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A09147	The Protestants theologie containing the true solutions, and groundes of religion, this daye mainteyned, and intreated, betwixt the Protestants, and Catholicks. Writen, by the R. F. F. VVilliame Patersoune religious priest, Conuentuall of Antwerpe, preacher of Gods word, and Vicar generall of the holy order of S. Augustin, through the kingdome of Scotland. The 1. Part.	Paterson, F. William.	1620 (1620)	STC 19461; ESTC S101863	199,694	338

whosoeuer is separated frō this bowels of the Church of necessity he must speake false I say of necessity he must speake false who eyther would not be conceaued or eyther of the mother is made abortiue being once conceaued Which Church Serm ad Catachum cap. 20. He calleth a true mother a godly mother a chast spouse garnished with the dignitye and riches of hir husband not in outward showe by lying deceipt but in veritie which cannot erre And if the prelates of the Church may err consequently the whole Church may err for the people are bound to follow their pastors Mat. 23. v. 3. from whence then is the protestants Church seing the Church is inuisible and hath erred c. OBIECTION IT is written say they the kingdome of God shall not come with obseruation Luc 17 neither shall they say behold here or behold there Luc. 17 v. 21 Therfore the Church which is thè kingdome of God is inuisible and may not be seen ANSVVER IN the same chapter answer is made saying behold the kingdome of God is within yow or amonge yow for in the obiection Christ repelles the vaine opinion of the Pharisies who thought the kingdome of God to haue his beginninge with obseruation of worldly pompe with triumph and publique coronation after the maner of worldly princes makeing his residence in a certaine place of the kingdome He answers them that the Messias shall not reigne that maner of way but in such maner as he hathe begunne to wit in the hartes of men and in his church which then consisted in his Apostles and disciples which in another place he verifieth saying Blissed are the poore in spirit for theirs is the kingdome of God Luc. 6. v. 20. as though he would say yow ar members of the kingdome of God with peace without worldly tumultes and triumphes from which the riche Pharisies are far of Lykewyse S. Pet. 1. epi. cap. 2. v. 5. sayes The Church is a spirituall house to wit not according to the inuisible substance as angells or soules c. Neither sayes he that the Churche consisteth of grosse materialls but of consecrated and sanctified men to God vnited in one body and mynd as was the multitud of belieuers in the dayes of the Apostles OBIECTION Yow haue not come to the mount that may not be touched and to the burninge fyre Hebr. 12. v. 18. 22. But yow haue come to the mount Sion the citie of the liuing God Therfore the Church is not visible for that the citie of the liueing God is not visible ANSVVER THe Apostle in this place denyeth not the visibilitye of the Church but discrybes the beautie of the triumphant Church in calling it heauenly Ierusalem vnto which it is sayd the faithfull haue to approche by faith and hope not that there are two Churches seing that it is all one but builded with diuerse estates to wit perfect and imperfyt vnto which perfection the militant doth labour in faith and hope whill she come to that beauties ende which is descrybed in heauen OBIECTION THose thinges which are belieued ar not seen but in the Creed VVe belieue the holy Catholik Church and therfor the Church being belieued is inuisible ANSVVER MAny things are belieued which notwithstanding are seen as Christ was seen with mans eyes and yet he is belieued the Messias and God and this he proues him self Iohan. 20. v. 29. saying Because thou hast seen me Thomas thou hast belieued ergo Christ was seen and belieued Lykewise in baptisme we see water and the application there of with the prolation of wordes and yet notwithstāding the vertue of the Sacramēt which we see not is effected which is that original synne is takē away iustifying grace is infused a character is impressed in the soule none of these are seen and yet faith belieues them for in all these things there is some things seen and other things belieued euen so in the Church we see with our eyes a company of men professing themselfes Christianes vnder the gouernment of a head but that that company is the very trew Church of Christ we belieue so that some things are