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A66445 The blovdy tenent, of persecution, for cause of conscience, discussed, in a conference betweene trvth and peace vvho, in all tender affection, present to the high court of Parliament, as the result of their discourse, these, amongst other passages, of highest consideration. Williams, Roger, 1604?-1683.; Cotton, John, 1584-1652. 1644 (1644) Wing W2758; ESTC R2405 232,471 275

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Conscience Peace What should be the reason of this their expression Truth Doubtles their Consciences tell them how few of those Churches which they yet acknowledge Churches are able and willing to hold forth Christ Iesus the Sun of Righteousnes healing with his wings the doubting and afflicted conscience Lastly their conscience tells them that a Servant of Christ Iesus may possibly be sent as an Heretick to be healed by a false Church which Church will never be willing to deale with him or never be able to convince him Peace Yea but they say by such a course the Magistrate shall convince such an ones conscience that hee seekes his good c. Truth If a man thus bound be sent to a Church to be healed in his conscience either he is an Heretick or he is not Admit he be yet he disputes in feare as the poor theefe the Mouse disputes with a terrible persecuting Cat who while she seemes to play and gently tosse yet the conclusion is a proud insulting and devouring crueltie If no Heretick but an innocent and faithfull witnes of any Truth of Jesus disputes he not as a Lambe in the Lyons paw being sure in the end to be torne in pieces Peace They adde The censure this way proceeds with more power and blessing Truth All power and blessing is from that blessed Son of God unto whom all power is given from the Father in Heaven and Earth He hath promised his presence with his Messengers preaching and baptizing to the worlds end ratifying in Heaven what they blinde or loose on Earth But let any man shew me such a commission instruction and promise given by the Son of God to Civill powers in these spirituall affaires of his Christian Kingdome and Worship Peace Lastly they conclude This course of first sending the Heretick to be healed by the Church takes away all excuse for none can say that he is persecuted for his Conscience but for sinning against his Conscience Truth Iesabel placing poore Naboth before the Elders as a blasphemer of God and the King and sanctifying the plotted and intended murther with a day of humiliation may seeme to take away all excuse and to conclude the Blasphemer worthy to be stoned But Iehovah the God of Recompences ●er 51. when he makes Inquisition for blood will find both Iesabel and Ahab guilty and make the Dogs a feast with the flesh of Iesabel and leave not to Ahab a man to pisse against the wall for as Paul in his owne plea there was nothing committed worthy of death and against thee O King saith Daniel I have not sinned Dan. 6. in any Civill fact against the State CHAP. C. Peace THeir eighth question is this viz. What power Magistrates have about the gathering of Churches First the Magistrate hath power and it is his duty to incourage and countenance such persons as voluntarily joyn themselves in holy Covenant both by his presence if it may be and promise of protection they accepting the right hand of fellowship from other neighbour Churches Secondly he hath power ●o forbid all Idolatrous and corrupt Assemblies who offer to put themselves under their patronage and shall attempt to joyne themselves into a Church-estate and if they shall not hearken to force them therefrom by the power of the Sword Psal. 101. 8. For our tolerating many Religions in a State in severall Churches beside the provoking of God may in time not only corrupt leaven divide and so destroy the peace of the Churches but also dissolve the continuity of the State especially ours whose wals are made of the stones of the Churches it being also contrary to the end of our planting in this part of the World which was not only to enjoy the pure Ordinances but to enjoy them all in purity Thirdly He hath power to compell all men within his grant to heare the Word for hearing the Word of God is a duty which the light of Nature leadeth even Heathens to The Ninivites heard Ionah though a stranger and unknowne unto them to be an extraordinary Prophet Ionah 3. And Eglon the King of Moab hearing that Ehud had a message from God he rose out of his seat for more reverent attention Iudg. 3. 20. Yet he hath no power to compell all men to become members of Churches because he hath not power to make them fit members for the Church which is not wrought by the power of the Sword but by the power of the Word Nor may he force the Churches to accept of any for members but those whom the Churches themselves can freely approve of Truth To the first branch of this head I answer That the Magistrate should encourage and countenance the Church yea and protect the persons of the Church from violence disturbance c. It being truly noble and glorious by how much the Spouse and Queene of the Lord Iesus transcends the Ladies Queens and Empresses of the World in glory beauty chastity and innocency 'T is true all Magistrates in the world do this viz. Incourage and protect that Church or Assembly of worshippers which they judge to be true and approve of but not permitting other consciences then their owne It hath come to passe in all ages and yet doubtlesse will that the Lord Iesus and His Queene are driven and persecuted out of the World To the second That the Magistrate ought to suppresse all Churches which he judgeth false he quoteth Psal. 101. 