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A55630 L'Estrange a papist proved by the depositions upon oath of Miles Prance, Mr. Lawr. Mowbray, Mrs. Jane Curtis, Mr. Richard Fletcher, Mr. Joseph Bennet : taken by the Right Honourable the Earl of Essex, Earl of Clarendon, and Earl of Craven : with several animadversions upon the said depositions, in answer to Mr. L'Estrange's late pamphlets ... / by Miles Prance. Prance, Miles, fl. 1678-1689. 1681 (1681) Wing P3174; ESTC R10292 17,506 36

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say again Mr. L'Estrange did know the person was acquainted with his Offence and perhaps he judged it slight and trivial or else he did ill to engage his Friend But this Captain Eli was a Conspirator with himself deeply engaged a person that he know to be concerned with him a person that had paid Tongue several sums of money toward the carrying on the Design and therefore it became him as a Gentleman to procure Bail for his follow Conjurator Let him make a Dialogue to clear himself of this and then for Papist or no Papist when he pleases he shall have more of it in the mean time the World is to consider upon what account this Affidavit is produced There is yet behind the Examination of Mr. Richard Fletcher who swears that after some discourse Mr. L'Estrange declar'd himself to him to be a Catholick of Rome and to believe the Faith of that Church and that being ask'd whether the Pope were the head of that Church He answered he was and he hoped ere long many others would turn to that Church or to that effect As for the person that swears he is well known both in City and Country a person that lives handsomely gentielely and a great lover of that noble Science to which Mr. L'Estrange cannot be thought to bear any Spleen though for his excellency in performance he has been too unkindly reproach'd so that the world does hardly believe that Mr. Fletcher a person by his Industry so well guarded from Necessity would make such a Discord in Human Society as to swear though it were for 500 l. to the prejudice of the least Hair of Mr. L'Estrang's head Now then the Question is which the unbyassed are to believe Dick or Tom Zekiel or Ephraim Citt or Bumkin Philo-L'Estrange or Pragmaticus or Mr. L'Estrange himself with his own Lips declaring himself to be a Catholick of Rome and to believe the Faith of that Church If Mr. L'Estrange has chang'd his mind since he made this Declaration there 's no more to be said I 'le yield my Affidavit lost if not 't is a Riddle to me unless he mean such a Church of England Man as in the Reign of Henry the 7th or Queen Mary He declares one thing and protests another How to judg is a hard Case and yet me thinks there is but little Reason that he who will not believe himself should be believ'd by others What is it to me whe-Mr L'Estrange be a Papist or no And yet I cannot conceive it to be such an irrefragable Argument that a man is no Papist because he rattles the Phanaticks and exclaims with so much bitterness against the outragious Liberty of the Press He is the most improper person in the World to combat the freedom of Scribling or at least to pursue that Subject with so much virulence and bitterness of Spirit For all the world will judg that to be Self-Interest in him which would be thought real Sentiment in another On the other side nothing more prevails with me to believe the Gentleman is no Papist because I cannot conceive that any person of true Learning and Ingenuity would be of such a Mock show Gewgaw Joynted-Baby Religion that puts Divine worship to hold de la quenoville and would inforce us to deifie the Distaff with as many Titles of Honour in her Liturgie as ever the Queen of Spain had But if self-Interest happen to dazle the Sight or the Prospect of preferment better improve a mans judgment I have nothing more to say But what is it to me whether Mr. L'Estrange be a Papist or no My design is only to maintain the Truth of my Information I have sworn that I did see Mr. L'Estrange at Mass in the Queens Chappel since his Majesties happy Restauration 1660 And that I will justify though he resume a Protestation as long as from Charing-Cross to Milend-Green For if he will not believe his own Lips I must and will believe my own Eyes He says indeed I could not say I saw him Receive 'T is very right for I saw no such thing and therefore because I swore no more then I saw 't is the fairer Argument that what I swore was the Truth But what says Ephraim my Beloved Why Ephraim says that I should say that I would swear I had seen him forty times at Mass But you see my Beloved that Ephraim was unkind in his Report He was a false Brother and strayed from the Truth But what if Ephraim had heard it 't was onely a report and no more than what Mr. L'Estrange himself tells the world in his Appeal onely that the Number differs viz. That I should say in company That I would swear I had seen Him at Mass above a hundred times By which the world may see that Mr. L'Estrange was more Afraid than Hurt But I would fain know what 't is to the purpose what Ephraim reports or what he by his Eeves-droppers is assured of when the Oath it self appears and puts all Reports and Hear-says out of doors Why then to unfold the Mystery they were only Attaques of Disparagement one of the most prudent waies in the world to undermine and blow up a Testimony To which purpose Ephraim the Cunning layes another Train and tells Zekiel the Suttle that he was rounded in the Ear that I had Ten Witnesses in a readiness to make good my proof A Reproach which wherever it takes fast hold spreads it self and eats into the Reputation of a Testimony like Oil of Spike spilt upon Deal Boards This Ephraim I perceive was like all the rest of the world nothing refin'd by his Baptism easie to believe any thing that made for his Advantage But now who can blame Harris or Gay for writing and publishing ridiculous Fables when the person that finds fault shall publish upon Ephraim's being barely Rounded in the Ear such trivial stuff as this which onely denotes the want of better Defence For I would know if Mr. L'Estrange were to be try'd upon the single Issue seen at Mass or not seen at Mass and I should come and swear as I do that I had seen him at Mass so many times whether Reports and Hear-sayes and Roundings in the Ear that I would swear this or that which I did not hear would acquit him For if I thinks and as I remembers and as I believes will not be admitted into an Oath which must be absolute as mine is certainly Hear-sayes and Reports and Roundings in the Ear will be as little admitted in the Defence So that in my Opinion Ephraim's Intelligence was not at that time worth the Coffee he gave for it though it were but one Dish But now Ephraim comes to the particulars of the Report and sayes Ten in number pray Gentlemen give me leave to consider a little Well I have done it and I must faithfully declare to the world that I do not know of any Store Ponds that I have for any such