seen and some things belieued Is therfore the article of our beliefe to be abolished and to say I see and suppose the Catholik Church and deny to say I belieue the Catholik Church this article conteineth many things more proper to faithe then reason because we see not the elect neither do we know them and yet we firmly belieue them to be in this company as lykewise we belieue this company and Church to be ruled of the holy ghost and yet we see him not and to be without error the piller and ground of veritie and in this Church only to be remission of synnes iustification the infusion of grace hope of eternall lyf the holy scripture and hir true interpretation dispensation of the Sacramentes and the true preaching of Gods word and out of this company and holy Church no mortall man can attain to the fauor of God or eternall saluation all these ar belieued and ar not seen nor known ergo the Church is visible OBIECTION ADam and Eua haue synned therefor the whole visible Church which consisteth in these two persones hath failled and erred Ergo ANSVVER ADam and Eua were not the Church but hir begining neither erred they in teachinge of false doctrine but as priuat persones doing euill or thinking euill OBIECTION IN the tyme of Isai and other Prophetes of the old Testament it appeared to haue failled for Isai sayes 1. cap. v. 3. That Israel hath not known me and in the 6. v. he sayes that from the soale of the foote to the crown of the head there is no whole place Lykewise Hier. 2. v. 29. Ye haue left me sayth the Lord. Et Psal 13. v. 3. All haue declyned and are made altogether vnprofitable there is not one who doth good there is not one VVherupon we gather both the Church to be inuisible and to haue erred ANSVVER ALbeit the whole Church of the Iewes in the tyme of Elias or at any other tyme hath failed which I graunt not notwithstāding it follow not that the Church of Christ hath failed because the Synagoge was not an vniuersall company of Gods peopl but a particular in which were many who liued holy and erred not as Melchisedech Iob Cornelius Centurio the queene of Candies Enuch and all these were found both righteous and faithfull Morouer the Prophet speaketh after the maner of Scripture by reason of the multitude of the wicked which speach passeth as an vniuersal signe how beit in truth all are not such for the mynd of the Prophet is no maner of way to affirme that all men haue falne from God absolutly but such as deny the diuyne prouidence of God saying there is no God and to be none who doth good notwithstanding a little after he declaires some to be good whom he calleth the people of God poor Iacob and Israell and

the profound doctrine of these diuynes and this is belieued for verity of their ignorantes was it not Christ sayes S. Amb. offic lib. 5. who sett Rome in so great honour Is it not Antichrist that hath set Rome in so great honour to be the see of Christ and his chief disciple Peter as it hath alwayes euer had that honorable fame to be called the seat of the Apostle of Christ Neyther was it Antichrist but Iesus Christ who made his Apostles togeather to die there and to haue a perpetuall succession of Byshops in that city without any infidelity or proffessed heresie coming betwixt the lawfull successors to this present day Neyther vvas it Antichrist but Christ who gaue the crowne of martyr-dome to thirty two Popes of Rome Moreouer did Christ prepare the way for Antichrist by the chief of his Apostles The Heretyks accuse Christ to be the setter vp of Antichrist Could God make no man foreruner of that cursed-man but the sone of God and the redeamer of the world O blasphemous tongues o wycked thoughts vnto this day how many generall counselles haue ben how many faithfull Princes and Kings what nations people vnto this tyme haueth honored Rome and the Pastor sitting in it as honor done to Christ in his Vicare The Heretiks sayes all nations haue committed spirituall whordome in honoring S. Peters see in Rome and now really is called and belieued to be Antichrist Haue all good Christians Kings and People committed fornication with Antichrist Had Christ no man els vpon whome he might haue permitted Antichrist to be builded then vpon his chief Apostle vpon whome he hath builded his Church Hath he promised that the gates of Hell shall not preuail against this foundatiō cōtrary wise Hell gates hath so preuailed that Antichrist himselse doth sit in the seat The Heretiks