8. Betimes I will cut off the wicked of the Land that I may cut off all evill doers from the City of Jehovah unto which he addeth foure Reasons Peace Deare Truth first a word to that Scripture so often quoted and so much boasted of Truth Concerning that holy Land of Canaan concerning the City of Iehovah Ierusalem out of which King David here resolves to cut off all the wicked and evill doers I shall speake more largely on the 11 Head or Question in the differences between that and all other Lands At present I answer There is no holy Land or City of the Lord no King of Sion c. but the Church of Iesus Christ and the King thereof according to 1 Pet. 2. 9. Ye are a holy Nation and Ierusalem is the holy people of God in the true profession of Christianity Heb. 12. Gal. 4. Rev. 21. Out of which the Lord Iesus by his holy Ordinances in such a government and by such governours as he hath appointed he cuts off every wicked person and evill doer If Christ Iesus had intended any difference of plate Cities or Countries doubtlesse Ierusalem and Samaria had been thought of or the Cities of Asia wherein the Christian Religion was so gloriously planted But the Lord Iesus disclaimes Ierusalem and Samaria forth having any respect of holinesse more then other Cities Iohn 4. And the Spirit of God evidently testineth that the Churches were in the Cities and Countries not that the whole Cities or Countries were Gods holy Land
from them according to their office as it pleased God alwayes to send to the Kings of Israel and Judah in the like case Peace Some will here object Pauls appealing to Caesar. Truth And I must refer them to what I formerly answered to that Objection Paul never appealed to Caesar as a Judge appointed by Christ Jesus to give definitive sentence in any spirituall or Church controversie but against that civill violence and murther which the Iewes intended against him Paul justly appealed For otherwise if in a spirituall cause he should have appealed he should have overthrowne his owne Apostleship and Power given him by Christ Iesus in spirituall things above the highest Kings or Emperors of the world beside CHAP. XC Peace BLessed Truth I shall now remember you of the fourth Quaerie upon this place of Timothy to wit whether a Church of Christ Iesus may not live in Gods worship and comelinesse notwithstanding that the civill Magistrate professe not the same but a contrary Religion and Worship in his owne person and the Country with him Truth I answer the Churches of Christ under the Roman Emperours did live in all godlinesse and christian gravity as appeares by all their holy and glorious practices which the Scripture abundantly testifies Secondly this ●lowes from an institution or appointment of such a power and authority left by the Lord Iesus to his Apostles and Churches that no ungodlinesse or dishonesty in the first appearance of it was to be suffered but supprest and cast out from the Churches of Christ even the little Leaven of doctrine or practice 1 Corinth 5. Gal. 5. Lastly I adde that although sometimes it pleaseth the Lord to vouchsafe his servants peace and quietnesse and to command them here in Timothy to pray for it for those good ends and purposes for which God hath appointed civill Magistracy in the world to keepe the world in peace and quietnesse Yet Gods people have used most to abound with godlinesse and honesty when they have enjoyed least peace and quietnesse Then like those spices Cant. 4. Myrrhe Frankincense Saffron Calamus c. they have yeelded the sweetest favour to God and man when they were pounded and burnt in cruell persecution of the Romane Censors then are they as Gods Venison most sweet when most hunted Gods Stars shining brightest in the darkest night more heavenly in conversation more mortified more abounding in love each to other more longing to be with God when the inhospitable and salvage World hath used them like strangers and forced them to hasten home to another Country which they professe to seeke CHAP. XCI Peace DEare Truth it seemes not to be unseasonable to close up this passage with a short descant upon that Assertion viz. A subject without godlinesse will not be bonus vir a good man nor a Magistrate except he see godlinesse preserved will not be bonus Magistratus Truth I confesse that without godlinesse or a true w●rshipping of God with an upright heart according to Gods Ordinances neither Subjects nor Magistrates can please God in Christ Iesus and so be spiritually or christianly good which few Magistrates and few men either come to or are ordained unto God having chosen a little ●lock out of the world and those generally poore and meane 1 Cor. 1. Iam. 2. Yet