to lie with it upon the Cape and at Lambuck to which places comes all his Ships with Riches from all places and then they may set upon all that comes Saturday March 3. there ensued some discouse touching the Priviledges of the House Sunday March 4. Munday March 5. Mr. Beale HE desired to satisfie the House Mr. Beale by reason it was conceived by the Lords the other day that upon his Motion and by the President he shewed the House was led to deny a Conference with the Lords he acknowledged he mistook the Question appointed for there being but a Conference desired by the Lords and no confirming of what they had done he thought we might and thought fit we should confer And to this end he onely shewed the President That in the ninth year of Hen. 4. the Commons having granted a Subsidy which the Lords thought too little and they agreed to a greater and would have had the Commons to confirm that they had done This the Commons thought they could not do without prejudice to their honour Wherefore he acknowledged himself mistaken in the Question and desired if any were led by him to be satisfied for that he would have been of another opinion if he had conceived the matter as it was meant Sir Robert Cecill I Desire now I may be somewhat long Sir Rob. Cecill because I must include an Answer to three Speeches Those two honourable persons which sit above the one of them declared the true state of the Question the other what was sit we should do but my Answer shall tend onely to the other Tales that followed The first was a kind of satisfaction for a former mistaking but in the same satisfaction a new mistaking was also which was by way of information casting it into the House that the Queen should seem to demand three Subsidies Now the Queen never demanded three nor one so here is a new mistaking added to the former satisfaction The second mans Motion thus far I allow that the Councels of this House be secretly kept and that nothing be reported in Malam partem but if his meaning be that we may not impart any thing that is done here unto the Queen but that all things must be kept secret from her I am altogether against it This onely I should desire what ought to be observed that nothing ought to be reported unto her in Malam partem The third mans Motion consisted upon three points The first was News the second History the third and last a Motion His News was that mens Names were given up to the Queen this was News for I heard it not before The History was a large Report of the whole progress of this matter His Motion was that we should confer with the Lords about a Subsidy but not conclude a Subsidy with them His Motion seems contrary to his meaning or else is more than ever was meant for it was never desired of us by the Lords that we should confer with them about a Subsidy Sir Walter Rawleigh HE informed the House that he thought the Division of the House the last day Sir Walter Rawleigh to grow upon the mistaking of the Question and that some had since reported to him That had the matter been resolved that onely a general Conference was desired most of them that sat would not have been against it Wherefore he desired Mr. Speaker to put it to the question Whether they should confer with the Lords generally or no without naming a Subsidy This Motion being well liked Sir Walter Rawleigh was desired by the House to repeat it again that so it might be the better heard of them all And thereupon he said That touching the aforesaid Question which had receiv'd a No upon Saturday last he would not make it a Question again for by the Order of the House he could not but propound this for a new Question in these or the like words Whether the House would be pleased to have a general Conference with the Lords touching the great and eminent dangers of the Realm and State and the present necessary supply of Treasure to be provided speedily for the same according to the proportion of the necessity Which Question being propounded it was assented unto by all without any negative voice On Tuesday March 6. two Bills had each of them one reading of which the second being a Bill for confirming Letters-Patents granted to the Mayor Sheriffs Citizens and Commonalty of the City of Lincoln was read the second time Sir Edward Hobby one of the Committees for Returns and Priviledges shewed that for the Burrough of Calmesford in the County of Cornwall one Richard Leech was returned to the Sheriff for a Burgess by a false Return and that afterwards Sir George Carew Knight was returned Burgess by the true Return and alleadging that the said Richard Leech offer'd to yield the place to the said Sir George Carew he moved for the Order of this House therein And thereupon Mr. Speaker was appointed to move the Lord Keeper in the said Case for his Order either for his allowance of the said Sir George Carew in the place of the said Richard Leech or else in awarding a new Writ for chusing another at his Lordships pleasure And so for his Lordships Order in the Case of the Burgess returned for the Burrough of Southwark in the allowance of Richard Hutton already returned or else in awarding a new Writ for chusing another at his Lordships pleasure And so also for his Lordships altering the name of John Dudley to the name of Thomas Dudley in the return of one of the Burgesses of Newtown in the County of Southampton or else to award a new Writ at his Lordships pleasure Divers other Bills were read on this day On Wednesday March 7. Sir Edward Hobby moved the Case of Mr. Fitz-Herbert his bringing up unto this House by a Hab. Cor. cum causa from the Lord Keeper sheweth that he hath moved the Lord Keeper touching the said Writ and that his Lordship thinketh best in regard of the ancient priviledges of this House that a Serjeant at Arms be sent by order of this House for the said Mr. Fitz-herbert at his own charge by reason whereof he may be brought hither to this House without peril of being further arrested by the way and the state of his Cause consider'd of and examined when he shall come hither which was thereupon well liked and allowed of by this House Three Bills had each of them one reading of which the second concerning the lawful deprivation of Edward Bonner late Bishop of London was read the second time On Thursday March 8. Mr. Speaker shewed unto this House that according unto the appointment of this House he hath attended the Lord Keeper touching his Lordships pleasure for the directing of a new Writ for the chusing of another Burgess for the Burrough of Southwark in the County of Surrey instead of Richard Hutton Gentleman
