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A60497 No faith or credit to be given to Papists being a discourse occasioned by the late conspirators dying in the denyal of their guilt : with particular reflections on the perjury of VVill. Viscount Stafford, both at his tryal, and in his speech on the scaffold in relation to Mr. Stephen Dugdale and Mr. Edward Turbervill / by John Smith Gentleman ... Smith, John, of Walworth. 1681 (1681) Wing S4128; ESTC R12871 58,333 38

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these Depositions that he had not only more than an ordinary Reputation in my Lord Aston's Family the management of my Lords chiefest Concernments being entrusted with him but that he was highly valued by the whole Countrey for Candor Integrity Justice and Truth beyond what other Papists under all the Recommendation of Birth Breeding and Inheritance could arrive unto And as to be accounted and stiled Honest Mr. Dugdale was the greatest honour that a virtuous ambition could make him aspire unto so his Temper and whole Conduct since called forth to appear on a more publick Theatre do proclaim him every way worthy of that Compellation And this Character which he obtained in Staffordshire doth so correspond with what we have seen and observed of him in London that all impartial men do readily acknowledge the justness of it And whereas my Lord Stafford protested in the presence of God that as he was never with him alone so he never spake to him but once and that only concerning a Foot-man Here are proofs neither to be distrusted nor contradicted that he had both frequent conversation with him and admitted him into those privacies which others were debarred and shut out from And indeed by the familiarity he entertained him with and the sequestring themselves from all other Company whensoever they discoursed together we may easily imagine what was the Subject they treated about For what else should recommend another Persons Servant to those Privacies which my Lord Stafford vouchsafed Mr. Dugdale or prefer one of so mean a Rank to be selected from among the company of the best Gentlemen to be discoursed with apart but that there was some important Design on foot of which they two were particularly conscious And could this in probability be any other than the mighty Affair of destroying the King and overthrowing the Protestant Religion which the whole Papal Party had so long designed and were at that time filled with the highest confidences of accomplishing § 12. The next thing that lies before us is the consideration of this late Lords renouncing all knowledge of Mr. Turbervill and with what solemnity he abjured the having so much as at any time seen him For having at his Trial not only declared that he never saw him before in his life he repeats it in his Speech upon the Scaffold and withall avers upon his Death and Salvation that he never spake one word to Mr. Turbervill or to his knowledge ever saw him until his Trial. Some possibly may be ready to believe that my Lord Viscount Stafford had the gift of forgetfulness and that the Papists by a peculiar Donation remember nothing that may either asperse themselves or the interest of the Catholick Cause But as they can not tell us where such a priviledge is bequeathed unto them so we shall make it appear by irrefragable Testimonies that he was well acquainted with Mr. Turbervill and that the spring of this misadventure in denying it was not the weakness of his Memory but the badness of his Conscience Nor shall I insist upon the Testimony of Mr. Mort who being produced at the Trial of my Lord Stafford deposed that being acquainted with Mr. Turbervill at Paris the said Turbervill did to the best of his remembrance tell him that his Brother who was a Monk had introduced him into the favour of my Lord Stafford and that once being in company with Mr. Turbervill the said Mr. Turbervill withdrew from him to speak with that Lord and that he the said Mort walk'd about Luxemburg-house till his return For though this Testimony doth mightily strengthen Mr. Turbervills Evidence being agreeable in several circumstances with what he declared yet forasmuch as the whole is to be found in the Printed Relation of my Lord Staffords Trial together with the great and convincing improvement which an excellent Person made of it I shall therefore decline enlarging upon it and shall proceed to advance two other Depositions demonstrative of this late Lords insincerity and falsehood in renouncing before God and men the having had any former knowledge of Mr. Turbervill The Information of John Showter Gent. one of the Clerks in the Crown-Office