this I must remember you of that when the most High God created all things of nothing he saw and acknowledged divers sorts of goodnesse which must still be acknowledged in their distinct kindes a good Ayre a good Ground a good Tree a good Sheepe c. I say the same in Artificialls a good Garment a good House a good Sword a good Ship I also adde a good City a good Company or Corporation a good Husband Father Master Hence also we say a good Physitian a good Lawyer a good Sea-man a good Merchant a good Pilot for such or such ● shoare or Harbour that is Morally Civilly good in their severall Civill respects and imployments Hence Psal. 133. the Church or Citie of God is compared to a Citie compact within it selfe which compactnes may be found in many Townes and Cities of the World where yet hath not shined any spirituall or supernaturall goodnesse Hence the Lord Iesus Matth. 12. describes an ill state of an house or kingdome viz. to be divided against it selfe which cannot stand These I observe to prove that a Subject a Magistrate may be a good Subject a good Magistrate in respect of civill or morall goodnes which thousands want and where it is it is commendable and beautifull though Godlines which is infinitely more beautifull be wanting and which is onely proper to the Christian state the Commonweale of Israel the true Church the holy Nation Ephes. 2. 1 Pet. 2. Lastly however the Authors deny that there can be Bonus Magistratus a good Magistrate except the see all Godlines preserved yet themselves confesse that civill honesty is sufficient to make a good Subject in these words viz. He must see that Honestie be preserved within his jurisdiction else the Subject will not be Bonus civ●s a good citizen and doubtlesse if the Law of Relations hold true that civill honestie which makes a good citizen must also together with qualifications sit for a Commander make also a good Magistrate CHAP. XCII Peace THe 4. head is The proper meanes of both these Powers to attaine their ends First the proper meanes whereby the Civill Power may and should attaine its end are onely Politicall and principally these Five First the erecting and establishing what forme of Civill Government may seeme in wisedome most meet according to generall rules of the Word and state of the people Secondly the making publishing and establishing of wholesome Civill Lawes not only such as concerne Civill Justice but also the free passage of true Religion for outward Civill Peace ariseth and is maintained from them both from the latter as well as from the former Civill peace cannot stand intire where Religion is corrupted 2 Chron. 15. 3. 5. 6. Iudg. 8. And yet such Lawes though conversant about Religion may still be counted Civill Lawes as on the contrary an Oath doth still remaine Religious though conversant about Civill matters Thirdly Election and appointment of Civill officers to see execution of those Lawes Fourthly Civill Punishments and Rewards of Transgressors and Observers of these Lawes Fifthly taking up Armes against the Enemies of Civill Peace Secondly the meanes whereby the Church may and should attaine her ends are only ecclesiasticall which are chiefly five First setting up that forme of Church Government only of which Christ hath given them a pattern in his Word Secondly acknowledging and admitting of no Lawgiver in the Church but Christ and the publishing of his Lawes Thirdly Electing and ordaining of such officers onely as Christ hath appointed in his Word Fourthly to receive into their fellowship them that are approved and in●licting Spirituall censures against them that offend
and Cities out of which all false worshippers and wicked persons were to be cut Rev. 2. 3. The Divells throne was in the City of Pergamus in respect of the state and persecution of it and yet there was also the Throne of the Lord Iesus set up in His Church of worshippers in Pergamus out of which the Balaamites and Nicholaitans and every false worshipper was to be cast though not out of the City of Pergamus for then Pergamus must have beene throwne out of Pergamus and the World out of the World CHAP. CI. Peace OH that my head were a fountaine and mine eyes River● of teares to lament my children the children of peace and light thus darkning that and other lightsome Scriptures with such darke and direfull clouds of bloud Truth Sweet Peace thy teares are seasonable and precious and botled up in the Heavens but let me adde a second consideration from that Scripture If that Scripture may now literally be applied to Nations and Cities in a parallel to Canaan and Ierusalem since the Gospel and this Psal. 101. be literally to be applied to Cities Townes and Countries in Europe and America not only such as assay to joyne themselves as they here speake in a corrupt Church estate but such as know no Church estate nor God nor Christ yea every wicked person and evill doer must be hanged or stoned c. as it was in Israel and if so how many thousands and millions of men and women in the severall Kingdomes and governments of the World must be cut off from their Lands and destroyed from their Cities as this Scripture speakes Thirdly since those persons in the