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A85243 Festered consciences new launced: or, tith-paying defended against William Westup and Thomas Puckle Penned by way of an epistle to every one, who had rather disburden his purse then burden his conscience. By Hierophilus, a young fencer. Havighurst, Johannes, b. 1701. 1650 (1650) Wing F828; ESTC R229586 22,857 29

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phancies and perverse opinions For first how can this place of Scripture be alledged for abolishing of Tithes when as Christ after that approves of them Luke 11.42 And if Tithes are Morall as they have not as yet disproved certanely it was not the intention of Christ now to appoint a mintenance for his Ministers but to leave Tithes rather after the vayle of the Temple should be rent in twayne as a due maintenance to them for Tithes being assigned by God for a time to the Levitical Priesthood the Lord Christ who came to establish the Law would not afore the expiration of their terme take them from them But secondly why doe they not as well argue in respect of Apparell that Ministers ought to weare no Scrip or shoe That chapter will as strongly proove that as what they would prove out of it but they J s●e are loath trading should faile in that respect their owne interest being too much concerned in it J am sure if they may have their wills the Ministers shall have neither Scrip or shoe or any thing else But 3. was it the intention of the Lord Christ that all his Ministers should be altogether Peripatotickes travailing from City to city without any abiding place living wholly at other mens tables Surely J thinke not be pleased to looke into Titus 1.5 And ye may see that Elders were to be ordained in every City God will have fixed starres in his Church and every Bishop must be such an one as ruleth his owne house well 1 Tim. 3.4 Therefore surely he may have an house of his owne And J pray resolve me another question if such a free contribution be only the maintenance that a Bishop ought to have how can he be given to hospitality Or where is any maintenance at all appointed by our Saviour Christ in that 10 of Luke For his wife and children Was it his intent they should be starved It is lawfull enough for him to marry 1 Tim. 3.2 J pray consider these things heere are two chargeable duties imposed upon a Minister the one is that he be given to Hospitality which never any Almes-man could well be the other is that he provide for his Family unlesse ye will have him worse then an Infidell These things may be done with the peoples free contribution when mine eyes see it J shall believe it Let me but instance in the poore mans case which God ownes for his to whom he have commanded Charity to be enlarged yet how is the Magistrate often enforced to wring out of many mens purses diminutive livelyhood for him and his family and doe ye then think it will come in so freely to the Ministers Surely ye are mistaken Let me compare one Scripture more with your afore-cited place and see how they agree 1 Cor. 9.14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the Gospell should live of the Gospell Certainly if ye marke well these words even so have no reference to your recited place from whence ye should draw your way of maintaining Ministers J take it otherwise and that this so have not an unlimitted exposition but declares a certainty of maintenance that the Lord have appointed and ordained for his Gospell-Ministers Doe but consult with the context and ye shall see how the Apostle proves a certaine maintenance to be due to Gospell-Ministers from a similitude his meaning is evident to be this as they that Ministred about holy things and served at the Altar had certaine maintenance even so God have ordained that Ministers of the Gospell should have a certaine maintenance Now J pray did the Priests and Levites live upon the free contribution of the people Your arguments prove their allotted portion then certainely it ought to be so with the Ministers for God have ordained it so and therefore it is no sin for the Magistrate to ordaine it so J remember the Pope was once very bountifull to the King of France and did give England to him but for all that he was to conquer it afore he could have it doe ye thinke God gives his Ministers their maintenance thus yee would make his Gift which hee have made absolute to bee conditionall that God have ordained a maintenance for Ministers yet it must be alwayes provided that ye will pay it them J conceive the ordinances of God are more valid then to depend upon the wills of men for what he commands it is your duty to pay and the Magistrate to enforce They further proceed having thus granted their owne argument without proofe to raise an Objection But some may say how if the people will contribute nothing And they answer it as wisely that it signifie to them that their Ministry and Doctrine is much to bee questioned that it works no better effects and fruits This is full of reason but it is to prove the Church of Rome the true Church where are sufficient effects this way of its Ministry all Seducers may well argue thus because commonly they have most followers Aarons golden Calfe wanted nothing that the people could afford Exod. 32.3 But it is otherwise rather with the true Ministers of Christ though the Corinthians were the seale of Pauls Apostleship yet hee did not find this effect of his Ministry amongst them 1 Cor. 9. and 4. Peter did catch many Fish but J read but of one that came up with money in its mouth the entertainment that the world gives to the Ministers proves neither Pro nor con CHRIST tels his Disciples that hee sent them out as Lambs amongst Wolves but by your argument if yee see a Lambe worried by a Wolfe yee will therefore judge it is no Lambe new-vaumped Errours had need be better stitched Further to illustrate this they say Christ made no question but that where his Doctrine was received his Ministers should have maintenance nor doe J neither for J suppose if Morality teacheth men to allow maintenance to the Minister Divinity much more But to answer their answer more fully all this time they take no notice of tha● effect the Ministry have wrought upon this Common-wealth in tha● our Parliaments which are the Body representative of the Republick and in whose Acts by our Law every one is and ought to be a party have with an unanimous suffrage given freely to them of their Carnals that administer to them of their Spirituals yee will allow the Magistrate to raise maintenance for other uses and why not for this the more pious the use is it the more to bee condemned J hope y●● have not taken measure of John of Leydons foot who called himselfe King of Sion but it may bee feared ye will be as high in the in-step as other Anabaptists have been before you Your next ayme as J conceive is to prove the quite annulling of a Duty because it was dispensed with by the Apostle Paul and others in times of Persecution and in the infancie of the Church that there might be no scandall