supposed to have been unduly and indirectly elected And also for the allowing of Sir George Carew Kt. to be Burgess for the Burrough of Camelsford in the County of Cornwall as truely returned Burgess of the said Burrough of Camelsford in the said County of Cornwall instead of Richard Leech alleadged to have been returned by the said Sheriff by a false Return made before the said other Return of the said Sir George Carew And also for changing the name of John Dudley Esq returned for the Burrough of Newtown in the County of Southampton into the name of Thomas Dudley Esq alleadged to be the same person in very deed that should have been returned and that his name was mistaken and none living known by the name of John Dudley His Lordships answer and resolution in the said Case was That the said Returns by the said Burgesses of Southwark and Camelsford should stand and continue according to the Return of the same without taking notice of any fact therein or in the Election at all And that his Lordship would direct another Writ for chusing of another Burgess for the Burrough of Newtown instead of the said John Dudley and that his Lordship would insert the said Cause of misnomer so as is before alleadged Four Bills had each of them one reading of which the last being a Bill for confirmation of the assurance unto certain Purchasers of Lands sold by Sir Richard Knightly Kt. Valentine Knightly and Edward Knightly Esquires was upon the reading the second time committed to Mr. Serjeant Yelverton Sir Henry Vmpton Mr. Cradock and others who were appointed to meet to morrow at two of the clock in the afternoon in the Exchequer-chamber On Friday March 9. the Bill concerning Woollen-cloaths called Vesses c. was upon the second reading committed unto Sir William Knowls Sir John Hart Mr. Recorder of London and others who were appointed to meet on Tuesday next in the afternoon in the Exchequer-chamber Sir John Harrington and Sir Thomas Wilks were added to the former Committees in the Bill for confirmation of certain assurances unto certain Purchasers of Land sold by Sir Richard Knightly Kt. Valentine Knightly and Edward Knightly Esquires appointed yesterday The Committees in the Bill touching Recusants nominated upon Wednesday the 28 of February before-going are appointed to meet in this House at two of the clock this afternoon The Committees also in the Bill for the naturalizing Samuel Saltingston and others nominated on the sixth of this instant March are appointed to meet to morrow at two of the clock in the afternoon in the Middle-Temple-hall Divers Bills were this day read On Saturday March 10. Mr. Wroth one of the Committees in the Bill against stealing Oxen Sheep and Lambs shewed that he and the rest of the Committees in the same Bill have met together and added some Amendments to the same Bill and offered both the Bill and Amendments to the House which Amendments being inserted into the Bill by the Clerk of this House and the same Amendments then also twice read the Bill upon the Question was ordered to be ingrossed The Bill for relief of Jurors Bill for relief of Jurors upon Tryals upon Tryals between Party and Party was upon the second reading committed unto Mr. Tasborough Mr. Recorder of London Mr. Wroth and others and the Bill was delivered to Mr. Tasborough who with the rest were appointed to meet this day at two of the clock in the afternoon at Middle-Temple-hall Divers other Bills were this day also read March 11. Sunday On Munday March 12. Mr. Lewis one of the Committees in the Bill concerning salted Fish and salted Herrings shewed That he and the rest of the Committee had taken pains in consideration of the said Bill and have added a Proviso and prayed the twice reading of the said Proviso and that the same Bill and Proviso may be ordered to be ingrossed Whereupon the said Proviso being twice read the said Bill and Proviso after some Speeches both against the said Bill and with it was upon the Question referred to the former Committees who were appointed on Munday the fifth of this instant March to be considered of in this afternoon of this present day in the Exchequer-chamber The Bill committed for the confirmation of Letters-Patents to the Mayor Sheriffs Citizens and Commonalty of Lincoln and concerning the lawful deprivation of Edward Bonner late Bishop of London are delivered to Sir Edward Dimmocke one of the Committees and also the Committees names in both the said Bills And divers Bills read On Tuesday March 13. the Bill for reducing disloyal Subjects to their obedience had its second reading Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer brought in a Preamble agreed by the major part of the Committees to be set down in the Bill for the Subsidies if this House shall think well to like of it which Preamble being read by the Clerk of this House the same was after some Speeches had pro con committed upon the Question unto Mr. Vicechamberlain Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer Mr. Broughton Mr. Brown and others to be presently further considered of in the Committee-chamber of this House Mr. Atturney-General and Dr. Ford brought from the