would say that Hell gaites haue preuealed against his Church and foundation of the Apostle Did Christ so much labour to preferre S. Peter that in the end Antichrist might haue a more honorable seat prepared for him by the labores of the Apostle for his abominable inter pryses are they worthy to be called Christians who fear not to say and teach such blasphemous doctrine and detestable speaches What ignorance In vaine is christs promis to S. Peter and vnlearned iudgment are these men of what hath bewitched and inchanted their spirits How giddy and lunatick are their heade that they should nominat the successor of the blessed Apostle Peter Antichrist who is a peculiar certayn man according to the iudgment of all writters as witnesse Hereticks haue a bewicthed and an inchanted spirit Isai n. dan. 8.9 n. Mat. 24. Ioh. 5. 2. epist cap. 2.2 Thes 2. Apoc. 13. Who is farr opposit to the Pope of Rome for the Popes are not any certayn man but their succession is the continuance of a certaine office The Popes are not oncertayn man but a cōtinuall succession in which many men haue succeeded on after an-other therefore the Popes are not neyther can be called Antichrist For as the name of Christ was giuen in old tymes to many Prophets Priests The name of Christ was comon to many in the old law and yet one Christ came so is the name of Antichrist comon to many and yet one must come and Kings who were anoynted as a figure of the truth vvhich was to be fullfylled did not hinder and lett but that there should come a certaine singular persone vvho should be the Sauiour of man-kynd in that name In lyke manner euen so the name of Antichrist being giuen to many wicked aduersaries of Christ and namely to all Heretickes doth not hinder but rather helpeth to proue that some one singular man shal come at length vvho shall surpasse all other men in setting himself against Christ and this Christ verifyeth saying to the Iewes Ioh. 5. I haue come in the name of my Father and ye receaue me not if auother come in his owne name him ye will receaue The which words the Doctors of the Church confesse to be spoken prophetically of Antichrist and makes the comparison betwixt them saying as Christ was a certayn man so shall Antichrist be a certaine man the difference is that Christ is from God The differēce betwen Christ and Antichrist and Antichrist from the Diuell Christ doth saue and the other distroyeth Christ doth vnite his people with concorde and peace the other doth deuyde and scatter Yet in this they agree that each of them is a singular man and as Christ is the man of righteousnes so is Sathan the man of synne 1. Thess 2. VVho shal be made knowne to all men that he shal be wholly addicted to synne And therfore seing that Antichrist shal be a singular man Antichrist is not a Diuel or spirit but a reall man in whom the Diuel shall corporally inhabit and not many men neyther the Popes kingdome whom S. Hier. in cap. 7. dan. n. Let vs think him to be sayth he not the Diuell or a spirit but a man of the propagation of man-kynd in whom the Diuell shall corporally dwell Lykewyse S. Ambros in epist. 2. Thess cap. 2. sayes that as the sone of God tooke fleesh so Sathan shall appeare in man And S. Aug. de ciuitate dei lib. 20. cap. 19. Confessing many Antichrists with S. Iohn called one of them the very head and the last Antichrist for the wordes of the Apostle 2. Thess 2. Prince and last agree to one only persone and not to a whole succession of men in one state of lyfe To this S. Chry. in 2. Thess 2. That Antichrist shal be a certayn man hauing in him the power of the Diuell In lyke māner Theod. in 2. Thess cap. 2 That as the Sonne of God tooke flesh to procure our sa●uation So shall the Diuell choose him a man by whome he may worke mischeif and all iniquity to these subs●rybs S. Greg. in 106. lib 14 cap. 11. That in the last dayes the Diuell shall enter in that vessel of perdition which thalbe called Antichrist All these famous witnesses declare sufficiently that it is not the order and estate of the Byshops of Rome that are Antichrist Antichrist is not the order of Byshops or an estate but a man possessed of the Diuell but a certayn man shal be properly Antichrist who shal sett himself against Christ more singularly then euer any Heretyck as yet hath done hitherto For he shal withstād Christ so much that none is able to withstand him more for he shal not withstand a peice of the faith but the whole faith and shall deny Christ to be God and man or to be mediator And as Hier. quaest 11. ad Algas sayes He shall exalt himselfe aboue all that is called God that he may tread vnder foote the Gods of all nations and all true He shall abolish all true Religion He shall persuade

