o 2._o in_o the_o second_o dialogue_n entitle_v the_o second_o part_n of_o the_o convert_v jew_n be_v discuss_v whether_o in_o every_o age_n since_o the_o apostle_n or_o rather_o whether_o but_o in_o any_o one_o age_n sinâ—e_o that_o time_n till_o luther_n day_n there_o can_v be_v give_v any_o instance_n of_o professor_n of_o protestancy_n it_o be_v prove_v that_o no_o such_o instance_n can_v be_v give_v the_o interlocutour_n michaeas_n the_o aforesaid_a jew._n ochinus_n who_o first_o plant_v protestancy_n in_o england_n in_o king_n edward_n the_o six_o his_o reign_n doctor_n reynolds_n of_o oxford_n neuserus_fw-la chief_a pastor_n of_o heidelberg_n in_o the_o palatinat_a si_fw-mi dixerint_fw-la vobis_fw-la ecce_fw-la in_o deserto_fw-la est_fw-la nolite_fw-la exire_fw-la ecce_fw-la in_o penetratibus_fw-la nolite_fw-la credere_fw-la math._n 24._o 3._o in_o the_o three_o and_o last_o dialogue_n style_v the_o arraingnment_n of_o the_o convert_v jew._n it_o be_v discourse_v whether_o the_o protestant_n of_o the_o catholics_n do_v stand_v more_o chargeable_a with_o disloyalty_n to_o their_o lawful_a prince_n it_o be_v prove_v that_o the_o protestant_n stand_v more_o chargeable_a in_o this_o last_o dialogue_n be_v diverse_a other_o point_n of_o catholic_a religion_n brief_o handle_v the_o interlocutour_n the_o right_a honourable_a the_o lord_n chief_a justice_n of_o england_n michaeas_n the_o former_a jew._n m._n vicechancelour_n of_o oxford_n vidi_n mulierem_fw-la ebriam_fw-la de_fw-la sanguine_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la apocalyp_n 17._o the_o argument_n of_o the_o first_o dialogue_n michaeas_n a_o learned_a jewish_a rabine_n by_o his_o diligent_a compare_v of_o the_o prophecy_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n touch_v jesus_n christ_n with_o the_o exact_a accomplishment_n of_o they_o record_v in_o the_o new_a testament_n forsake_v his_o former_a judaism_n and_o embrace_v the_o christian_a religion_n but_o in_o observe_v diverse_a difference_n touch_v faith_n among_o christian_n and_o particular_o among_o the_o catholics_n and_o protestant_n know_v not_o to_o whether_o side_n to_o range_v himself_o at_o this_o time_n it_o so_o fale_v out_o that_o there_o be_v a_o general_a meeting_n of_o many_o famous_a learned_a man_n of_o all_o religion_n in_o the_o great_a city_n of_o cosmopolis_n in_o utopia_n among_o who_o cardinal_n bellarmyne_n and_o doctor_n whitaker_n be_v thither_o come_v michaeas_n hasten_v thither_o and_o impart_v to_o the_o say_a cardinal_n and_o doctor_n his_o present_a state_n &_o open_v to_o they_o his_o uncertainty_n whether_o to_o embrace_v the_o catholic_a faith_n or_o protestancy_n the_o cardinal_n and_o the_o doctor_n according_a to_o the_o different_a principle_n of_o each_o other_o religion_n propound_v to_o he_o different_a mean_n of_o settle_v his_o judgement_n in_o point_n of_o faith_n michaeas_n for_o some_o peculiar_a reason_n forbear_v both_o their_o direction_n he_o reduce_v the_o trial_n of_o all_o to_o this_o one_o head_n to_o wit_n that_o whereas_o he_o find_v in_o the_o new_a 28._o testament_n that_o the_o true_a faith_n be_v once_o plant_v by_o the_o apostle_n in_o rome_n he_o say_v that_o if_o it_o can_v be_v prove_v that_o this_o faith_n ever_o alter_v since_o the_o apostle_n time_n he_o will_v become_v a_o protestant_n if_o not_o he_o mean_v to_o be_v a_o roman_a catholic_a hereupon_o he_o earnest_o entreat_v the_o cardinal_n and_o the_o doctor_n that_o they_o will_v enter_v into_o dispute_n touch_v the_o change_n of_o faith_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n they_o both_o accord_n to_o his_o request_n and_o instant_o begin_v a_o serious_a &_o grave_a discourse_n touch_v this_o subject_n cardinal_n bellarmyne_n so_o press_v doctor_n whitaker_n with_o weight_n of_o argument_n &_o by_o discover_v the_o weakness_n of_o the_o doctor_n answer_n and_o objection_n as_o that_o in_o the_o end_n the_o doctor_n enter_v into_o great_a intemperance_n of_o word_n against_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n abrupt_o break_v off_o his_o discourse_n and_o sudden_o depart_v michaeas_n as_o convince_v with_o the_o force_n of_o the_o cardinal_n disputation_n be_v resolve_v to_o become_v a_o roman_a catholic_a and_o so_o according_o receive_v in_o the_o end_n in_o the_o cathedral_n church_n of_o cosmopolis_n his_o baptism_n by_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o cardinal_n by_o who_o also_o in_o some_o short_a time_n after_o he_o be_v make_v priest_n thus_o far_o concern_v the_o fiction_n of_o this_o first_o dialogue_n to_o the_o two_o most_o fair_a sister_n the_o two_o most_o illustrious_a university_n of_o oxford_n and_o cambridg_n most_o remarkable_a and_o learned_a academian_o in_o who_o due_a praise_n i_o can_v willing_o here_o insist_v be_v it_o not_o that_o i_o loathe_v all_o show_n of_o oily_a assentation_n you_o may_v be_v here_o advertise_v touch_v the_o ensue_a treatise_n that_o i_o have_v make_v choice_n to_o set_v they_o down_o rather_o in_o method_n of_o dialogue_n then_o in_o any_o other_o form_n of_o style_n because_o in_o this_o any_o delicate_a &_o fastidious_a age_n which_o be_v quick_o cloy_v with_o any_o thing_n not_o accompany_v with_o variety_n it_o be_v observe_v that_o interlocutory_a period_n and_o vicissitude_n or_o alternation_n of_o turn_n in_o speech_n be_v more_o grateful_a and_o please_a than_o any_o long_a wearisome_a continue_a and_o uninterrupt_a discourse_n though_o the_o subject_n of_o