Lords a Bill concerning the Lands of Henry late Lord of Abergaveny deceased with a Message also from their Lordships to desire that a Committee of selected Members of this House may be appointed to have Conference with a Committee of the Lords touching the continuance of the Statute It was resolved by the House to assent to such a Committee and that assent was also delivered in answer to the said Mr. Atturney and Dr. Ford and to attend their Lordships therein at such time and place as their Lordships should please to signifie unto this House and appoint for that purpose Divers Bills were this day read On Wednesday March 14. Sir Edward Hobby one of the Committees in the Bill touching Mr. Stafford brought in the Bill with some Amendments and opening the Effect of the said Amendments to the House the same Amendments being then also read by the Clerk it was ordered by the House that the same Amendments should be inserted into the Bill The Bill for Mr. Anthony Coke had its first reading Mr. Richard Lukenor one of the Committees in the Bill concerning the lawful deprivation of Edward Bonner late Bishop of London brought in the Bill with some Amendments and opening the contents of the same Amendments unto the House the same Amendments being then also read to the House by the Clerk it was ordered by this House that the said Amendments should be inserted in the said Bill which was done accordingly Divers other Bills were this day also read On Thursday March 15. Sir Edward Dimmocke one of the Committees in the Bill for confirmation of Letters-Patents to the Mayor Sheriffs Citizens and Commonalty of the City of Lincoln appointed on Saturday the 10th of this instant March brought in the Bill with some Amendments and opening
Committees of the Lower House to come the sooner this Afternoon for this purpose they might well enough perform both the one and the other On Wednesday Feb. 1. the Bill intituled Feb. 1. An Act for the reviving continuance explanation and repealing of divers Statutes returned to the House by the Lord Chief Justice with some amendments which were presently twice read and thereupon Commandment given to be prepared ready in writing in Paper for a third reading It is agreed that a Conference shall be had with some of the Lower House about this Bill upon Friday Morning next On Friday Feb. 3. a Proviso in the Bill for recovering 300000 Acres more or less of waste Marsh and watry Ground this day twice read and the Amendments And thereupon Commandment given the said Amendments should be written in Paper and the Proviso ingrossed in Parchment ready for a third reading Report made by the Lord Treasurer what the substance of the Conference was between their Lordships and certain select Committees of the Lower House concerning the Bill for reviving continuing and repealing of divers Statutes and the same referred to the Lord Chief-Justice and other Justices for their further consideration On Saturday Feb. 4. an Act for reformation of Retailing-brokers and other Pawn-takers read tertia vice An Act against the deceitful stretching and Taintering of Northern Cloaths tertiavice lect An Act for the reviving continuance explanation perfecting and repealing of divers Statutes tertia vice lect The three Bills above-mentioned sent to the Lower House of which the two latter were returned for their consideration of certain Amendments and Proviso's added by their Lordships The Proviso thought meet by the Committees on the Bill concerning the draining and recovery of certain over flown Grounds in the County of Norfolk twice read and commanded to be engrossed A Motion by the Lord Buckhurst that the County of Sussex might be added to the general Bill of surrounded Grounds The like Motion by the Lord North and others for the Counties of Somerset and Essex whereto the House assented and the said three Counties were accordingly added to the rest On Munday Feb. 6. hora secunda post Meridiem the Proviso added by the Lower House to the Bill for the confirmation of the Joynture of Christian Lady Sandis read tertia vice and thereupon the Bill expedited On Tuesday a Message from their Lordships to the Lower House delivered by Serjeant Drew and Dr. Carew for a Conference concerning a Bill against excess of Apparel with a competent number of the said House The time and place being desired to be at Two of the clock this Afternoon at the great Chamber of the Upper House of Parliament On Wednesday Feb. 8. the Bill for amendment of High-ways in the Counties of Sussex Surrey and Kent was read tertia vice and expedited On Thursday Feb. 9. at Three of the clock in the Afternoon They are dissolved Dominus Custos Magni Sigilli ex Mandato Dominae Reginae tunc dissolvit presens Parliamentum A Journal of the Passages of the House of Commons in Parliament holden at Westminster in Anno 39 Eliz. Reginae annoque Dom. 1597. begun there on Munday the 24 of Octob and Dissolved Febr. 9. Anno 40. ejusdem Reginae THe Ninth Parliament of our Soveraign Lady Elizabeth by the grace of God of England France and Ireland Queen 1597. Oct. 24. The Parliament assembles defender of the Faith c. began at Westminster upon Munday Octob. 24 in the 39th year of her Majesties Reign upon which day many of the Knights of the Shires Citizens of the Cities Burgesses of Burroughs and Barons of the Cinque-Ports did then make their appearance at Westminster being returned into the said Parliament for the same Shires Cities Burroughs and Ports before the Right Honourable the Earl of Nottingham Lord Steward of her Majesties most honourable Houshold Chuseth Serj. Yelverton for their Speaker and having authority to chuse their Speaker they made choice of Mr. Serjeant Yelverton to be their Speaker On Thursday Octob. 