in Chancery taken upon Oath this 3th day of January 1680. before me Edmond Warcupp Esq one of his Majesties Justices of the Peace in the said County and City Middl. Westm. ss THis Informant saith that about six or seven years ago he did frequently resort to the Chappel at Tart-Hall to Mass the then House of William late Viscount Stafford and one of those times he met there one Mr. Glassie who asked this Informant a List of the Names of the Justices of the Peace in Shropshire which List some few days afterwards this Informant carried to Tart-Hall and delivered it to the said Glassie who in kindness invited this Informant to drink a Glass of Wine in the Cellar and two other Gentlemen went to drink with them and after some time this Informant asked the said Mr. Glassie who a Tall thin Gentleman was who was then one of the Company who answered his name was Turbervill and that he belonged to the Lady Molineux and this Informant cannot positively say that Mr. Edward Turbervill now produced was the same Person then in his Company but believes he may be the same by his stature and thinness only his Hair did then look like a Perriwig and was much longer than it is now And he further saith that he verily believes he saw the said Mr. Turbervill at least forty times in the said House up and down so commonly that he believed the said Turbervill to be one of the Lord Staffords Family and did likewise see him several times at Mass at the said House John Showter Jurat ' die Anno supradicto coram me Edmond Warcupp Vera Copia Ex ' per me Edmond Warcupp The Information of Colonel John Scott taken upon Oath the 13th day of February 1680. before me Edmond Warcupp Esq one of his Majesties Justices of the Peace in the said County and City Middl. Westm. ss THis Informant saith that he was at Paris in France in the month of November 1675. and there met William late Viscount Stafford whom this Informant was well acquainted with in a Cedan in the Street called Rue de Neuf Fosse about the 18th or 20th of the said November who called to this Informant inviting him to his Lodgings which he then said was in a Street called La Rue de Pornoung at a Corner House at the lower end of that Street the upper end whereof is fronted by Luxemburgh-house to which Lodging this Informant went the next day and was introduc'd into his Lordships Chamber who complain'd of a lameness which the Informant judg'd to be the Gout and this Informant visited him several times afterwards in his Chamber which was a lower Room in the said Corner House about the latter end of the said month of November 1675. when a certain Person
this 17th day of January 1680. before me Edmond Warcupp Esq one of his Majesties Justices of the Peace in the said County and City Middle Westm. ss THis Informant saith that he waited on Robert Howard of Horecross in the said County of Stafford Esq to the House of the Lord Aston at Tixall in the said County of Stafford on the 12th of September 1678. and then and there saw William late Lord Viscount Stafford talking with Mr. Stephen Dugdale And on the 13th day of the said month of September 1678. this Informant stepping by accident into a Room there called the little Dining-Room or little Parlour some time before Dinner he then and there saw the said William late Viscount Stafford and the said Stephen Dugdale talking and discoursing together in private no other person then being in the said Room besides themselves whereupon this Informant soon withdrew lest he should interrupt their Conference And this Informant is most assured of the Premisses by a certain Memorandum which he then wrote down in his own Pocket Book which at the time of this Information is produced And he likewise saw the said William late Viscount Stafford and the said Stephen Dugdale discoursing together in Tixall Park in the Buck season of the same year 1678. no other Person being with them while the Gentry then Assembled were hunting the Buck in the said Park And this Informant further saith that as he was walking in Tixall Hall about the 18th or 19th day of September 1678. he observed the said William late Lord Viscount Stafford go into a Room called the great Parlour or the Dining-Room which adjoyned to his Lordships Lodging Chamber and immediately the said Stephen Dugdale followed him into the said Room and this Informant saw them two alone discoursing together but how long they continued there or what their Discourse was he knoweth not And by these and other Observations this Informant did believe that the said Stephen Dugdale was in good esteem and in some trust with the said late Viscount Stafford And he further saith that the said