these_o treatise_n be_v several_a main_n point_n and_o controversy_n in_o faith_n and_o consequent_o point_n of_o religion_n and_o divinity_n yet_o i_o presume_v none_o of_o you_o be_v either_o so_o froward_a or_o so_o ignorant_a as_o to_o deprave_v and_o calumniate_v the_o method_n here_o use_v by_o say_v that_o we_o be_v not_o to_o invulgar_a the_o mysterye_n of_o sacred_a dinivity_n by_o way_n of_o poetical_a fiction_n of_o dialogue_n in_o forge_v that_o to_o be_v which_o indeed_o be_v not_o which_o aspersion_n of_o any_o such_o critic_n be_v easy_o wipe_v away_o by_o the_o warrantable_a example_n in_o this_o kind_n of_o s._n jerome_n theodoret_n s._n gregory_n the_o great_a and_o other_o who_o be_v not_o afraid_a to_o treat_v of_o the_o high_a matter_n of_o faith_n in_o form_n of_o dialogue_n again_o such_o a_o inconsiderate_a assertion_n must_v needs_o condemn_v poetry_n in_o general_n see_v dialogue_n be_v a_o kind_n of_o poetry_n which_o how_o great_a a_o error_n it_o be_v may_v easy_o appear_v in_o that_o poëtry_n be_v mask_v philosophy_n philosophy_n nature_n true_a history_n nature_n god_n serviceable_a agent_n or_o handmaid_n beside_o i_o be_o of_o judgement_n that_o the_o body_n of_o any_o long_a discourse_n like_o a_o unform_v chäos_n be_v best_a bring_v into_o a_o orb_n of_o form_n and_o order_n by_o help_n of_o interlocution_n and_o last_o admit_v this_o kind_n of_o write_v be_v strange_a and_o unusual_a and_o chief_o sort_v to_o subject_n of_o lesser_a importance_n as_o indeed_o it_o be_v not_o yet_o here_o we_o must_v remember_v that_o a_o fantastic_a often_o begin_v a_o fashion_n which_o grave_a man_n not_o to_o be_v think_v phantastic_o be_v in_o the_o end_n content_a to_o follow_v now_o to_o approach_v near_o the_o several_a subject_n handle_v in_o all_o these_o dialogue_n in_o the_o first_o be_v dispute_v a_o controversy_n much_o agitate_a and_o toss_v between_o the_o catholics_n and_o the_o protestant_n to_o wit_n touch_v the_o change_n of_o faith_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n the_o interlocutour_n be_v cardinal_n bellarmyne_n that_o heresimastix_n michaeas_n a_o learned_a jewish_a rabin_n and_o doctor_n whitaker_n of_o cambridg_n the_o place_n of_o this_o conference_n i_o have_v make_v to_o be_v the_o great_a city_n cosmopolis_n in_o utopia_n since_o a_o imaginary_a place_n best_o sort_v to_o a_o imaginary_a disputation_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o person_n feign_v the_o cardinal_n justify_v the_o catholics_n position_n videlicet_fw-la that_o no_o change_n in_o faith_n and_o religion_n have_v be_v make_v in_o
only_o through_o the_o proper_a form_n of_o the_o loadstone_n and_o whether_o the_o turn_n of_o the_o iron_n point_v to_o the_o north_n be_v touch_v with_o the_o loadstone_n be_v to_o be_v refer_v to_o some_o huge_a suppose_a mountain_n of_o loadstone_n in_o the_o uttermost_a northpart_n or_o to_o any_o one_o place_n of_o the_o heaven_n near_o to_o the_o northpole_n or_o to_o the_o intrinse_a call_v form_n of_o the_o loadstone_n itself_o whether_o algebra_n be_v a_o distinct_a art_n from_o arythmetyke_n or_o but_o the_o same_o advance_v to_o it_o height_n and_o perfection_n whether_o in_o the_o miracle_n of_o christ_n and_o s._n peter_n exhibit_v in_o cure_v of_o corporal_a disease_n and_o the_o like_a may_v be_v demand_v of_o all_o true_a miracle_n of_o this_o nature_n god_n do_v for_o the_o time_n infuse_v a_o physical_a quality_n for_o example_n in_o the_o skirt_n of_o our_o saviour_n garment_n &_o in_o the_o shadow_n of_o s._n peter_n which_o per_fw-la potentiam_fw-la obedientialem_fw-la as_o the_o schoolman_n speak_v do_v work_v upon_o the_o disease_n and_o so_o cure_v they_o or_o else_o god_n himself_o do_v immediate_o work_v these_o supernatural_a effect_n ad_fw-la praesentiam_fw-la illorum_fw-la at_o the_o presence_n of_o the_o skirt_n and_o shadow_n which_o in_o their_o absence_n otherwise_o he_o will_v not_o work_v and_o final_o to_o omit_v diverse_a other_o such_o nice_a and_o abstruse_a speculation_n and_o but_o to_o touch_v a_o little_a upon_o divinity_n whether_o communicatio_fw-la idiomatum_fw-la flow_v from_o the_o hypostatical_a union_n in_o christ_n be_v real_a in_o respect_n of_o the_o different_a nature_n in_o christ_n or_o with_o reference_n only_o to_o the_o hypostasis_fw-la of_o both_o the_o nature_n in_o these_o i_o say_v and_o many_o such_o like_a curiosity_n for_o so_o i_o may_v term_v they_o this_o last_o only_o except_v diverse_a of_o you_o have_v no_o doubt_n spend_v and_o perhaps_o with_o great_a commondation_n many_o hour_n by_o peruse_v with_o your_o own_o eye_n several_a author_n &_o by_o discuss_v the_o argument_n bring_v on_o all_o side_n to_o fortify_v their_o different_a opinion_n and_o yet_o it_o matter_v little_a on_o which_o side_n the_o truth_n lie_v in_o most_o of_o these_o speculation_n but_o wheresoever_o it_o be_v find_v in_o they_o we_o may_v equal_o and_o indifferent_o break_v forth_o with_o the_o three_o child_n in_o praise_v of_o god_n for_o his_o omnipotency_n and_o wisdom_n discover_v in_o they_o say_v 3._o benedicite_fw-la omnia_fw-la opera_fw-la domini_fw-la domino_fw-la if_o then_o you_o have_v be_v so_o industrious_a and_o breathless_a herein_o and_o so_o absorb_v in_o the_o delight_n of_o these_o less_o necessary_a study_n o_o with_o what_o a_o spiritual_a leithargy_n be_v such_o of_o you_o possess_v who_o in_o matter_n of_o religion_n the_o truth_n or_o falsehood_n whereof_o concern_v your_o soul_n interminable_a