27. the House being set and before Mr. Speaker went up unto her Majesty in the Upper House Chancellor of the Exchequer moves that none may hereafter enter the House with Spurs on and pay the Serjeant his fees Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer moved and admonished that none of this House should after this present day enter into the House with their Spurs on for offending of others and withal that none do come into this House before they have paid the Serjeant's Fees due unto him according to the accustomed usage of this House in that case After which Mr. Speaker The Commens go to the Lords House with the greatest number of this House went towards the Upper House there to attend her Majesties pleasure and afterwards being admitted the said Mr. Serjeant Yelverton was presented before her Majesty and allowed of by her Speaker approved they return to the Lower House according to the usual form in that case accustomed And so returning to this House he was Speaker and took his place and sat in the Chair And then and there signified to this House that whereas in former times the Order was to have a Bill read before they did rise A caution given that no Bill could be read this day as was usual the same could not be so done at this time because her Majesty had in the Upper House adjourned this Parliament until Saturday next come seven-night being the fifth day of November next coming at eight of the clock in the Forenoon of the same day till which time he said all the Members of this House might depart and take their ease and so then every man went his way On Saturday Novemb. 5. the House met about eight of the clock in the Morning Which proved a mistake of the Speakers having through a mere mistake and errour of the Speaker and themselves conceived their House to have been adjourned by the Lord Keeper the first day of this Parliament unto this present day The Bill against Forestallers Regrators and Engrossers read the first time Mr. Finch shewing sundry great and horrible abuses committed by Vagrant and Idle persons offensive both to God and the world and further shewing the extream miserable estate of the Godly and honest sort of the poor Subjects of this Realm moved for a Committee of this House to be selected for redress thereof The Bill for the taking away the benefit of Clergy from Offenders against a Satute made 3 Hen. 7. concerning the taking away of Women again their wills Bill against those that take away Women against their will was read prima vice Sunday Novemb. 6. On Munday Novemb. 7. four Bills had each of them one reading the last being the Bill against Forestallers c. was upon the second reading committed unto Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer Mr. Francis Bacon the Citizens for London York Coventry Bristol and Gloucester Mr. Nathaniel
committed to the former Committees for erecting houses of Correction c. Also the Bill for setting the Poor on work was read the second time and dashed upon the third Question for the Committee and rejected upon the Question for ingrossing The Bill for relieving of the Poor out of Impropriations and other Church-livings was read the second time and after some speeches both with and against the Bill upon the doubtfulness of the double Question for the committing was upon the division of the House rejected with the difference of 29 voices with the Yea 117. and with the No 146. Three Bills were sent up to the Lords by Mr. Controuler Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer and others of which the two last were one for the establishing of the Town-lands of Wanting in the County of Berks to the relief of the Poor and the last was for a repeal of a Statute made 13 of her Majesties reign intituled An Act for the increase of Mariners and maintenance of Navigation The Bill concerning certain Lands of Sir John Spencer Kt. Dame Mary his Wife and Robert his Son was read prima vice Three other Bills had each of them one reading of which the second being the Bill for Arthur Hatch was uppon the second reading committed unto Mr. Sands Mr. Philips Mr. Finch Mr. Francis Popham Sir Robert Wroth and others who were appointed to meet on Thursday next at Two of the clock in the Afternoon in the Middle-Temple-hall On Wednesday Novemb. 23. Four Bills had each of them one reading of which the last being the Bill concerning Leases made by the Archbishops and Bishops was upon the second reading rejected upon the question for committing and so likewise upon the question for ingrossing The Bill for repealing part of the Charter granted to the Town of Yarmouth was upon the second reading committed to Sir Robert Wroth Mr. Fulk Grevil all the Burgesses of the Port-towns the Knights for Norfolk and Suffolk Mr. Nathaniel Bacon and others who were appointed to meet on Friday at Two of the clock in the Afternoon in the Exchequer-chamber On Thursday Novemb. 24. seven Bills had each of them one reading of which the last being the Bill for punishment of certain Felonies hereafter to be committed was upon the second reading committed unto the former Committees for the relief of the Poor c. and Mr. Wiseman Mr. Little and Mr. Let were added unto them and the Bill delivered to Mr. Wroth who with the rest were appointed to meet this Afternoon in the Middle-Temple-hall The Bill that Lessees many enjoy their Leases against certain Patentees in certain cases was read the first time The Bill concerning George Durant was read the third time and after many Speeches both with and against the Bill and some tending to amendments to be made in some parts of the same it was in the end deferred from being put to the Question until Saturday next upon some expectation that the parties concerned in the mean time might come to some good end among themselves without any further troubling of this House On Friday Novemb. 