asmuch as he had first by vision that the gentiles also were called to belieue in Christ act 10. For asmuch as God choose that the gentills should first of all hear the word of the Ghospel by S. Peters mouth and should belieue Act. 15. For asmuch as when Peter was in prison prayer was made in the Church for him without intermission Act. 14. For Peter prayer is made by the church Peter decides the question moued about the Law For asmuch as when a sedition was among the disciples in so much that Paul and Barnabas came to the Apostles at Ierusalem to seeke a solution from them and chiefly from Peter and tould the controuersie in the counsell Act. 15. Theod in Epist. ad Leenem For asmuch as Peter did not only first speake but also gaue a determinate sentence that the gentils should not be burdened with the law act 15. For asmuch as S Paul came to Ierusalem to see Peter Gal 1. And that as S. Amb-sayes in com cap. ad Gal. 1. Because he was first and chiefest of the Apostles to whome our Lord had commited the cure of his Church For asmuch as Peter was eyther alone or first or chiefest in the greatest affaires of the Church Chry. in act apost Hom. 21. For asmuch as he was send to possesse with his chayr Rome Peter by Gods prouidence is sent to Rome to possesse that see with his chayre the Mother Church of the Roman Empyre Athan. ad Solit. Vit. Agent Aug de sanct serm 27. Leo serm 1. in nat Pet Paul VVho calleth Rome the Head-city of the world to conquer all superstition Heresie and infidelity For asmuch as his chayr and succession hath bynacknowledged of all the auncient Fathers hath florished there to this present day without interruption of that faith which S. Peter professed and taught as expertence doth bear witnes Conc. Calced act 3. Bern. epist 190. For as Christ excelleth the Angels Heb 1 because God neuer said to any of them as he said to Christ euen so Christ neuer sayd to any of the Apostles as he said to S. Peter Thow shaltbe called Peter or vpon this rock I will build my Church or to thee I will giue the keyes or pay for me and thee or I haue prayed for thee that thy faith fail not feed my sheepe and rule my lambes Matt 16. Luc. 22. Iohn 21. To declare one Pastor and one chayre wherein vnity might be kept of all men The building of Christ Church varieth not but is neuer syk it self least the other Apostles might echone chaleng a chaire to himself Opt. milet lib. 2. de Schism donat So that in Peter himself is this rock and faith of his Church And because the building of Christs Church varithe not after his Ghospell planted but is alwayes lyk it self therefore all Catholyckes belieue that when S. Peter died who was the head cōstitute by Christ another succeeded in his place by ordination of S. Peter All christians belieue the Pope to be the head of the church and confessor of the true faith and consequently the rock of the church vpō whō Christs militāte Church might be as stedfastly builded as it had ben once built on S. Peter And seing the Byshop of Rome succeedes S. Peter all Christians doe constantly affirme that the Byshop of Rome is the rock and head of his Church who confesses euermore Christes true faith Vpon which confession of the sea of Rome as vpon a sure rock Christs Church is built VVhervpon Bern. lib. de consid ad Eugen. pp. lib. 2. Other Pastores haue flockes assigned to them euery Pastor one flock to thee all are committed one flock to one sheepheard And not only of the sheep but also of the Pastores thow allone art the Pastor doest thou aske how I proue it by the word of our Lord. For to whom I say not only of the Byshops but also of the Apostles so absolutly without distinction are all the sheep committed as it is said It thow louest me Peter feed my sheep which sheep whether the people of this or of that city or country or certaine kingdome he sayes my sheepe Out of which worde it is euident that Christ did not appoint out some to a particular Pastor but assigned all nothing is accepted wher nothing is distinguished Thus he Therfore seing the pastorall office and authority of S. Peter was ordinary it behoueth that it must go for euer vnto his successors and for asmuch as the