and_o endless_a happiness_n or_o misery_n shall_v run_v on_o headlong_o till_o you_o come_v to_o your_o grave_n in_o a_o unexamined_a and_o yet_o resolve_a opinion_n against_o the_o catholic_a faith_n with_o a_o supine_n resignation_n of_o your_o judgment_n in_o all_o point_n of_o religion_n without_o further_a trial_n to_o the_o write_n for_o example_n of_o calvin_n and_o beza_n who_o pestiferous_a script_n many_o make_v their_o catechism_n man_n charge_v even_o by_o their_o own_o 21._o brethren_n with_o the_o execrable_a crime_n of_o sodomy_n and_o remember_v you_o not_o that_o we_o 7._o gather_v not_o grape_n of_o thorn_n nor_o fig_n of_o thisle_n but_o herewith_o most_o excellent_a academian_o i_o will_v end_v and_o crave_v pardon_n for_o this_o my_o fullness_n of_o speech_n entreat_v you_o to_o call_v to_o mind_n those_o word_n meliora_fw-la 27._o sunt_fw-la vulnera_fw-la diligentis_fw-la quam_fw-la fraudulenta_fw-la oscula_fw-la odientis_fw-la and_o thus_o remit_v you_o to_o the_o perusal_n of_o these_o follow_a dialogue_n i_o will_v with_o my_o incessant_a prayer_n solicit_v the_o high_a who_o be_v 1._o pater_fw-la luminum_fw-la and_o from_o who_o omne_fw-la datum_fw-la optimum_fw-la &_o omne_fw-la bonum_fw-la perfectum_fw-la descendit_fw-la so_o to_o enlighten_v your_o judgement_n in_o your_o study_n and_o course_n that_o after_o this_o life_n you_o may_v be_v as_o true_o beatify_v with_o the_o intuitive_a knowledge_n of_o all_o thing_n in_o the_o most_o happy_a vision_n of_o god_n as_o now_o here_o upon_o earth_n you_o labour_v to_o enrich_v your_o mind_n mith_o all_o commendable_a discursive_a knowledge_n you_o in_o christ_n jesus_n i._o c._n the_o convert_v jew._n or_o a_o dialogue_n wherein_o be_v prove_v that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v make_v no_o change_n in_o faith_n and_o religion_n since_o the_o first_o plantation_n of_o it_o by_o the_o apostle_n interlocutour_n micheas_n a_o jewish_a rabbin_z cardinal_n bellarmine_n doctour_n whitaker_n micheas_n most_o illustrious_a cardinal_n and_o most_o reverend_a and_o learned_a doctor_n such_o be_v the_o spread_a fame_n of_o both_o your_o perfection_n in_o the_o sacred_a knowledge_n of_o devinity_n as_o that_o the_o report_n thereof_o have_v i_o confess_v even_o give_v wing_n to_o my_o old_a age_n to_o hasten_v my_o fleight_n to_o this_o noble_a city_n of_o cosmopolis_n in_o utopia_n which_o as_o be_v honour_v through_o both_o your_o presence_n be_v for_o the_o time_n become_v the_o rendezvous_n of_o all_o good_a literature_n touch_v myself_o know_v you_o both_o that_o i_o be_o by_o birth_n and_o till_o this_o present_a also_o in_o religion_n a_o jew_n by_o name_n micheas_n who_o ever_o have_v honour_v the_o lord_n 83._o of_o host_n the_o god_n 3._o of_o abraham_n the_o god_n of_o isaac_n the_o god_n of_o jacob_n and_o the_o lord_n god_n of_o the_o hebrew_n believe_v with_o your_o apostle_n paul_n god_n grant_v with_o the_o like_a happy_a success_n to_o he_o in_o change_n of_o my_o religion_n who_o by_o his_o rise_a fall_n as_o i_o may_v term_v it_o be_v no_o soon_o strike_v down_o to_o the_o ground_n than_o he_o begin_v to_o ascend_v towards_o heaven_n all_o 24._o thing_n that_o be_v write_v in_o the_o law_n and_o the_o prophet_n and_o 22._o instruct_v according_a to_o the_o verity_n of_o the_o law_n of_o the_o father_n of_o late_o i_o have_v diligent_o peruse_v the_o write_n of_o your_o evangelist_n the_o four_o historigrapher_n of_o that_o holy_a man_n who_o you_o christian_n call_v jesus_n i_o also_o have_v exact_o red_a the_o act_n of_o your_o apostle_n these_o faithful_a servant_n of_o the_o say_v jesus_n who_o first_o sow_v the_o seed_n of_o their_o master_n heavenly_a doctrine_n and_o after_o do_v water_n they_o with_o their_o own_o blood_n to_o be_v short_a i_o have_v be_v much_o conversant_a in_o these_o letter_n missive_n if_o so_o they_o may_v be_v call_v i_o mean_v in_o the_o epistle_n of_o the_o say_a apostle_n write_v to_o diverse_a nation_n for_o their_o better_a instruction_n in_o the_o christian_a faith_n as_o also_o in_o that_o most_o abstruse_a work_n of_o your_o saviour_n best-beloved_n common_o call_v the_o apocalyps_n i_o have_v make_v most_o particular_a reference_n of_o all_o those_o write_n to_o the_o prophecy_n record_v in_o our_o own_o law_n and_o i_o do_v free_o confess_v and_o indeed_o with_o a_o ineffable_a grief_n that_o that_o holy_a one_o who_o my_o forefather_n and_o in_o they_o myself_o do_v put_v to_o the_o most_o opprobrious_a death_n of_o the_o cross_n be_v and_o be_v the_o son_n of_o the_o high_a and_o the_o true_a saviour_n of_o the_o world_n and_o therefore_o i_o think_v it_o the_o less_o wonder_n that_o the_o stony_a heart_n of_o we_o jew_o best_o discover_v by_o such_o our_o cruel_a proceed_n be_v figure_v by_o the_o table_n of_o stone_n wherein_o the_o law_n be_v first_o give_v to_o us._n yea_o i_o be_o so_o inalterable_o persuade_v herein_o that_o i_o do_v avouch_v that_o all_o the_o chief_a particularity_n concern_v he_o be_v most_o punctual_o prophesy_v by_o the_o ancient_a father_n of_o the_o jewish_a law_n thus_o for_o example_n be_v his_o precursor_n foretell_v in_o isaiah_n cap._n 40._o that_o he_o shall_v be_v bear_v of_o a_o virgin_n isaiah_n 7._o the_o place_n of_o his_o birth_n micheas_n 5._o the_o death_n of_o the_o cheldren_n at_o his_o birth_n jerom._n 31._o his_o preach_n isaiah_n 61._o his_o four_o eunngelist_n ezechiel_n 1._o the_o choose_n of_o his_o apostle_n psalm_n 8._o his_o ride_v upon_o a_o ass_n into_o jerusalem_n isaiah_n 62._o and_o zachary_n 9_o the_o betray_n of_o he_o by_o he_o who_o dip_v his_o hand_n in_o the_o dish_n psalm_n 41._o the_o jew_n spittiug_v in_o his_o face_n and_o buffet_n of_o he_o isaiah_n 50._o the_o jew_n mock_v of_o he_o psalm_n 22._o the_o divide_v of_o his_o garment_n psalm_n 22._o their_o give_v to_o he_o gall_n and_o vinegar_n to_o drink_v psalm_n 69._o the_o manner_n of_o his_o death_n by_o pierce_v his_o hand_n and_o foot_n psalm_n 22._o
