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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A19884	An apologeticall reply to a booke called an ansvver to the unjust complaint of VV.B. Also an answer to Mr. I.D. touching his report of some passages. His allegation of Scriptures against the baptising of some kind of infants. His protestation about the publishing of his wrightings. By Iohn Davenporte BD.	Davenport, John, 1597-1670.	1636 (1636)	STC 6310; ESTC S119389	275,486	356

appoyntment of the rest one of them translated it into latine which was sent to me and now is by him out of latine translated into English Now that the Reader may see how much he is abused by this false translation of that wrighting I will publish 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the very wrighting it selfe verbatim without alteration of a syllable as I received it from them and then compare this translation with it The Latine copy word for word Nos infra-scripti Pastores Ecclesiae Belgicae in civitate Amsteldamensi a viro Reverendo D. Pageto fideli pastore in Ecclesiâ Anglicanâ ejusdem civitatis nec non a venerandis fratribus Senioribus ac Diaconis ejusdem Ecclesiae Anglicanae specialiter requisiti ac fraternè rogati ut privatum nostrum judicium in causa vocationis quae ab universâ Ecclesiâ praedictâ videtur expeti Reverendi Clarissimi Doctissimique viri D. DAVENPORTII sincerè declarare atque exponere non recusemus idque in casu illo unico particulari spectante Baptismum eorum infantium qui in Ecclesiâ Anglicanâ baptizandi offeruntur Re totâ utrinque benè intellectâ ritè perpensâ et ad normam Verbi Dei ordinemque receptum in Ecclesijs Reformatis harum Provinciarum in quibus praedicta Ecclesia Anglicana sese membrum profiretur sub Classe Amsteldamensi probè examinatâ sincerè ac coram Deo in bonâ conscientiâ responsum damus atque declaramus Nihil magis nobis in votis esse quam ut praedictus D. Davenportius cujus insignis eruditio et singularis pietas ab omnibus fratribus Anglicanis apprime probatur laudaturque quemque hoc ipso nomine nec non ob alias virtutes ejus laudabiles etiam ipsi D. Pageto charissimum esse intelligimus ad ministerium Ecclesiae Anglicanae praedictae legitime promoveatur Bonum insuper ipsius Zelum ac studium de parentum ac susccptorum istorum liberorum praeuiô aliquô examine privatô in religione Christianâ instituendô quam maximè quidem nobis probari de re ipsâ tamen ita nos statuere ut praedictum illud examen quantum Ecclesiae Anglicanae feret aedificatio instituatur sed si fortè vel parentes susceptoresve istud accedere ac subire renuant vel ob temporis brevitatem aut alijs justis de causis fieri illud non queat vel etiam qui accesserint fratris vel fratrum examinantium judicio non videbuntur pro isto tempore satisfacere ipse infans cujus parentes susceptoresve constat esse Christianos quique Christianam religionem ad lectionem liturgiae Sacramenti Baptismi publicè coram Ecclesia profitentur a Baptismo propterea minime arceatur aut baptizarì recusetur sed ut ejusmodi ignorantes parentes susceptoresve post infantem baptizatum ulterĭus postea quoad fieri potest edoceantur quoniam scilicet infantes Christianorum suorum parentum susceptorumve vel inscitiam vel etiam ejusmodi inobedientiam ferre ac luere non debent Si quis tamen casus ullus alius obveniat quo minus infans oblatus baptizandus videatur ut tum totius presbyterij Anglicani vel etiam si necesse fuerit aut commodè fieri possit Classis Amsteldamensis judicium interveniat audiatur atque in eo acquiescatur Sic actum et transactum in aedibus D. Pageti Die 20. Ianuarij 1634. Ioannes le Mairius Iacobus Triglandius Henricus Geldorpius Rudolphus Petri. Iacobus Laurentius 2. The translation word for word We the underwritten Ministers of the Dutch Church in the citty of Amsterdam being specially and lovingly requested and desired of the Reverend Mr. PAGET a faithfull Pastour i● the English Church of the same city as also the the Reverend brethren the Elders and Deacons of the same English Church that we would not refuse sincerely to declare shew our private judgment about the calling of the Reverend most famous learned Mr. DAVENPORT which seemes to be desired of the whole Church aforesaid and that in this particular case alone concerning the Baptisme of those infants which are offered to be baptised in the English Church having well understood and duely weighed the whole matter on both sides and having throughly examined it according to the rule of Gods word and the order received in the Reformed Churches of these Provinces in which the aforesaid English Church doth professe it selfe