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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
city_n	bishop_n	church_n	rome_n	9,289	5	7.3911	4	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A48362	A reply to the Answer made upon the three royal papers	Dryden, John, 1631-1700.; Leyburn, John, 1620-1702.	1686 (1686)	Wing L1941; ESTC R9204	29,581	64

can be any such Command and by consequence no Injury is offered to our Senses no reproach to the Church His next offer is at a Clip to the Royal Stamp and because he says 't is with Submission I presume it to be unadvised for whereas the Kings Paper runs thus that none can be that Church but that which is called the Roman-Catholic Church he snips off I know not how this word Catholic and so restrains the Kings meaning to the particular Church or Diocess of Rome this must be confessed not to be the best way of examining the King's Coin for tho' by this term Roman sometimes all Churches in Communion with the Church of Rome be signify'd yet by the Parallel made betwixt the whole and the part he is convinced not to have meant so To requite then his Parallel 't is as visible that the word Roman is not Roman-Catholic as that one word is not two as to the Corruption with which in general Terms he aspersed the Roman Church since 't is as invisible as the Proofs he brings to justify the Charge I shall pass it by After it was settled That Christ can have but one Church upon Earth and that this is that Church we profess to believe in the two Creeds He thus subsumes But if those who made those Creeds for our Direction had intended the Roman-Catholic Church why was it not so expressed how came it to pass that such a Limitation of the Sense of Christ's Catholic Church to the Roman should never be put to persons to be baptized in any Age of the Church My first Answer shall be ad hominem by retorfion If the Apostles intended we should believe that Christ was Consubstantial to his Father or that Hereticks were not to be re-baptized why did they not insert it into their Creeds If the Apostles and Nicene Fathers after them intended we should believe the duality of Wills and unity of Persons in Christ how did it escape both their Creeds I believe we shall jump upon the same Solution which is that none of these Doctrines were questioned in those days no Hereticks had opposed them and therefore there was no need of decision this being the Province of General Councils in framing their Creeds Let 's see if this will square to my purpose Catholic and Roman-Catholic-Church in the Language of Antiquity was one and the same thing saving when the particular Church or Diocess of Rome was expressed which being so and the point never call'd in question in the first and best days of the Church when those Creeds were to be published what great surprize is it that the word Roman should not be comprized in any of their Creeds Or that it was not enter'd into the ancient Formulary or Ceremonies of Baptism so venerable to after ages and of which they have ever been most tenacious I have engaged Antiquity for the Roman-Catholic side let 's see whether she will stand by me and let Tertullian lead the Van who well understood the Language both of his own and the foregoing Age. Speak then Tertullian what thou knowest of Marcion's pecunary Oblation in Rome to the Roman Church Marcion says he gave his money to the Catholic Church which was rejected when he fell into Heresie Tertul. contra Marcion lib. 4. cap. 4. See how easily it dropt from his Pen to stile the Roman Church the Catholic Church What 's now the sense of St. Cyprian the mouth of the African Church to Antonianus You writ that I should send a Copy of the Letters to Cornelius Bishop of Rome to the end that he might understand that you communicate with him that is to say with the Catholic Church Cypr. lib. 4. epist. 2. And if it be the same to communicate with the Pope as it is with the Catholic Church then clearly the Roman and Catholic Church are one and the same St. Ambrose in his Funeral Oration upon his Brother Satyrus relates this passage of Satyrus that coming into a City polluted with Heresie he demands of the Bishop of the place whether he was in Communion with the Catholic Bishop that is with the Church of Rome St. Ambros. Orat. funeb So that in the phrase of that time communion with the Catholic Church and Church of Rome nothing differ'd John of Constantinople to Hormisda Pope writes thus We promise hereafter not to recite in the Sacred Mysteries the names of those who have separated themselves from the Catholic Church that is to say who agree not fully with the See Apostolic Tom. 3. Concil Edit Binii inter Epist. Hormisdae By this we may see the stile of old times Nay it was so familiar to use promiscuously the word Roman for Catholic that the very Arians as the Protestants now do called the Catholics by the name of Romanists Victor of Utica brings in Jocundus an Arian thus arguing with King Theodorick If thou put Armogastus to death the Romanists will proclaim him a Martyr Victor Utic lib. 2. de persec Vandal And Gregory of Tours recounts of an Arian King who seeing a miracle wrought by a Catholic concludes that this was a device of the Romanists Since therefore in the vulgar Speech and Records of old days Roman and Catholic are Synonima the King had much reason to declare That none could be that Church but that which is called the Roman-Catholic-Church And a rational account is given why the word Roman was not expressed in the two Creeds nor in the Ritual of Baptism From the Church of Rome's not denying the validity of Baptism to those who are out of her Communion he urges thus From whence it is to me as visible as that the Scripture is in print that the Church of Rome it self doth not believe that she is the one Catholic Church mentioned in the Creeds This is very pleasant it is a fixed principle that there is but one Church Catholic and the Church of Rome by a thousand Declarations takes it upon her self to be that one Church and yet it must be as Visible to this Gentleman as that the Scripture is in print that the Church of Rome doth not believe her self to be that ōne Catholic Church mention'd in the two Creeds what can he offer to justifie so strange a Paradox For then says he it must void all Baptism out of its communion which it hath never yet done But what greater necessity is there for the Church of Rome to void Baptism given out of her Communion then for the Catholic Church Or if the Catholic Church doth not make it void what can oblige the Church of Rome to do it The Reply is That Baptism enters persons into the Catholic Church who though they be out of the Communion of the Roman Church yet having the true form of Baptism are Members of the Catholic Church But I beseech him if Baptism enters Men into the Catholic Church doth not Heresie Apostacy or Insidelity cast them out of the Catholic Church as well