the_o question_n touch_v the_o infallibility_n of_o god_n chureh_n â—s_v also_o in_o that_o other_o question_n that_o the_o scripture_n without_o the_o church_n attestation_n can_v prove_v itself_o to_o be_v scripture_n and_o that_o all_o point_n of_o belief_n do_v not_o receive_v their_o proof_n from_o scripture_n alone_o see_v that_o these_o two_o potential_o include_v in_o themselves_o most_o of_o all_o other_o controversy_n also_o be_v most_o ready_a in_o the_o question_n touch_v the_o continual_a visibility_n of_o the_o protestant_n church_n see_v the_o protestant_n must_v grant_v their_o church_n to_o have_v be_v ever_o visible_a if_o they_o will_v aver_v it_o to_o be_v the_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n &_o micheas_n if_o ever_o you_o dispute_v with_o any_o protestant_n i_o can_v wish_v if_o so_o the_o liberty_n of_o choice_o on_o your_o part_n &_o that_o you_o aforehand_o well_o furnish_v &_o arm_v yourself_o to_o that_o end_n that_o you_o will_v make_v election_n to_o dispute_v of_o this_o point_n for_o if_o you_o be_v well_o experience_v therein_o you_o shall_v mighty_o confound_v your_o adversary_n he_o not_o be_v able_a even_o by_o his_o own_o brethren_n confession_n to_o instance_n for_o many_o century_n and_o age_n together_o so_o much_o as_o the_o be_v of_o one_o protestant_n thus_o far_o micheas_n of_o such_o observation_n brief_o and_o plain_o deliver_v without_o apply_v most_o of_o they_o to_o any_o particular_a subject_n wherewith_o it_o be_v convenient_a you_o shall_v be_v instruct_v before_o you_o enter_v into_o any_o conflict_n with_o any_o protestant_n diverse_a other_o may_v be_v adjoin_v to_o these_o but_o that_o i_o be_o afraid_a i_o shall_v tire_v you_o with_o a_o wearisome_a repetition_n of_o they_o and_o your_o own_o experience_n hereafter_o will_v best_o direct_v you_o in_o such_o animadversion_n micheas_n my_o lord_n cardinal_n i_o do_v much_o prize_n these_o your_o instruction_n most_o of_o they_o serve_v as_o so_o many_o loopehole_n through_o which_o we_o may_v espy_v the_o subtle_a approach_n of_o the_o enemy_n or_o rather_o as_o so_o many_o counter-murs_a to_o withstand_v his_o secret_a molition_n aâ—neaâ—_n and_o attempt_n ay_o dolus_fw-la a_fw-fr virtus_fw-la quis_fw-la in_o host_n requirat_fw-la and_o though_o these_o your_o premonition_n or_o rather_o premunition_n since_o by_o they_o i_o may_v be_v fore-armed_n against_o the_o assault_n of_o the_o adversary_n be_v now_o but_o general_o set_v down_o without_o any_o particular_a application_n as_o your_o lordship_n say_v yet_o hereafter_o i_o will_v incorporate_v they_o in_o such_o point_n or_o passage_n of_o dispute_n as_o just_a opportunity_n and_o occasion_n may_v present_v and_o here_o according_a to_o your_o lordship_n desire_n i_o will_v labour_v in_o those_o controversy_n consist_v chief_o in_o practice_n by_o you_o specify_v and_o i_o will_v also_o most_o painful_o and_o elaborate_o furnish_v myself_o with_o read_v touch_v the_o question_n of_o the_o visibility_n of_o the_o protestant_n church_n the_o which_o question_n i_o do_v promise_v your_o lordship_n according_a as_o you_o wish_v i_o shall_v be_v the_o subject_n of_o my_o next_o discourse_n whensoever_o my_o fortune_n shall_v be_v to_o contest_v with_o any_o learned_a protestant_n for_o this_o point_n be_v well_o and_o thorough_o prosecute_v i_o hold_v it_o most_o choke_a and_o mortal_a to_o the_o adversary_n as_o your_o lordship_n above_o do_v affirm_v but_o now_o my_o lord_n the_o time_n be_v far_o spend_v and_o i_o fear_v i_o have_v detain_v you_o over_o long_o in_o these_o your_o learned_a discourse_n and_o now_o i_o confess_v i_o think_v it_o long_o till_o i_o have_v receive_v the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n which_o shall_v wash_v away_o in_o i_o all_o spot_n and_o filth_n both_o of_o original_a and_o actual_a sin_n refer_v my_o take_n of_o priesthood_n to_o such_o opportunity_n and_o season_n as_o you_o in_o your_o own_o wisdom_n shall_v hold_v convenient_a card_n bellarm._n micheas_n as_o concern_v your_o intend_a implant_n in_o christ_n church_n by_o baptism_n your_o desire_n thereof_o i_o much_o commend_v see_v in_o thing_n of_o this_o nature_n to_o will_v to_o do_v well_o be_v a_o do_v well_o for_o your_o actual_a baptise_n whereby_o you_o shall_v cease_v to_o be_v descend_v from_o the_o loin_n of_o your_o first_o parent_n know_v you_o that_o we_o be_v at_o this_o present_a in_o that_o holy-weeke_n in_o which_o the_o redeemer_n of_o the_o world_n be_v by_o the_o jew_n crucify_v a_o time_n among_o some_o other_o season_n of_o the_o year_n appoint_v by_o the_o catholic_a church_n for_o the_o baptise_v of_o such_o jew_n as_o through_o god_n infinite_a grace_n be_v convert_v to_o the_o faith_n of_o christ_n if_o therefore_o it_o please_v you_o to_o morrow_n to_o repair_v to_o the_o cathedral_n church_n of_o this_o city_n you_o shall_v find_v i_o there_o prepare_v to_o minister_v to_o you_o according_a to_o your_o request_n