a member under the Classis of Amsterdam we doe sincerely and in the presence of God with good conscience answer and declare that we desire nothing more then that the foresaid Mr. DAVENPORT whose notable learning and singular piety is much approoved and commended of all the English our brethren whom also in this regard and for his other commendable gifts we understand to be most deare unto Mr. PAGET may be lawfully promoted unto the Ministry of the English Church aforesaid we doe also greatly approove of his good Zeale and care of having some precedent private examination of the parents and sureties of these children in the Christian Religion yet touching the matter it selfe we doe so judge that this aforesaid examination be ordained so farr as may stand with the edification of the English Church but if haply the parents or sureties shall refuse to come and undergoe this examination or if for the shortnes of time or for other just causes it can not be done or if those that doe come shall not seeme for that time to satisfye the judgment of the Brethren one or more that doe examine them that yet the infant whose parēts sureties are manifest to be Christiās which publickly before the Church doe professe Christian Religion at the reading of the leiturgie of the Sacrament of Baptisme shall not therefore be excluded or deprived thereof but that such ignorant parēts sureties be further instructed after the infāt be baptised to wit because the infāts of Christiās ought not to beare suffer the punishmēt of the ignorance or yet of such disobedience of their parēts or sureties If yet any other case fall-out whereby it may seeme that the infant presented should not be baptised that then the judgment of the whole English Presbytery or also if need be and if conveniently it may be done that the judgment of the Classis of Amsterdam be obtayned and rested in So was it done and transacted in the house of Mr. PAGET the 28. day of Ianuary 1634. Here it must be noated that the Answerer pretendeth to publish this wrighting 1. So as it was done and transacted in his house the 28. day of Ianuary 1634. 2. So as it was written downe and read before him when they enquired of him whether he for his part did rest therein and he signifyed his consent with them These things being premised J demand by what pretence will the Answerer defend or excuse this his translation Let me without offence desire to know why he hath translated quorum parentes susceptoresve constat esse Christianos whose parents and suretyes are

thereupon much bitternes in terrifying menaces was expressed against me in publick audience This I only mention to shew the cause of my staying in these parts 2. Being thus hindred from returning to England my family also being with me in Amsterdam I was willing to be as proffitable as I might to others without giving just offence to any For this end being requested by the Master of the family where I sojourned I set a convenient time apart every Lords day about 5 a clock in the afternoone which was above an houre after the sermon was ended in the English Church to catechise boath our familyes upon such grounds of Divinity as I collected from the Scriptures which I opened and applyed to them To this excercise at first few came afterwards more coming to the knowledge of it more resorted the greatest number for ought I have heard which at the most have bene observed to be present at it exceeded not 80 persons It is true that as the number increased some formes were provided for them to sit upon to save the chayres stooles from hurt I had the lesse cause of suspicion that this would be offencive seing it hindred none from the publick ordinances which my selfe and all the rest frequented constantly and seing almost as great a number had resorted to a like excercise at the same houre in a private family with the Answerers approbation formerly But now the case was altered and the Answerer raysed causeles jealousyes Sect. 21. line 14. 