25. Four Bills had each of them one reading of which the last being the Bill concerning the Lands and Tenements of Sir John Spencer was upon the second reading committed unto Mr. Winch Sir Robert Wroth Mr. Rotheram Mr. Henry Yelverton Mr. Luke Sir Richard Knightley Mr. Henry Hubberd Mr. Robert Wingfield the Knights of Bedfordshire and Mr. Bourcher and the Bill was delivered to Sir Robert Wroth who with the rest were appointed to meet at the Middle-Temple-hall to morrow at Two of the clock in the Afternoon The Bill for assurance of certain Lands and Tenements unto Robert Cotton Esq was upon the second reading committed to the former Committees in the Bill concerning Sir John Spencer and at the same time and place and there were added unto them Sir John Hungerford Mr. William Cecil and others The Bill concerning the draining of certain Lands and Grounds in Norfolk was upon the second reading committed unto Mr. Nathaniel Bacon Sir Anthony Cope Mr. Henry Yelverton Mr. Henry Spilman Sir Robert Wroth and others who were appointed to meet upon Munday next at Two a clock in the Afternoon in the Exchequer-chamber The Bill for the increase of people for the service of the Realm was read the first time Mr. Secretary Cecil moved the second reading of this Bill to morrow and wished all the Members of this House to be present at the same and provided as they shall think fit to employ their endeavour and Speeches to the furtherance of the proceedings in the said Bill whereupon it was agreed that both this Bill and also that for increase of Tillage shall both of them be read to morrow On Saturday Nov. 26. four Bills had each of them one reading of which the last being the Bill for inrolling and exemplifying of Defeazances was upon the second reading committed unto Sir Edward Hobby Mr. Lieutenant of the Tower Mr. Francis Moore Mr. Edward Luknor and others who were appointed to meet on Tuesday next at two of the clock in the afternoon in the Exchequer-chamber The Bill concerning Transportation of Sheep-skins and Pelts over Seas was read the second time and committed to Sir Robert Carie the Burgesses of Newcastle Barwick Northampton and Lincoln Mr. Francis Moore and others who are appointed to meet on Tuesday next at two of the clock in the afternoon in the Exchequer-chamber The Bill for Husbandry and Tillage was upon the second reading committed to Mr. Francis Bacon Mr. Yelverton Mr. Tasborough the Citizens of all Cities Mr. Green and others who was appointed to meet on Tuesday next at two of the clock in the afternoon in this House Sunday Nov. 27. On Munday Nov. 28. two Bills had each of them one reading of which the second being the Bill for the City of Bristol was upon the second reading committed to Dr. James Mr. Francis Moore the Citizens of Bristol Gloucester Bath and Wells Mr. Green and others who were appointed to meet this afternoon at two of the clock in the Middle-Temple-hall Mr. Coombs and Mr. Henry Powle being Members of this House shewed They were this day served with a Subpoena ad testificand in the Star-chamber by Anne the wife of Thomas Wye Gent. and so moving for priviledge the Serjeant of the House was thereupon charged to bring in the said Anne to appear in this House to answer the Contempt The Bill for increase of people for the strength and defence of the Realm upon the second reading after many Speeches all tending to the good liking and furthering of the said Bill it was ordered to be committed unto the former Committees in the Bill of Tillage so with a Note of the Names of the Committees the Bill was delivered unto Mr. Controuler Mr. Atturney-General and Dr. Stanhopp brought from the Lords a Bill entituled An Act for the better explanation of a Statute made 13 Rginae cap. 4. concerning Tellers and Receivers
proceed with all Humbleness rather by Petition than Bill Mr. Wingfeild said Mr. Wingfeild I would but put the House in mind of the Proceedings we had in this Matter the Last Parliament In the End whereof our Speaker moved Her Majesty by way of Petition That the Grief touching these Monopolies might be Respected and the Grievance coming of them might be Redressed Her Majesty answered by the Lord-Keeper That She would take care of these Monopolies and our Griefs should be Redressed If not She would give us free Liberty to Proceed in making a Law the next Parliament The Wound Mr. Speaker is still Bleeding and we grieve under the Sore and are without Remedy It was my Hap the Last Parliament to Encounter with the word PREROGATIVE But as Then so Now I do it with all Humility and wish all Happyness both unto It and Her Majesty I am indifferent touching our Proceedings whether by Bill or Petition because that therein our Grievance may follow whereby by Her Majesty may specially understand them Sir Walter Rawleigh said I am urged to Speak in two Respects Sir Walter Rawleigh The one because I find my self touched in Particular the other in that I take some Imputation and Slander to be offer'd unto Her Majesty I mean by the Gentleman that first mentioned Tynn which was Mr. Martin For That being one of the Principal Commodities of this Kingdom and being in Cornwal it hath ever so long as there were any belonged to the Dukes of Cornwal and they had special Patents of Privilege It hath pleased Her Majesty freely to bestow on Me that Privilege and that Patent being word for word the very same the Duke's is And because by reason of my Office of Lord-Warden of the Stannaries I can sufficiently inform this House of the State thereof I will make bold to deliver it unto you When the Tynn is taken out of the Mine and Molten and Refined then is every Piece containing a Hundred Weight sealed with the Duke's Seal And by reason of this Privilege which I now have he ever had the Refusal in Buying thereof for the words of the Patent are Nisi nos emere voluimus Now I will tell you That before the granting of my Patent whether Tynn were but at Seventeen Shillings and so upward to Fifty Shillings a Hundred yet the poor Workman never