the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n with_o all_o it_o christian_a rite_n and_o ceremony_n and_o after_o in_o convenient_a and_o fit_a time_n i_o will_v confer_v upon_o you_o the_o holy_a order_n of_o priesthood_n micheas_n my_o lord_n cardinal_n till_o than_o i_o will_v take_v leave_n of_o you_o acknowledge_v myself_o to_o be_v your_o lordship_n in_o all_o obseruancy_n and_o will_v be_v ready_a with_o the_o assistance_n of_o the_o high_a at_o the_o place_n appoint_v to_o expect_v that_o happy_a hour_n finis_fw-la god_n save_o the_o king_n the_o conclusion_n here_o learned_a academian_o end_v our_o first_o dialogue_n where_o you_o be_v to_o suppose_v that_o according_a to_o their_o former_a intend_a meetinge_v the_o next_o day_n micheas_n be_v baptize_v by_o the_o cardinal_n who_o be_v thereby_o in_o pudicitia_n christum_fw-la tinctus_fw-la induit_fw-la christum_fw-la and_o within_o some_o short_a time_n after_o he_o receive_v the_o holy_a function_n of_o priesthood_n by_o the_o imposition_n of_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o say_a cardinal_n what_o be_v feign_v to_o have_v happen_v to_o micheas_n after_o his_o departure_n from_o the_o cardinal_n the_o two_o subsequent_a dialogue_n will_v discover_v touch_v the_o precedent_a subject_n of_o this_o first_o dialogue_n if_o it_o please_v you_o but_o to_o fan_n and_o sever_v away_o what_o be_v fictitious_a and_o imaginary_a therein_o from_o what_o be_v true_a and_o warrant_v with_o many_o proof_n you_o shall_v find_v i_o hope_v that_o the_o argument_n produce_v be_v of_o sufficient_a weight_n to_o sway_v any_o man_n judgment_n not_o drunken_a with_o prejudice_n of_o opinion_n to_o acknowledge_v that_o to_o this_o day_n there_o be_v never_o any_o change_n yet_o make_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n so_o much_o as_o in_o one_o dogmatic_a article_n of_o faith_n or_o point_n of_o importance_n which_o be_v the_o matter_n here_o in_o question_n and_o that_o therefore_o the_o protestant_n inconsiderate_a malignity_n be_v hereby_o the_o more_o discover_v who_o so_o frequent_o traduce_v and_o conviciate_v that_o church_n as_o the_o whore_n of_o babylon_n which_o we_o catholic_n do_v undertake_v even_o with_o a_o expugnable_a confidence_n to_o prove_v that_o she_o be_v the_o intemerate_v and_o chaste_a spouse_n of_o christ_n so_o certain_a it_o be_v that_o these_o man_n 13._o cease_v not_o to_o pervert_v the_o straight_a way_n of_o the_o lord_n now_o my_o conclusion_n worthy_a man_n shall_v chief_o rest_v in_o a_o true_a and_o real_a retort_v of_o that_o upon_o our_o adversary_n which_o doctor_n whitaker_n and_o other_o protestant_n do_v false_o obtrude_v upon_o our_o church_n so_o shall_v the_o accuser_n rest_v chargeable_a with_o the_o accusation_n and_o the_o accuse_v become_v assoil_v and_o free_v my_o meaning_n be_v i_o will_v brief_o here_o show_v that_o it_o be_v the_o protestant_a faith_n and_o religion_n which_o have_v make_v a_o manifest_a change_n and_o alteration_n from_o that_o faith_n and_o religion_n which_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n suck_v from_o the_o breast_n of_o her_o first_o instructour_n howsoever_o the_o protestant_n labour_n by_o all_o wit_n and_o other_o mean_n to_o clothe_v their_o innovation_n in_o the_o fair_a attire_n of_o a_o reverend_a and_o regardable_a priority_n of_o be_v i_o will_v insist_v in_o the_o chief_a article_n mantain_v at_o this_o present_a by_o the_o protestant_n and_o will_v set_v down_o the_o main_a circumstance_n necessary_o attend_v as_o above_o be_v make_v plain_n every_o change_n in_o religion_n to_o wit_n the_o doctrine_n which_o be_v new_o broach_v the_o person_n by_o who_o it_o be_v first_o teach_v the_o imposition_n of_o a_o new_a name_n for_o the_o most_o part_n upon_o the_o believer_n of_o that_o doctrine_n draw_v from_o the_o first_o author_n in_o who_o all_o his_o follower_n be_v original_o contain_v as_o the_o branch_n of_o a_o tree_n be_v virtual_o in_o the_o root_n the_o time_n when_o every_o such_o protestant_a article_n be_v first_o ancient_o introduce_v the_o person_n
and_o unreal_a circle_n in_o the_o heaven_n whereby_o they_o arrive_v to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o true_a and_o natural_a motion_n of_o the_o star_n and_o planet_n so_o i_o will_v for_o the_o time_n here_o imagine_v that_o waldo_n wicklef_n hus_n and_o the_o rest_n by_o you_o exemplify_v be_v in_o all_o point_n protestant_n and_o that_o their_o faith_n be_v not_o contaminate_v and_o soil_v with_o any_o one_o error_n or_o heresy_n yet_o from_o these_o acry_n supposal_n i_o will_v nevertheless_o deduce_v the_o infallible_a and_o certain_a truth_n of_o the_o defection_n of_o the_o protestant_n church_n and_o will_v prove_v that_o the_o say_v example_n admit_v they_o for_o true_a example_n be_v not_o sufficient_a for_o several_a reason_n to_o support_v the_o visibility_n of_o the_o protestant_a church_n 1._o and_o first_o we_o be_v here_o to_o call_v to_o mind_n that_o the_o church_n of_o god_n as_o appear_v from_o the_o etymology_n of_o the_o word_n ecclesia_fw-la and_o the_o ecclesiastical_a acceptance_n thereof_o be_v a_o call_n out_o or_o congregation_n of_o many_o of_o the_o faithful_a so_o as_o to_o the_o necessary_a be_v of_o the_o church_n especial_o after_o the_o first_o plantation_n of_o it_o not_o one_o or_o two_o but_o diverse_a and_o many_o faithful_a must_v concur_v which_o point_n be_v make_v more_o evident_a in_o that_o the_o administration_n of_o