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A81741 The northern subscribers plea, vindicated from the exceptions laid against it by the non-subscribing ministers of Lancashire and Cheshire, and re-inforced by J. Drew. Published according to order. Drew, John, fl. 1649-1651. 1651 (1651) Wing D2165; Thomason E638_11; ESTC R206635 62,703 75

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hath lifted them up as wel as cast them downe here are many of Sions complaints and lamentations gathered together and it were easie for us to collect as large a bundle of her Hymns Hallelujahs and triumphant Exaltations when God has given her the necks of her enemies to tread upon but these gleanings on either hand only shew how and in what manner God dealt with his people at such and such seasons Heb. 3.1 calling them to Songs upon Sigionoth sometimes to rejoycing sometimes to ejaculation they only prove that it has been thus from the beginning but are not standing or perpetuall rules of Divine administrations towards the godly nor prove that it shall be so unto the end if we looke upon those gracious promises drawing to the birth in these latter dayes we may conclude Zion shall be comforted according to the times wherein she has knowne adversity and that she shall not be troden under foot still of the wicked so that prevailency and outward illustriousnesse though Characters of the wicked race till their day be done shall Characterize the Generation of the just when their day begins and the acceptable yeare is proclaimed The Sons of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee saith the Lord and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves downe at the soles of thy feet and they shall call thee the City of the Lord the Zion of the holy one of Israel whereas thou hast been forsaken and hated so that no man went through thee I will make thee an eternall Excellency a joy of many Generations Isa 60.14 15. And it shall come to passe in the last dayes that the mountaine of the Lords House shall be established upon the top of the mountaines and shall be exalted above the hils and all Nations shall flow unto it Isa 2.2 And the Kingdome and Dominion and the greatnesse of the Kingdome under the whole heaven shall bee given to the people of the Saints of the most high whose Kingdome is an everlasting Kingdome and all Dominions shall serve and obey him Dan. 7.27 What though prosperity spake against the Church of old may it not therefore now speak for it an argument from this Topick viz. successefull providence is of that purport and force in these daies of ours which it was not of in ancient times t is very considerable in our case now those promises are fullfilling though when they were but in making it lookt another way yea t is a thriving argument and will gather yet more strength and weight in favour of the Church before it come into the mouthes of our children Had these Ministers but heapt together as many promises of what the Churches condition shall be and which we see have taken effect in some comfortable degree as they have done testimonies of what its lot was of old it is likely they would have seene they have very little ground for such an odious untheologicall insinuation as that of theirs in this paragraph is viz. That the mighty presence of God with his Saints and Servants who bend themselves against the usurpations of Antichrist and labour his dethronment in these dayes is no otherwise to be accounted of then his providences towards the Babylonian Seleucidan and Roman Tyrants were of old in effecting their enslavements of his Church and chosen Now to goe forward In driving on their Answer to that use wee make of providence a little further they charge us as counterfeiters of the broad se ale of heaven by making that a signe of Gods mind which he never instituted to that purpose but presumption is a groundlesse charge we have told them once and againe and now tell them once for all it is Heterodoxie in our judgements to affirm that the Lord hath ordained Providences and prevailing successes * Yet see what single providence once did Jona 1.15 16. solitarily to nolifie his approving or dis-approving will yet providence in conjunction with the word gives effectuall notice and sound conviction yea the Lord many times by Providence alone gives a check to the censorious and unadvised harshnes of mens spirits against a people or cause Dan. 3.25 26. and boring through their propositions makes way for a more impartiall judgement and charitable perswasion in them Pauls shaking the Viper off his hand without harme Act. 28.6 made the Barbarians think otherwise of him then before thus crosse and adverse providences in a good cause strike many heart-searchings Jos 7.8 and staggerings into the stablest and best ballanced leaders Lord saith Joshua what shall I say when Israel turneth their backs before their enemies successe hath light as wel as heat and comfort in it to Gods people and adverse occurrences darknesse as well as trouble the Lambes conquering the Kingdomes of the World will so cleare the promises that all Nations shall come to the brightnesse of Zions rising Christ gets up to his Throne by pulling downe the Principalities and Thrones of others present proprietors no doubt Hag. 2.21 22. and if prevailencie helpe not the Sons of men in discerning his title to dominion the promises of his successe such is the hardnesse of mens hearts must stand still for Cyphers and 't is to us altogether inconceiveable Si prae scriptio malefida in omni foro procedat how he will ever finde a vacant or empty Throne upon the earth or how he shall get possession of what his Father has given him if his way be not made by notable shakings See Mr. Owen's Sermon on Heb. 12.26 27. and translations of the customes and the constitutions of Governments in the World A dead woman saith the Proverbe will not be carried out of her house under foure men Their comparison betwixt Providence as we use it Pag. 14. and Lot seemes to us a very poore one we never looked at Providence as an Ordinance of God for the determining a Right but seeing the hand of the Almighty in important events we think our selves bound to acknowledge it and to conclude as much from it as his Word will give us leave which in a righteous cause amounts to a testimony that he ownes it if he favours and more then ordinarily succeeds the managers of it for God is in the Generation of the just Psal 14.5 Psal 41.11 And by this I know saith David thou favourest me because mine enemy doth not triumph over me if the Army have tempted God by casting themselves upon Providence and by their appeales to his Majesty in courses injustifiable as they here tell us we shal in no case stand by them but leave them as they desire to be left even to him that judgeth righteously their sinne no doubt shall finde them out and are there not with us even with us sinnes against the Lord our God 2 Chron. 28.10 In the next place they thus documentize us the argument from Providence is ab eventu or from the issue of a thing they then