had but Two Shillings a week finding himself But since my Patent whosoever will work be Tynn at what price soever they have Four Shillings a week truly paid there is no poor that will work there but may and have that Wages Notwithstanding if all others may be Repealed I will give my Consent as freely to the Cancelling of this as any Member of this House Sir Francis Hastings said It is a special Honour to this Assembly to give freedom of Speech to all and howsoever some have been heretofore troubled yet I Joy to see so great Reformation that we may speak quietly and be heard peaceably every man hath not a like Sense or Judgement neither is every mans memory alike I wish that if any Gentleman that speaks of this or any other Subject as curious shall let fall any word amiss or unpleasing that it may be Attributed rather to earnestness than want of Duty This Speech proceeded in respect of Sir Walter Rawleigh's sharp Speech as also of the great Silence after it Mr. Snigg wisht a Commitment to Devise a Course Sir Robert Wroth wished a Commitment in which a Course might be devised how Her Majesty might know our Special Griefs Mr. Downall said Mr. Downall's Proposal As I would be no let or over vehement in any thing so I am not sottish or senceless of the common Grievances of the Common-wealth If we proceed by way of Petition we can have no more gratious Answer than we had the last Parliament to our Petitions Since the Parliament we have had no Reformation And the Reason why I think no Reformation hath been had is because I never heard the Cries against Monopolies greater and more vehement Mr. Johnson said Mr. Johnson's With and good Opinion of the Queen Mr. Speaker I will be very short I say only thus much I would we were all so happy That Her Majesties Gratious Self had heard but the fifth part of that that every one of us hath heard this day I think verily in my Soul and Conscience we should not be more desirous in having these Monopolies called in than She would be earnest therein her self So it was put to the Question Agreed to be Committed When the Commitment should be And agreed to morrow in the afternoon in this House On Saturday Novemb. 21. A Bill for Explanation of the Statute made 21 Hen. 8. Cap. _____ touching Loading and Unloading of Merchandize the first time Read A Bill for the Reducing of those which be Brewers within the City of London and Suburbs thereof and within Two Miles Compass of the same into the said Company of the said City A Bill to Enable Sir Anthony Maney Knight and Anthony Maney Esquire his Son to make Sale of certain Lands of John Maney his Father Deceased Read the first time A Bill for Levying of Fines with Proclamation of Lands within the County of the City of Chester put in the Sixteenth of November 1601. The Substance of the Bill is That Fines Levied before the Mayor at the Portmoot-Court should be Available and the Conusors of Fines may take by Dedimus potestat Vide 2 Edvardi 6. Cap. _____ and 21 Hen. 7. Cap. _____ A Bill for Fines with Proclamation within the County of Chester Mr. Wingfeild brought in the Bill for Dreined Grounds Sir Edward Hobby said A Gentleman a Good Member of this House Sir John Gray was Served with a Subpoena in Chancery Ad Respondendum 30 Nov. ad sectam Roberti Atkins If no Order be taken herein I think for my own Part both the House and the Privileges thereof will grow in Contempt I wish that the Serjeant may be sent for the Party and that some Exemplary Punishment may be inflicted Mr. Doyley said Mr. Speaker We spend much time which is now Precious in Disputing of Privileges and other Matters of small Impertance For my own Part I think no time should be spent herein but that a Writ of Privilege may be Granted Mr. Johnson said Mr. Speaker Our own Lenity is the Cause of this Contempt And until some special Punishment be Inflicted it will not be otherwise Mr. Francis Moore brought in the Bill touching Sir Francis Seymor Knight A Bill to avoyd the deceitful Stretching or Tentoring of Woollen Cloths Committed to the former Committees of Woollen Cloths Sir Edward Seymor's Bill was put to the Question and Ordered to be Ingrossed A Bill for the Erecting and making an Harbour or Key on the North-part of Devon in the mouth of the River Severn was read Mr. Zacharias Locke said Mr. Speaker I am not against this Bill
by your Lordships Favour no cause it should deserve the Title of Improper And I take it by your Lordships Favours it was not Preposterous For the First Matter we took should be handled was the Doubts which we Imagined your Lordships had conceived of the Bill And if your Lordships had ought else conceived I thought fit to shew your Lordships that we then came without Commission So my Lords I hope I have made it appear That the Speech was neither strange improper or preposterous But We of the Lower-House who be here Committees do beseech your Lordships that you would not conceive otherwise of Us than we deserve And your Lordships shall find Us ever ready in all Dutiful Service as coadjuting Members of one United Body the House of Parliament So after withdrawing themselves a little from the Table the Lords Whispered together and at length calling Us the Lord Treasurer said The Lords were satisfied with our Answer 〈…〉 and were very glad they found Us so Conformable by which they doubted not but we should well agree for the Conference whereby the Bill might have the better Passage Mr. Secretary Cecil answered That he was very glad their Lordships did conceive aright of them and that the Committees because they were many and would not be troublesome to them with multiplicity of Speeches had chosen for their Speakers to Satisfie their Lordships Mr. Bacon Mr. Bacon c. to manage the Conference Mr. Serjeant Harris Mr. Francis Moore Mr. Henry Mountague and Mr. Boys So the Lords called Mr. Attorney General to them who began