the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n be_v ever_o a_o most_o necessary_a attendant_n of_o the_o church_n include_v in_o itself_o a_o multitude_n of_o person_n consist_v of_o pastor_n and_o doctor_n on_o the_o one_o side_n and_o of_o spiritual_a sheep_n or_o child_n on_o the_o other_o side_n in_o like_a sort_n the_o former_a prophecy_n touch_v the_o increase_n amplitude_n &_o continual_a splendour_n of_o the_o church_n do_v evict_v the_o same_o now_o to_o apply_v this_o to_o our_o present_a purpose_n in_o some_o of_o the_o former_a example_n we_o find_v no_o mention_n of_o other_o join_v in_o belief_n with_o the_o first_o suppose_v protestant_n of_o that_o time_n therefore_o from_o hence_o it_o may_v be_v conclude_v that_o the_o be_v of_o any_o one_o such_o strange_a protestant_n or_o other_o do_v not_o include_v the_o be_v of_o any_o protestant_a church_n at_o that_o time_n much_o less_o the_o visibility_n of_o such_o a_o suppose_a church_n during_o but_o that_o very_a tyme._n 2._o second_o the_o scripture_n and_o first_o part_n of_o our_o discourse_n do_v irrefragable_o prove_v that_o the_o church_n of_o god_n must_v not_o at_o one_o only_a time_n or_o other_o but_o all_o time_n and_o in_o all_o age_n without_o the_o least_o interruption_n or_o discontinuance_n much_o less_o without_o interruption_n for_o many_o hundred_o year_n together_o be_v most_o visible_a and_o conspicuous_a for_o it_o be_v resemble_v even_o in_o this_o respect_n by_o god_n sacred_a writ_n to_o a_o city_n 2._o place_v upon_o a_o hill_n that_o can_v be_v hide_v at_o any_o time_n and_o to_o a_o mountain_n ibidem_fw-la prepare_v in_o the_o top_n of_o mountain_n and_o exalt_v above_o hill_n all_o which_o imply_v a_o continual_a and_o incessant_a visibility_n of_o the_o church_n to_o which_o scripture_n d._n fulke_n 2._o and_o 37._o d_o whitaker_n subscrbe_n as_o above_o be_v show_v both_o who_o teach_v that_o even_o in_o the_o great_a persecution_n of_o antichrist_n much_o more_o then_o at_o other_o time_n the_o church_n of_o god_n shall_v be_v most_o visible_a and_o as_o bullenger_n 200._o say_v right_a famous_a this_o now_o be_v grant_v and_o withal_o it_o be_v acknowledge_v by_o d._n â—ulke_n 36._o and_o other_o learned_a protestant_n who_o speak_v more_o spare_o and_o wary_o here_o of_o than_o other_o of_o their_o brethren_n do_v who_o grant_v a_o long_a time_n of_o the_o reign_n of_o the_o catholic_a faith_n and_o religion_n that_o anno_fw-la domini_fw-la 607._o the_o papist_n religion_n prevayl_v as_o the_o say_a doctor_n speak_v and_o that_o all_o pope_n from_o boniface_n the_o three_o be_v antichrist_n which_o boniface_n do_v live_v about_o the_o say_a year_n 607._o now_o here_o satisfy_v myself_o at_o this_o present_a with_o our_o adverse_a confession_n touch_v the_o continuance_n of_o our_o catholic_a religion_n i_o demand_v m._n d._n and_o you_o learned_a man_n what_o protestant_n can_v be_v allege_v live_v between_o anno_fw-la 607._o and_o 〈◊〉_d 220._o at_o which_o time_n live_v waldo_n here_o be_v about_o six_o hundred_o year_n between_o these_o two_o time_n during_o all_o which_o period_n as_o also_o for_o every_o year_n thereof_o you_o stand_v oblige_v to_o allege_v protestant_n for_o the_o continuance_n of_o the_o visibility_n of_o your_o church_n or_o else_o to_o acknowledge_v your_o church_n not_o to_o be_v the_o church_n of_o god_n but_o here_o all_o you_o protestant_n be_v at_o a_o stand_n as_o be_v not_o able_a to_o name_v any_o one_o protestant_a living_n within_o the_o compass_n of_o the_o say_v six_o hundred_o year_n i_o mean_v from_o anno_fw-la 607._o to_o anno_fw-la 1220_o whereby_o to_o support_v the_o visibility_n of_o your_o church_n but_o for_o any_o part_n of_o that_o time_n much_o less_o for_o whole_a tyme._n and_o if_o you_o m._n doctor_n can_v instance_n for_o those_o time_n i_o here_o provoke_v you_o thereto_o for_o as_o for_o bertram_n and_o berengarius_fw-la etc._n etc._n their_o example_n be_v over_o unworthy_a to_o be_v insist_v upon_o as_o above_o be_v show_v besyd_v suppose_v they_o for_o protestant_n yet_o their_o example_n serve_v but_o only_o during_o the_o life_n of_o bertram_n and_o berengarius_fw-la both_o which_o live_v some_o four_o or_o five_o hundred_o year_n after_o the_o acknowledge_v foresay_v 607._o year_n of_o boniface_n for_o which_o four_a or_o five_o hundred_o year_n you_o still_o remain_v bind_v to_o instance_n your_o protestant_n again_o waldo_n as_o be_v say_v live_v in_o anno_fw-la 1220._o wocklefe_v live_v anno_o 1370._o huâ—_n in_o anno_fw-la 1405._o luther_n live_v more_o than_o a_o hundred_o year_n after_o hus._n here_o we_o see_v again_o there_o be_v a_o good_a number_n of_o year_n between_o every_o one_o of_o these_o several_a time_n and_o here_o i_o demand_v again_o of_o you_o to_o name_v some_o protestant_n to_o fill_v up_o the_o bank_n as_o it_o be_v or_o empty_a room_n of_o these_o many_o stallion_n during_o all_o which_o time_n you_o can_v instance_n i_o be_o sure_a in_o any_o one_o know_v confess_v protestant_n wherefore_o i_o conclude_v that_o see_v the_o church_n of_o god_n be_v to_o be_v at_o all_o time_n &_o season_n ever_o visible_a and_o discernible_a and_o see_v your_o former_a example_n of_o waldo_n wicklefe_v hus_n and_o the_o rest_n above_o mention_v admit_v they_o for_o true_a example_n in_o all_o point_n be_v find_v defective_a to_o prove_v your_o church_n visibility_n that_o therefore_o your_o protestant_a church_n for_o want_n of_o this_o visibility_n so_o necessary_o require_v be_v not_o