14 concerning this course as if it had bene the beginning of some Sect. But most injuriously as not only his owne pen declareth in the following Section but also those that heard can testifye from the wholl scope of that exercise which was to arme them against the danger of being carryed away by the errours of Sectaryes and the open carriage of it manifesteth For not only the Elders and Deacons would have shewed their dislike if any such sinister courses had bene attempted as their place required but also those who came as spyes and we knew to be such yet excluded none would have disclosed it to the Answerer and divulged it to the world Yea and myne owne conscience knoweth that one mayne incouragement of my upholding that private excercise was that thereby a rent in the Church might be prevented and the publick peace preserved whilest the members were somewhat quieted and contented with that helpe in private which was denyed them in publick and myne owne heart is privy to my intendments at that time of doing the best offices I could for the quiet setling of a faythfull man in the publick worke if Gods providence should offer one unto them whilest I stayed with them that so peace and concord might be wrought between the Pastor and people if it might be before my departure thence This was my intent And the event shewed that J was not wholly mistaken in my conjecture as will be evident to him that shall compare the carriage of matters whilest I lived among them with the accidents that happened since Yet when I perceived that the Answerer tooke such offence at this exercise I desisted before any spake with Mr. Wh from the Classis but with me none of them ever spake about it Thus J may say with him in Aristophanes 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 For doing well I suffer ill But the servant is not above his Lord. His Answer to the 21. Section examined concerning some of the members withdrawing themselves from the Lords supper AS one absurdity usually followes another so was it with the Answerer in penning this treatise For having taken liberty to cast the suspicion of all other miscarriages which have happened in others upon me though most injuriously he now continueth the same noate saying that howsoever I doe mislike speake against Seperation and Schysme and reprove the same yet can I not altogether cleare my selfe of being some occasion of Division amongst them whilest I maintaine such practises so different from them Ans 1. It is well that his pen doeth cleare me from inclining to Schysme or Seperation whose tongue hath unjustly raysed suspicions thereof against me in the minds of some Yea that his owne hand wrighting in this Section Sect. 2. and 10. hath cleared me of those contrary aspersions and imputations by himselfe cast upon me and written and printed against me in other Sections 2. What need is there that I should goe about to cleare my selfe from that which is not a fault For if to be some occasion of division among men by maintaining a practise different from others be blame-worthy then Paul and Barnabas were to be blamed for that practise of theyrs different from those beleivers who held that it was needfull to be circumcised after the manner of Moses Act 15. 〈◊〉 c. For the text sayth they had no small dissention and disputation with them So were Paul and Silas who were accused at Philippi before the Magistrates as exceeding troublers of the citty for teaching customs Act. 16.20.21 which were not lawfull for them to receive being Romans At Thessalonica Iason other brethren are accused to be those that turne the world upside downe Nor can it be denyed that Paul was some occasion of that great stirr and uprore Act 17.6 which arose in Ephesus whereby the wholl citty was filled with confusion And howsoever he laboured by all concord with them in things lawfull to injoy peace at Ierusalem as by purifying himselfe c. Act 19.23 Act 21.26.28.29 30. yet upon a causeles jealously of his bringing Greekes into the Temple because they saw Trophimus with him in the citty whom they supposed that Paul had brought into the Temple the wholl citty was moved and of this commotion Paul could not altogether cleare himselfe of being some occasion by maintaining some practises so different from the Iewes 3. The Answerer seemeth to insinuate somewhat against my journey out of towne two or three dayes before the time of administration of the Lords supper wherein he sayth I was accompanied with some members of the Church who as he heard did goe with me and leave the communion this he sayth gave great occasion of strife other offence to the Church was a course tending to Schysme Repl. 1. For the complanants who he sayth seperated themselves at that time some of them whom he examined whether they had advise with me about it have cleared me fully in their answer and the rest are able and ready to doe the like Who would thinck that against so ample testimony the Answerer should have the boldnes to accuse me so unjustly for that 2. His accusation of me for my journey out of the Citty at that time is as injurious as that For the case which caused my travayle at that time would have constrained me thereunto at any other time as well as that it being necessary for the helpe of a painfull Minister who being very