to make Objections and Mr. Bacon answering Mr. Attorney again Objected and Mr. Serjeant Harris before he had fully ended began to answer To which Mr. Attorney said Nay Good Mr. Serjeant Leap not over the Stile before you come at it Hear me out I pray you and conceive me aright So when he had done Mr. Serjeant Answered I beseech your Lordships to hear me and that I may answer without check or Controul which I little Respect because it is as light as Mr. Attorney's Arguments And so he proceeded to answer So the Conference brake up untill the next Morning at which time the Lords said They would send us word when they were ready In the Afternoon A Bill for the Relief of Theophilus Adams Touching certain Obligations supposed to be made void by a Proviso contained in the Statute 39. Reginae cap. 22. Intituled An Act for the Establishment of the Bishoprick of Norwich and the Possessions of the same against a certain pretended concealed Title made thereunto A Bill for Reformation of Abuses in Selling and Buying of Spices and other Merchandizes A Bill that no Fair or Market should be kept on Sundayes On Saturday Decemb. 12. A Bill to confirm the Assurance of the Mannors and Farmes of Sagebury aliàs Sadgbery and Obden and other Hereditaments to Samuel Sands Esq and John Harris Gentleman and their Heirs being Ingrossed was put to the Question and was Passed A Bill for Redress of certain Abuses used in Painting A Bill about Painters and Plaisterers was moved by Sir George Moore and some others that this Bill might be let slip and the Cause referred to the Lord Mayor of London because it concerned a Controversy between the Painters and Plaisterers To which Mr. Davis Answered That the last Parliament this Bill should have Passed this House but it was referred as now desired and Bonds made by the Plaisterers for performance of the Orders made by the Lord Mayor yet all will do no Good wherefore Mr. Speaker I think it good it should be put to the Question Sir Stephen Somes stood up and desired That my Lord-Mayor might not be troubled with them but that it might be put to the Question and it seemed likely to go against the Painters But I stood up as it was putting to the Question and shewed That in the Statute of 25. Ed. 3. cap. 3. Plaisterers were not then so called but Dawbers and Mudd-Wall-Makers who had for their Wages by the day Three-Pence 〈…〉 and his Knave Three-Half-Pence so was his Labourer called they continued so until King Hen. 7th's time who brought into England with him out of France certain Men that used Plaister of Paris about the Kings Ceilings and Walls whose Statute-Labourers these Dawbers were Those Statute-Labourers learned in short time the Use of Plaister of Parts and did it for the King and increased to be many then sueing to the King for his Favor to Incorporate them who fulfill'd their desire and Incorporated them by the Name of Gipsarii which was for Clay or Mudd aliàs Morter-makers Anno 16 Hen. 7. Being no Free-Men for all their Incorporation they obtained the Kings Favourable Letters to Sir William Remington then Lord Mayor of London and the Aldermen to allow them Free-men Which was granted At which time came in Four of them and paid Ten Shillings a piece for their Freedom and in Three Years after that manner came in the Number of Twenty but they paid Four Pounds a piece for Their Freedom They Renewed their Patent in King Hen. 8's time and called themselves Plaisterers aliàs Morter-makers for the Use of Loame and Lime They made an humble Petition and Supplication after this to Sir John Munday then Lord Mayor and the Aldermen to grant them Orders for the better Rule and Government of their Company in these words We the good Folkes of Plaisterers in London of Plaister and Loame of the said City for the Redress of certain Abuses of Lath-Plaister and Loame wrought in the said Crafts c. And then had allowed unto them Search for their Company for the Use of Lath Loame and Lime In all their Incorporations at no time they had any words for Colours neither yet in their Ordnances For all they were Incorporated by the name of Plaisterers yet all King Hen. 8's time they were called Dawbers as appeareth in the accompts of the Chamber of London paid to such and such Dawbers for so many Days so much and to their Labourers so much The Plaisterers never laid any Colours in the Kings Houses nor in the Sherifs of London but this Year they wore no Livery or Cloathing the Seventeenth of King Hen. 8. They have been suffered to lay Ale-house Colours as Red-lead and Oaker and such like and so now they intrude themselves into all Colours Thus they take not only their own Work but Painting also and leave nothing to do for the Painter Painters and Stainers were two several Companies in King Edw. 3. time One for Posts and all Timber-work to Paint And the other for Painting and Staining of Cloth of great continuance both Companies were joyned into one by their own Consent and by the Consent of the Lord Mayor and Aldermen of the City The Nineteenth Year of Edw. 4. The Painters had Orders allowed them for the Use of Oyl and Colours especially named in Hen. 4's time from the Lord Mayor and City