the_o true_a church_n of_o god_n and_o consequent_o that_o i_o have_v no_o warrant_n to_o leave_v the_o catholic_a church_n and_o to_o implant_v myself_o in_o your_o protestant_a church_n 3._o three_o all_o the_o former_a man_n i_o mean_v berengarius_fw-la waldo_n wicklefe_v hus_n luther_n &c._n &c._n be_v original_o catholic_n and_o then_o after_o by_o forge_v of_o new_a doctrine_n afore_o untaught_a they_o divide_v themselves_o from_o the_o church_n then_o in_o be_v and_o so_o thereby_o they_o iustify_v in_o themselves_o those_o word_n of_o s._n john_n r_o they_o go_v out_o of_o we_o the_o very_a signature_n or_o character_n 15._o of_o a_o heretic_n even_o in_o the_o judgement_n of_o protestant_n progrediuntur_fw-la now_o this_o disparture_n or_o go_v out_o of_o the_o church_n imply_v in_o lieu_n of_o a_o continuance_n of_o their_o church_n a_o interruption_n discontinuance_n and_o defection_n of_o their_o church_n and_o consequent_o a_o want_n of_o visibility_n of_o their_o say_a church_n since_o it_o infallible_o prove_v that_o the_o doctrine_n teach_v by_o these_o man_n after_o their_o departure_n be_v not_o teach_v by_o the_o church_n afore_o in_o be_v for_o if_o they_o have_v be_v teach_v by_o it_o these_o man_n need_v not_o to_o leave_v the_o then_o know_a church_n for_o their_o defend_n and_o teach_v of_o their_o say_a doctrine_n 4._o four_o &_o last_o you_o no_o doubt_n will_v say_v that_o wicklefe_v hus_n luther_n etc._n etc._n do_v preach_v the_o word_n and_o administer_v the_o sacrament_n to_o their_o disciple_n since_o without_o these_o mean_n even_o by_o your_o confession_n the_o church_n can_v subsist_v here_o then_o see_v no_o 5._o man_n take_v to_o he_o the_o honour_n of_o priesthood_n but_o he_o that_o be_v call_v of_o god_n as_o aaron_n be_v and_o see_v according_a hereto_o it_o be_v say_v how_o 10._o shall_v they_o preach_v except_o they_o be_v send_v and_o further_o who_o so_o 10._o enter_v not_o at_o the_o door_n into_o the_o
passage_n touch_v waldo_n and_o the_o waldenses_n and_o their_o follower_n after_o this_o author_n have_v finish_v his_o speech_n of_o the_o waldenses_n he_o further_o thus_o proceed_v the_o 54._o author_n of_o the_o sixteen_o century_n name_v about_o the_o year_n 1500._o baptista_n mantuanus_fw-la and_o franciscus_n picus_n earl_n of_o mirandula_n both_o which_o inveigh_v against_o the_o clergy_n and_o their_o whole_a practice_n also_o one_o d._n keiser_n pergius_fw-la a_o other_o call_v john_n hilton_n a_o three_o name_v doctor_n andrea_n proles_fw-la and_o savanorola_n all_fw-mi grawning_fw-mi under_o the_o burden_n of_o those_o time_n again_o the_o pamphleter_n thus_o say_v and_o the_o 56._o same_o be_v write_v of_o trimetheus_n a_o other_o learned_a man_n who_o live_v at_o that_o tyme._n thus_o this_o our_o author_n now_o how_o exorbitant_o and_o wild_o be_v these_o urge_v for_o protestant_n for_o first_o they_o be_v aver_v to_o be_v such_o only_a by_o protestant_a writer_n to_o wit_n oâ—â—ander_n and_o pantaleon_n who_o herein_o may_v well_o be_v presume_v for_o the_o uphould_v of_o their_o own_o protestant_a church_n to_o be_v partial_a in_o their_o relation_n second_o this_o treatizer_n do_v not_o instance_n any_o point_n of_o protestancy_n believe_v by_o any_o of_o they_o which_o if_o he_o can_v no_o doubt_n he_o will_v not_o have_v omit_v but_o only_o urge_v their_o write_n against_o some_o pretend_a abuse_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o those_o day_n and_o therefore_o such_o his_o proceed_n be_v but_o calumnye_v and_o impertinency_n last_o touch_v savanorola_n and_o picus_n of_o mirandula_n for_o as_o for_o the_o other_o they_o be_v so_o obscure_a that_o hardly_o any_o particular_a information_n can_v be_v have_v of_o they_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o they_o be_v both_o roman_a catholic_n and_o die_v in_o that_o religion_n for_o as_o concern_v savanorola_n he_o believe_v all_o the_o article_n of_o the_o roman_a faith_n as_o evident_o appear_v out_o of_o his_o own_o write_n style_v vigiliae_fw-la except_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o excommunicate_v this_o one_o point_n he_o contumacious_o deny_v and_o for_o this_o he_o be_v burn_v touch_v picus_n of_o mirandula_n sir_n thomas_n more_o of_o bless_a memory_n write_v his_o life_n show_v that_o he_o be_v so_o full_o a_o roman_a catholic_a that_o in_o his_o life_n time_n he_o sell_v a_o great_a part_n of_o his_o land_n to_o give_v to_o the_o poor_a that_o he_o often_o use_v to_o scourge_v &_o discipline_n his_o own_o flesh_n that_o if_o he_o have_v live_v long_o he_o intend_v to_o have_v enter_v into_o the_o religious_a order_n of_o the_o dominican_n pryar_n that_o in_o time_n of_o his_o sickness_n he_o receive_v according_a to_o the_o catholic_a custom_n the_o most_o bless_a and_o reverend_a sacrament_n of_o christ_n body_n and_o blood_n for_o his_o viaticum_fw-la final_o that_o hear_v the_o priest_n in_o his_o sickness_n to_o repeat_v unto_o he_o the_o article_n of_o the_o roman_a faith_n and_o be_v demand_v whether_o he_o believe_v they_o answer_v he_o do_v not_o only_o believe_v they_o but_o do_v know_v they_o also_o to_o be_v true_a so_o foul_o we_o see_v this_o pamphleter_n be_v oversee_v in_o allege_v savanorola_n and_o picus_n of_o mirandula_n for_o protestant_n but_o to_o proceed_v further_o this_o idle_a waster_n of_o pen_n ink_n &_o paper_n for_o i_o can_v term_v he_o no_o better_a next_o descend_v in_o a_o retrograte_a and_o disorderly_a method_n to_o laurentius_n 