New English plantations accounted unfit for Church estate yet remaine all members of the Church of England from which New England dares not separate no not in their Sacraments as some of the Independents have published what riddle or mysterie or rather fallacie of Sathan is this Peace It will not be offence to charity to make conjecture First herein New England Churches secretly call their Mother whore not daring in America to joyne with their owne Mothers children though unexcommunicate no nor permit them to worship God after their consciences and as their Mother hath taught them this secretly and silently they have a minde to doe which publickly they would seem to disclaime and professe against Secondly If such members of Old England should be suffered to enjoy their consciences in New however it is pretended they would profane Ordinances for which they are unfit as true it is in that naturall persons are not fit for Spirituall worship yet this appears not to be the bottome for in Old England the New English joyne with Old in the ministrations of the Word Prayer singing contribution maintenance of the Ministrie c. if I say they should set up Churches after their conscience the greatnesse and multitudes of their owne Assemblies would decay and with all the contributions and maintenance of their Ministers unto which all or most have beene forced Truth Deare Peace These are more then conjectures thousands now espie and all that love the purity of the worship of the living God should lament such halting I shall adde this not only doe they partially neglect to cut off the wicked of the Land but such as themselves esteemed beloved and goldy have they driven forth and keep out others which would come unto them eminently godly by their owne confession because differing in conscience and worship from them and consequently not to be suffered in their holy Land of Canaan But having examined that Scripture alledged let us now weigh their Reasons First say they the not cutting off by the sword but tolerating many Religions in a State would provoke God unto which I answer first and here being no Scripture produced to these Reasons shall the sooner answer that no proofe can be made from the Institutions of the Lord Iesus that all Religions but one are to be cut off by the Civill Sword that Nationall Church in that typicall Land of Canaan being abolished and the Christian Commonweale or Church instituted Secondly I affirme that the cutting off by the Sword other Consciences and Religions is contrarily most provoking unto God expressely against his will concerning the Tares Matth. 13. as I have before proved as also the bloudy mother of all those monstrous mischiefes where such cutting off is used both to the soules and bodies of men Thirdly let conscience and experience speake how in the not cutting off their many Religions it hath pleased God not only not to be provoked but to prosper the state of the united Provinces our next neighbours and that to admiration Peace The second reason is such tolerating would leaven divide and destroy the peace of the Churches Truth This must also be denied upon so many former Scriptures Reasons produced proving the power of the Lord Iesus and the sufficiencie of his Spirituall power in his Church for the purging forth and conquering of the least evill yea and for the bringing every thought in subjection unto Christ Iesu 2 Cor. 10. I adde they have not produced one Scripture nor can to prove that the permitting to leaven of false doctrine in the World or Civill State will leaven the Churches only we finde that the permission of leaven in persons doctrines or practices in the Church that indeed will corrupt and spread 1. Cor. 5. Gal. 5. but this Reason should never have been alledged were not the particular Churches in New England but as so many implicite Parish Churches in one implicite National Church Peace Their third Reason is it will dissolve the continuity of the State especially theirs where the walls are made of the stones of the Churches Truth I answer briefly to this bare affirmation thus that the true Church is a wall spirituall and mysticall Cant. 8. 9. Then consequently a false Church or Company is a false or pretended wall and none of Christs The civill State Power and Government is a civill wall c. and Lastly the walls of Earth or stone about a City are the naturall or artificiall wall or defence of it Now in consideration of these foure wals I desire it may be proved from the Scripture of Truth how the false spirituall wall or company of false worshippers suffred in a City can be able to destroy the true Christian wall or company of beleevers Againe how this false spirituall wall or false Church permitted can destroy the civill wall the State and Government of the City and Citizens any more then it can destroy the naturall or artificiall wall of earth or stone Spirituall may destroy spirituall if a stronger and victorious but spirituall cannot reach to artificiall or civill Peace Yea but they feare the false spirituall wall may destroy their civill because it is made of the stones of Churches Truth If this have reference to that practice amongst them