Stephen Dugdale was then Steward to the Lord Aston and had great Power and Command in the said Lord Astons Family at Tixall and bought and sold all things relating to the Family or Estate at Tixall and was the Chiefest man in the Lord Astons Family and paid the Wages of Labourers and had a very good Name and Reputation among the Gentry of that Countrey as well Papists as Protestants and was frequently termed Honest Stephen Dugdale And this Informant further saith that he hath observed the said William late Lord Viscount Stafford own the said Stephen Dugdale with respect calling him Mr. Dugdale at Dinners and Suppers before the said Lord Astons face both when they did eat in private and when they did eat in publick with other Gentry and Persons of Quality in the said House to which there was great resort in that year And this Informant likewise observed the said Stephen Dugdale was well respected and very civilly treated by the said William late Lord Viscount Stafford in other Companies and Places where they Occasionally met And further saith not William Skelton Jurat ' die Anno supradict ' coram me Edm. Warcupp Vera Copia Ex ' per me Edmond Warcupp The Information of Walter Collins of the Burrough of Stafford Gent. taken upon Oath the 19th day of January 1680. before Tho. Blacks and Sampson Byrch his Majesties Justices of the Peace for the said Burrough Stafford Burrough ss WHo saith that in or about the year of our Lord Christ 1678. he saw the late Lord Stafford and Mr. Stephen Dugdale walk together in the Court Yard belonging to Tixall Hall between the Gate-house and the said Hall about the space of a quarter of an hour and that no other Person did walk with them or was in hearing of them Wal. Collins Signed in presence of William Southall Jurat ' die Anno predict ' coram Tho. Blake Sam. Byrch Thomas Jordan of Little-Haywood in the County of Stafford Gent. one of the High-Constables for the said County Staff ss SAith that in the Summer time in the year of our Lord One thousand six hundred seventy and eight on a Thursday being a Bowling day at Tixall in the said County he this Informant saw the Lord Stafford and the Lord Aston stand together on the side of the Bowling-Green a distance from the rest of the Company there and out of their hearing And while their Lordships stood at that distance this Informant saw Mr. Stephen Dugdale go to their Lordships and stand with them in that place out of hearing of the rest of the Company about a quarter of an hour and their Lordships and Mr. Dugdale did Discourse together all that time as this Informant verily believes this Informant being in their sight all that time but not in their hearing Thomas Jordan 15 die January 1680. Signed then in the presence of Thomas Whitbey Edward Foden The Information of William Suelson of Great-Haywood Nailer taken upon Oath before Sir Bryan Broughton Knight and Barronet Jan. 13. 1680. WHo saith that about Michaelmas was two years he saw the Lord Stafford walking alone with Mr. Stephen Dugdale upon Tixall Bowling-Alley And this Informant saith that he knew the Lord Stafford as well as the one hand from the other for he hath often seen him at Tixall William Suelson Jurat ' coram me B. Broughton The Information of Richard Parkin of Shutburrough in the County of Stafford taken upon Oath in Stafford before James Lewes of the Burrough of Stafford and Thomas Blake and Sampson Byrch Justices of the said Burrough Staff ss WHo upon his Oath saith that in the Summer time in the year of our Lord Christ 1677. he saw William late Viscount Stafford and Mr. Stephen Dugdale together by themselves and none else with them in the Court at Tixall betwixt Tixall Hall and the Stables there And also that he this Informant saw the said Lord Stafford and the said Mr. Dugdale together and none else with them upon a Hempland belonging to Walter Eld of Tixall Rich. Parkin his A Mark Signed in the presence of William Southall 15. Jan. 1680. Jurat ' coram James Lewes Tho. Blake Samp. Byrch Vera Copia The Information of Tho. Creswell of Little-Haywood Cordwayner Januar. 11. 1680. Staff WHo saith that in the Summer time in the year of our Lord 1676. he was at Tixall to ride Horses and about a month before Michaelmas the Lord Stafford took him to be his Page with whom he lived a year and a quarter within that time my Lord Stafford was three or four times at Tixall and staied sometimes two or three nights together and three or four mornings he hath sent this Informant to see for Stephen Dugdale and bid him come to him for to speak with him And this Informant saith that he hath seen him at the least three times go into the Parlour to my