Byshop of Rome is that ordinary Pastor who succeedeth in S. Petees chayre and is aboue the rest according to Gods word All ordinary offices goe by succession for when the Church was built on S. Peter and he was made cheif Pastor of the same at what tyme he was in Palestina and not in Rome euen then he was accompted the high Byshop of the circumcision of the faithfull Iewes yet notwithstanding for asmuch as the same Peter at the lēgth setled himself at Rome by Gods appointement and left a successor there as the holy Fathers affirme as Iren. lib. 3. cap. 3. Tertul. de praese And seing he was the rocke promised by Christ vpon whome he should build his Church and also the pastor who as he hath loued Christ more then any other So he had the authority to feed Christ flock more then any other B●shop and seing that power of S. Peter was ordinary it must continue in the Church of God permanent and also it must continue in on chiefe sheepheard only which is the byshop of Rome who ordinarily succedees in the said authority of S. Peter therfore the said supremacy of the byshop of Rome is auouched and taught by Gods owne word Et Cyp. ad iubatan de simplicit prol sayes Christ gaue that authority that there should be no schisme Authority is in the Church that there should be no schisme and breach in vnity and that he might make vnity manifest that the originall of the same vnity may haue his beginning of one And therefore Iren lib. ● aduers Haeret. cap. 3. Speaking of the successions of Byshops in those Churches which the Apostls had first intituled called the church of Rome the greatest Church and most auncient and knowne to all men All Churches concures with the Church of Rome as mother Church Hereticks haue appealed from the affrican counsels to the sea of Rome being planted setled by two most glorious Apostles Peter and Paul and ech Church that is about this must come agree and concurr with her for her mighty principality and gouernement Hereupon S. Cyp. lib. epist 3. confesseth the authority of S. Peter to be at Rome for wheras certain factious persons Heretycks sayled from Cathage to Rome intending to complaine of him and the other Byshops of Africk sayd to Pope Cornelius they dare cary letters from Schismaticall and prophane men to the chayr of Peter and principall Church whence the

that all his actions are sinne then wherefore it is sayd to sinners Iohn 1. v. 12. That he hath giuen them power to be the sonnes of God who belieue in his name if by sinne they rema●●e euer the children of the Diuell and of darkenesse as Caluin affirmes saying that the very elect are Guilts of sinne before the tribunal seat of God and subiect to he sentence of death whose bla●● he my and arogant mynd is damned of all Christian men who can iudge any thing equally in this subiect and matter OBIECTION THe Prophet Isai 64. v. 6. sayth We all are made as vncleane and our whole righteousnes is as a menstruouse cloath that is to say our whole workes which seeme iust vnto vs. are vnclean with sinne Therefore all our works are defaylled with vncleanesse and the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of sinne ANSVVER THe Prophet speakes according to the meaning of S Hiero. in the persone of the Iewes and yet notwithstanding not of all men amongst whome were many good men whom the Scripture commendes for their righteous workes but of the wicked whose legall workes Sacrifices Sabbothes and New moones were adiudged before the Lord pollured and vncleane to wit when they were done of them in the estate of sinne not that these effectes was sinne of themselues but because they profited nothing by reason of the actors who remayned in the estate of sinne Moreouer neyther doth the Prophet speake so extending his wordes absolutly against all tymes and all men but only to that tyme in which he speake these wordes when iniquity abounded in Israel for which iniquity God was to permit that they should be leade into captiuity as may be euidently gathered of all wordes following v. 10. saying The city of thy holynesse is desert Sion is made vast and Ierusalem is disolat c. OBIECTION ECcl. 7 v. 21. sayth There is not a iust man in the Earth who doth good and sinneth not Ergo all our workes are sinne ANSVVER IN the Hebrue text it is read that the iust man shall not sinne at all tymes But the true sense is that no man is so firme and constāt to doe good that he can neuer sinne and it is not needfull neyther of