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A13168 The examination of M. Thomas Cartvvrights late apologie wherein his vaine and vniust challenge concerning certaine supposed slanders pretended to haue bene published in print against him, is answere and refuted, By Matthevv Sutcliffe. Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629. 1596 (1596) STC 23463; ESTC S120443 107,902 121

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THE EXAMINATION OF M. THOMAS CARTVVRIGHTS late apologie Wherein his vaine and vniust challenge concerning certaine supposed slanders pretended to haue bene published in print against him is answered and refuted By MATTHEVV SVTCLIFFE Calumniari est falsa crimina intendere Marcianus L. 1. ff ad S.C. Turpilianum ¶ Imprinted at London by the Deputies of Christopher Barker printer to the Queenes most excellent Maiestie Anno 1596. TO M. THOMAS CARTwright Master of the Hospitall at Warwike giue these in the I le of Gernesey or els where hee shal be then resiant ALthough Sir many of your good friends and folowers haue both long looked and much desired to heare from you yet I doe assure my selfe they looked for nothing lesse then to receiue from you such a slender and trifling pamphlet as this which goeth vnder the name of your apologie they expected rather to see those famous obseruations of yours which you haue written against the Rhemish annotations vpon the new Testament which they esteeme so highly or els some such like notable learned laborious worke against the cōmon enemie I for my part when I first heard that your name was once againe come in print and that ye had now at length broken your long kept silence looked at the least for some 1 Tanquam elephanti partum great and learned volume in defence of that cause for which you haue so much practised and so long and vehemently contended and which you were wont so highly to magnifie I did well remember how you promised that for 2 In the front of his first reply Syons sake you would not holde your peace nor for Hierusalems sake take any rest as if this matter of your forged discipline were your onely Syon and that holy Hierusalem for which you contended you tolde vs further and that I thinke in very good sadnesse that 3 1. reply if euery haire of your head were a life you ought to afford them al for the defence of your cause You affirmed also that your discipline 1 Preface 1. reply is agreat part of the Gospell that it is a 2 1. and 2. reply matter of faith and an essentiall note of the Church that the Church without it is like a garden 3 Pref. 1. reply without a hedge nay finally 4 M. Cartwr table that it is Christes kingdome vpon the earth I could not therefore thinke otherwise but that now you had vndertaken the defence and accomplishment of that most glorious and necessary worke Neither could I imagine that 5 1. Thess 2. contrary to the Apostles example you would seeke for glory at mens handes or els like the princes of the Iewes 6 Iohn 12. esteeme more the praise of men then the glory of God and to come neerer you that you would abandon the defence of your Syon yea and of your holy citie Hierusalem and would suffer your hedge to go downe and your Church to lye waste and plainely would renounce a great part of the Gospell and of your new faith and all this to talke 7 The argument of M. Cartwrights booke of the vse of money and purchases of land and Hackets and Copingers matters and your owne fancifull opinions and vaine praises Yea and all that haue heard of your fame expected farre other matters then this short pamphlet like two ballades stitched together at your handes and not only expected but also desired and wished that if needes you would take penne in hand you would trauaile in your former cause rather then in this priuate quarrell betwixt your selfe and me and that also was my earnest desire not that I would haue that fire stirred which once you had kindled and is now either quenched or well couered but that I hoped that by your defence all men should clearely see first the nakednesse and weakenesse of your cause which with no eloquent gloses you could couer nor with pretence defend and next that the same is not ouerborne by authoritie as some beare men in hand but reiected repelled and despised as a new forged deuise repugnant to al antiquitie to all iustice to al reason and trueth As for this your apologie or briefe answere as you call it it satisfieth no mans expectation or desire as I thinke if you respect the principall cause it is altogether impertinent if you seeke to iustifie and cleare your selfe you haue done iust nothing that is apparent by these particulers You deny that you did execute any part of your brother Stubbes his last will an vnkinde part you must needes confesse especially if he requested you or meant to put you in trust but what is that to the matter that you haue dealt in the execution of my Lord of Leycesters will concerning the stocke of his Hospital you cannot deny Likewise most apparent it is that you haue dealt how wel I know not in diuers other ciuil causes which is sufficient to make that cause good for which I alledged that argument You say also that you haue not three or foure mannours and percase you are sorie for it but what apperteineth that to your eldership I trust you meane not if you had them to conuey them ouer to some friends in trust for maintenance of a learned ministery for want of which your consorts pretend to bee so much offended Neither is the want of land or fee any blemish to your credit for many very honest and learned men haue not so much as one quarter of your reuenues you tell vs that you leant not 300. li. to Francis Michel but only 200. pound and yet neither is greatly material whether it be rather then you would loose either 200. or one hundred pounds you would percase wish you had neuer spoken worde for your consistorie you take it in euill part that I should cal the Hospital whereof you are master your Hospitall and yet is the speach common and no harme meant not is it any aduantage to your cause whether it be called my Lord of Leycesters Hospital or your hospitall if so be you might haue had your foolish course many learned men would not haue bene so wel mainteined as the poore of your Hospital Such like be your complaints where you take your selfe charged to be a man that hath strange conceites concerning extemporall prayers and working of miracles neither of these matters apperteine to your consistorial gouernment nor greatly touch you in reputation Your acquaintance with Copingers causes and allowance of Martins libels I confesse are foule matters and touch you in your reputation yet doe they concerne the consistoriall cause but litle Besides this albeit your principall drift in this your apologie was to cleare your selfe of all notes of disloyaltie and lewd opinions and lewd practises yet haue you done none of these nay in those matters that concerne Stubbs his will the purchase of lands and lending of money wherin you seeme to haue most aduantage you do but trifle