Painters can not work without Colours their only mixture being Oyl and Size which the Plaisterers do now Usurp and Intrude into Painters have her Majesty's Letters Patents Dated Anno 24. Reginae forbidding any Artificer the Use of Colours and Oyl or Size after the manner of Painting but such as hath been or shall be an Apprentice with a Painter Seven Years at the least And where the Plaisterers do Object That the Painters do Abridge other Companies of their Colours That is most apparently untrue For Gold-smiths use Colours but not after the manner of Painting and work without Oyl or Size by enamelling Leather-sellers Colour their Leather but not after the manner of Painting but work without Oyl or Size Book-binders use Colours but neither with Oyl or Size So Cutlers use Varnishing and Gilding So Glasiers use Colours with nealing in the Oven Brick-layers use Colours but neither with Oyl nor Size and Joyners likewise do use Varnish Workmanship and Skill is the Gift of God and not one in ten proveth a Workman yet it is requisite that all such as have been brought up all the days of their life in a Trade and cannot attain to that Excellency of Skill that is required should live by the baser part of their Science when they can not attain to the better which is in working in Oyl and Size those flat Posts and Windows c. If Plaisterers be suffer'd to Paint Workmanship in Painting will decay for no Workman will keep an Apprentice Four or five Years to Practice and not able to get a Penny unless he might now and then get somewhat towards his Meat and Drink in laying of Oyl-Colours as on Posts c. Experience teacheth us now That amongst the Number of There Hundred there are not now Twelve sufficient Workmen in the City of London yet one of these Francis De Miter such was his Poverty was fain for his Releif to Wife and Children to wear upon the Lord Mayors Day a Blew Gown and a Red Cap and to carry a Torch he being Fifty Years Old One man will lay and Paint more Colours in a day than ten men can grind which grinding of Colours should be the Relief of such as cannot Attain to Workmanship and that is taken away by the Plaisterers and the poor men the Painters their Wives and Children go a Begging for want of Work Besides Painting of Cloth is decayed and not One Hundred Yards of new Painted Cloth made here in a Year by reason of so much painted Flanders pieces brought from thence So that the Painters have nothing to live on but laying of Oyl-Colours on Posts Windows c. It is a curious Art and requireth a good Eye and a stedfast Hand which the infirmity of Age decayeth quickly and then Painters go a begging Plaisterers take mony generally from the highest Personage to the lowest or meanest Cottage whose Walls must needs be made Painters take money but of a few for their delight Painters give to the Plaisterers six kind of Colours commonly used as the Bill importeth to be laid with Size and not with Oyl And for every Twenty Shillings earned with Oyl-Colours there is Ten Pound earned with Size-Colours they being every mans money These Walls The Bill passed thus Curiously Painted in former Ages the Arms so Artificially Drawn the Imagery so perfectly done do Witness our Fore-fathers Care in Cherishing this Art of Painting So I think the Bill is very reasonable and fit to pass And so it did Mr. Attorney General and Doctor Cary came from the Lords shewed Their Lordships were ready for a Conference touching the Bill concerning Patents and that they had given power to their Committees fully and finally to determine the same and desired that our Committees might come with the like Power which was granted but a great Number cried No No. A Bill for Reformation of Abuses in Buying and Selling of Spices and other Merchandizes This Bill was called the Garbling Bill It was put to the Question for the passage and the House was divided And the I I I were Ninety Five and the Noes Forty One So the Bill passed There was a Question in the House upon the Bill for the Relief of Souldiers Whether the Old Levy of Two Pence a Parish should stand or Six Pence a Parish To which Secretary Cecil moves for the poor Souldiers Mr. Secretary Cecil said The Law for the Relief of Souldiers I take to be both just and Honourable and that Misery which proceeds from Obedience Worthy to be Pitied and Relieved for their Obedience hath shewed it self even by Sacrificing their Bloods for our Goods and there is liker to be a continuance than a decay of their Miseries I dare boldly say it there is never a Souldier Relieved with such a Contribution as his Misery requireth and his Service hath deserved And therefore I think Six Pence a Parish at the least So they went to the Conference and the House sent up these Bills viz. 1. The Bill against Fairs and Markets on Sundays 2. The Bill to prevent Perjury and Subornation c. 3. The Bill to prevent Abuses in Sherifs and other Officers 4. The Bill concerning making of Hats 5. The Bill for Garbling of Spices 6. The Bill for Redress of Abuses in Painting 7. The Bill for making a Harbour or Key on the North side of Devon 8. The Bill for Assurance of certain Lands to Sandes and Harris And Mr. Secretary Cecil was intreated to deliver them unto the Lords The Bill for the Redress of Abuses and mis-employment of Goods and Lands given to Charitable Uses was Read the first time Mr. Solicitor General Fleming Moved That although the Order of the House was A Bill should not be Read twice in one morning yet in respect that this was a Bill of great Consequence he Prayed That it would please the House it might be Read again And it accordingly was And so it was by Order presently Committed Mr. Snigg said I would humbly pray the House that the Bill of Clothing which hath at length taken and laid open the Theft of England which we have so long followed with Hue and Cry I mean the Tayntor may be Read It Robs God of his Honour and us of our Clothing Mr. Browne said And I humbly present unto this House the natural Born Child of us all I mean the Bill against Transportation of Ordnance which is Amended and a Proviso added with Licence c. And I humbly pray the Amendments may be Read And the Bill put to the Question And so they were after a little Dispute and Ordered to be Ingrossed The Bill for Maimed Souldiers was Read To which Mr. Roger Owen spake shewing that he was commanded by all the Justices of the Peace for Salop to Deliver unto the House the poor Estate of the County and therefore prayed a Proviso might be added to exempt that County But it was replied to him That he went about to Deck up his