necessity that he shall sinn in all his works and labours ergo there is iust men in Earth that doth good and sinneth not OBIECTION IT is sayd in Gen. 6. v. 5. That God did see that the whole cogitations of the hart of man was bent to euill at all tyme But of euill cogitations of a will inclyned to euill no good workes can proceed ergo where there is no good thought there is farrelesse good workes ANSVVER THe true sense of these wordes after the interpretation of the auncient Father is that many cogitations of the hart of man were inclyned to euill for such sayings are common in the Scriptures as for exemple all are sayd to be absent whē almost all are present euen so in the same place v. 12. It is sayd that al flesh to haue corrupted his way and notwithstanding Noe and Enoch are praysed for righteous men Lykewyse S. Paul complaynes Phil 2. v. 2● That all sought that which was for their owne profyt and not which appertayned to Iesu Christ And yet in the contrary S. Paul himself and the other Apostles sought not their owne profyt but Christ Iesus Ergo all men neyther the thought of all men are not inclyned to euill but also to good and consequently to good workes OBIECTION IT is sayd an the Psalmist 142. v. 2. That all lyuing souls shall not be iustifyed in thy sight And Matth 7 v. 8. sayth That an euill tree cannot bring forth good fruict but where there is no iustification and good fruictes there can be no good workes Ergo c. ANSVVER THe true meaning of the Psalmist is saying that if God would doe with sinners in righteousnes and eq●●● there is none who absolutly and altogeather can be pronunced iust without some veniall sinnes by reason of which he is not altogeather iust to this effect is vnderstood that place of S. Iohn i. Epist Ioh. cap. 1. v. 8. If we say we haue no sinne we deceaue our solues and the verity is not in vs ●etnot with stāding desists not or failles to be iust for it is sayd that the righteous masinnes seatientymes in the day Prou. 24. v. 16. which sinnes are not iudged mortall to Robbe him of righteousnes but veniall inclyning and not effecting and so the holy man concludes that no man can be iustifyed in the presence of God innocent and pure of all sinne which veniall sinne doe not impedit righteousnes because as oft we say the Lords prayers as is presupposed of all learned men veniall sinnes are forgiuen And as concerning that place of S. Matth. That an euil tree cannot bring forth good fruict S. Augustin expoondes it of the intention to wit that so long as an euill intention is retayned in the mynd a mā cannot bring forth good workes for vnto an euill intention euil followeth Whereupon it followes that freewill is in our owne power vnderpropted with diuine help to turne it to Good and so to bring forth good fruictes OBIECTION AMongst other preceptes God hath two first that we loue God with our whole hart Deut. 6 v. 5. Secondly he sayth That we shall not couet Exod. 20. v. 17. But who fulfills not these two precepts inteirly sinnes ergo what righteousnes can we worke but it it sinne seing we cānot kept these two commandements ANSVVER IN the contrary S. Iohn Epist 1. cap. 2. v. 5. saith who kepes his worde in him is the loue of God parfect indeed as for the precept thow shall not Couet the consent of will is forbidden and not first motion and for that cause we consent not euer neyther sinne euer and consequently we may fulfill these two precepts in keeping his cōmandements when we consent not in will to Couet and so we worke righteousnes without sinne in keepting his Commandements as at more lenght is discouered in the twenthy-fyue question QVAESTIO XXXI Of the merites of good Workes WHerefore doe the Papists so arrogantly teach that a man properly may merite the augment and increase of grace in this lyfe and the rewarde of eternall lyfe seing this derogates the Maiesty of God For that cause the name of merite is as a thing full of arrogance which our reformed Church hath abhorred and detested Calu. lib. 3. inst cap. 15 § 12 alij ANSVVER IT is no maruell that good workes the name of merit be in hatred and detested of you who allowed none but all to be sinne Which affirmitiue make men to fle from the vertu of all good workes as chastity humility c. And other Christian Godly workes as from deadly poyson and to enter in the broode way which leadeth to perdition Matth. 7. v. 13. But the true verity is that a man standing in habituall grace may truely