56._o valla_n the_o grammarian_n who_o touch_v the_o article_n of_o the_o roman_a catholic_a faith_n only_o deny_v freewill_n as_o appear_v even_o from_o the_o protestant_a 872._o writer_n and_o who_o after_o g_o submit_v himself_o to_o the_o pope_n and_o final_o die_v in_o all_o point_n catholic_a all_o which_o this_o author_n affect_o conceal_v he_o say_v of_o valla_n in_o this_o sort_n valla_n write_v a_o treatise_n of_o purpose_n against_o the_o forge_a donation_n of_o constantine_n he_o pronounce_v of_o his_o own_o experience_n that_o the_o pope_n make_v war_n against_o peaceable_a people_n and_o sow_v discord_n between_o city_n finem_fw-la and_o province_n etc._n etc._n with_o much_o more_o refuse_v of_o base_a matter_n concern_v the_o suppose_a coveteousnes_n of_o the_o pope_n yet_o notwithstanding_o all_o this_o he_o name_v not_o any_o one_o article_n of_o protestancy_n defend_v by_o valla._n but_o the_o pamphleter_n thus_o further_a proceed_v to_o other_o say_v about_o sequentib_a the_o same_o time_n live_v nicolaus_n clemingius_n who_o rebuke_v many_o thing_n in_o the_o ecclesiastical_a state_n and_o speak_v excellent_o in_o the_o matter_n of_o general_n counsel_n etc._n etc._n petrus_n de_fw-fr aliaco_n cardinal_n of_o cambray_n give_v atract_v to_o the_o council_n of_o constance_n touch_v reformation_n of_o the_o church_n there_o he_o do_v reprove_v many_o notable_a abuse_n against_o the_o romanist_n etc._n etc._n about_o 58._o the_o same_o time_n live_v leonardus_n aretinus_n who_o little_a book_n against_o hypocrates_n be_v worth_a the_o read_n so_o be_v the_o oration_n of_o antontus_fw-la cornelius_n linnicanus_n lay_v open_a the_o lend_v lubricity_n of_o priest_n in_o his_o day_n so_o do_v 59_o he_o detect_v many_o abuse_n and_o error_n who_o write_v the_o ten_o aggrievance_n of_o germany_n but_o those_o who_o compile_v the_o hundred_o agrevance_n of_o the_o german_a nation_n do_v discover_v many_o more_o and_o then_o the_o pamphleter_n most_o ambitious_o or_o rather_o ridiculous_o thus_o conclude_v by_o this_o time_n i_o trust_v it_o be_v manifest_a how_o false_a a_o slander_n of_o the_o papistsis_n that_o before_o the_o day_n of_o martin_n luther_n there_o be_v never_o any_o of_o our_o religion_n egregiam_fw-la verè_fw-la laudem_fw-la &_o spolia_fw-la ampla_fw-la refectis_fw-la tu_fw-la calamusque_fw-la tâ—â—s_fw-la for_o who_o observe_v not_o how_o absurd_o you_o pamphleter_n do_v apologise_v for_o the_o visibility_n of_o your_o church_n thus_o good_a reader_n thou_o see_v that_o this_o author_n instance_v in_o valla_n and_o other_o above_o mention_v for_o protestant_n and_o yet_o set_v not_o down_o any_o one_o article_n of_o protestancy_n believe_v by_o they_o for_o not_o any_o of_o they_o deny_v the_o real_a presence_n purgatory_n prayer_n to_o saint_n the_o seven_o sacrament_n justification_n by_o work_n the_o pope_n supremacy_n etc._n etc._n all_o that_o this_o author_n can_v produce_v they_o for_o be_v because_o they_o do_v write_v satirical_o and_o bitter_o against_o the_o abuse_n of_o the_o church_n in_o those_o day_n but_o to_o this_o we_o reply_n that_o it_o be_v grant_v on_o all_o side_n that_o both_o in_o the_o catholic_a and_o the_o protestant_a church_n there_o have_v be_v and_o still_o be_v diverse_a of_o irregular_a and_o disedifying_a lyve_n must_v now_o those_o who_o in_o their_o write_n or_o sermon_n reprehend_v such_o be_v necessary_o suppose_v to_o be_v of_o a_o different_a faith_n from_o those_o who_o they_o so_o reprehend_v who_o see_v not_o the_o weakness_n of_o this_o inconsequent_a and_o absurd_a kind_n of_o reason_v from_o the_o former_a justances_n the_o pamphleter_n ascend_v to_o john_n l_o wiclef_n prostiture_v he_o for_o a_o protestant_n and_o here_o 60._o also_o he_o spend_v many_o leaf_n in_o wander_a excursion_n of_o speech_n and_o indeed_o to_o no_o other_o end_n but_o as_o i_o intimate_v a_o fore_n to_o daub_v ink_n upon_o paper_n for_o he_o pretend_v to_o show_v the_o aussit_n have_v receive_v their_o doctrine_n out_o of_o the_o book_n of_o wiclef_n how_o the_o council_n of_o constance_n condemn_v wiclef_n for_o a_o heretiycke_fw-mi as_o also_o how_o the_o doctrine_n of_o wiclef_n be_v much_o dilate_a hair_n in_o england_n but_o to_o manifest_v how_o impertinent_a the_o allege_v of_o wiclef_n for_o a_o protestant_n be_v i_o refer_v the_o reader_n to_o the_o dialogue_n where_o be_v show_v out_o of_o wiclefs_n one_o write_n the_o many_o catholic_a article_n of_o the_o roman_a religion_n to_o wit_n the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o seven_o sacrament_n rite_n and_o ceremony_n of_o the_o mass_n pray_v to_o our_o bless_a lady_n worship_n of_o image_n merit_n of_o work_n and_o work_n of_o supererogation_n etc._n etc._n still_o believe_v by_o he_o even_o after_o his_o leap_v out_o of_o our_o church_n as_o also_o there_o be_v show_v the_o many_o condemn_a heresy_n in_o like_a sort_n mantayn_v by_o he_o after_o his_o departure_n from_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o this_o from_o the_o penn_n of_o the_o protestant_n but_o here_o before_o i_o end_v with_o wiclefe_v i_o must_v put_v the_o reader_n in_o mind_n of_o one_o notorious_a collusion_n or_o deceate_n much_o practise_v by_o this_o pamphleter_n touch_v diverse_a of_o the_o former_a man_n allege_v for_o protestant_n but_o most_o particular_o touch_v wiclefe_v it_o be_v this_o he_o here_o particularize_v no_o protestant_a article_n but_o only_o the_o deny_v of_o transubstantiation_n yet_o where_o