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A09147 The Protestants theologie containing the true solutions, and groundes of religion, this daye mainteyned, and intreated, betwixt the Protestants, and Catholicks. Writen, by the R. F. F. VVilliame Patersoune religious priest, Conuentuall of Antwerpe, preacher of Gods word, and Vicar generall of the holy order of S. Augustin, through the kingdome of Scotland. The 1. Part. Paterson, F. William. 1620 (1620) STC 19461; ESTC S101863 199,694 338

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of God lykewyse that Church which was after Christ hath neuer fayled or might fayle according to that stait in which it was instituted of himself It is euidēt by testimony of holy Scripture in which Christ kingdomes is fortold to be eternall as psal 47 v. 9. Is sayd as we haue hard so we haue we seen in the city of our God and God hath established it for euer Which psalme is spoken altogeather of the Church and her perpetuity lykewyse her visibility is also mētioned whyl the prophet sayes as we haue hard and seene therefore it is not obscurly designed or inuisible Also Dan. 2. v. 44. sayes That in the dayes of those Kings the God of Heauen shall set vp a Kingdome which shall neuer be distroyed and this Kingdome shall not be giuen to another people but it shall break and distroy all these Kingdomes and it shall stand for euer Moreouer S. Matth. 16. v. 18. sayes That the gates of Hell shall not preuayle against her for as there is a visible head there must be a visible body and seing Christ was seen in earth did conuerse with men shall not his body and members therof also be visible if the foundamēt be visible it behoweth also the house to be visible and seing the Apostles and prophets are foundament of his Church Ephes 2. who can deny the building not to be visible Lykewyse our coniunction with Christ is not only spirituall but also is bodily that we may be bone of his bones and flesh of his flesh the Apostle calleth it a great Sacraments Eph. 5. And seing by Sacramentes we are vnited and knowne togeather which are visible things and therfore appertayne to a visible body which is his Church also which hath a visible head that the Church of God may euer appeare visible wherupon Chrysest Tom. 5. orat de non rontemnend Eccles What is more stronger then the Church of God the barbarous may pull downe the walles but the infernall diuels cannot ouercome it When she is battered she is victor and when she is inuaded with deceipt ouercommeth thus he And S. Bernard Serm. 79. neyther by the verbositie of Philosophers neyther cauillations of heretyckes neyther by the sword of the persecutors might the Church at any tyme be separat from the loue of God thus he Moreouer it is sayd Eph. 4. v. 11. He gane some to be Apostles and some Prophets some Euangelistes and some Pastors and ●eachers for the ●●summation of the Saincts for the worke of the ministery and for the edification of the body of Christ whyll we all meer togeather in the vnity of faith and in knowledge of the sone of God vnto a perfyt man and vnto the measur of the age of the fulnes of Christ In which words the Apostle rehearsing these offices Apostles Pastors and Doctors to abyd in the Church to the end of the world declares the Church to be visible which no ways cā be vnderstood of an inuisible church by reason that there is no such offices that Moreouer it implicates a contradition the visible Church sometyme to haue fayled and the inuisible to remayne for somuch as the wonders of the world are noted partly by Scripture as the deludge Gen. 6 4 Reg 17 Matth. 25. the going back of the sonne the sonne mone to haue lost their light and darkenesse to haue ouer shaddowed the whole face of the earth at the death of Christ Lykwyse Historiographers and Chronologies make mention of erthquakes fyre tempestes pestilence and such lyke prodigious things which are registred and are extant in euery mans hand and yet what tyme the Church fayled and became inuisible there is no Scripture no chronologie no witnes euer to be found but only clamorous mens voyces to say it once it was visible this they graunt but how in fayled it is improbable For if the visible Church hath fayled and the inuisible remaine and was not seene there followe to wyld absurdities for eyther she professed her fayth and yelded not to the persecutions of the Gentills or Heceticks and in so doing it followeth that she was visible as the primitue Church in the tyme of the Apostles and Martyres in tyme of persecutors for in profession suffering sho appeared and was a spectacle to the world and contrary wise if she professed not her sayth but lurked and retayned it inwardly in the hart and outwardly by dissimulation accommodated hirself to the tyme in following of false worship as the Helchesi●nes did as witnes Euse lib. 6. cap. 31. In so doing sho cannot be accounted the true Church of Christ For Christ sayes Matth. 10. ● 33 VVho shall deny me before men him shall I deny before my Father in Heauen Therefore the Church in vigor and subsistance cannot want a signe of visibility Morouer the Church contayning alswell the vniuersality of faithfull as of Byshops absolutely cannot err in matters of fayth which vniuersally eyther are to be belieued of fayth or propounded vnto vs to be done for good manners whether expressely they be found in the Scripture or noe because the Church is gouerned of Christ the head as S. Paul sayes Ephes 1. u 22. He hath giuen him to be head of all the Church which is his body And therefore if sho may err it redounds vnto Christ which according to the verity it self no manner of way may fall because God is true and because the Church is the pillar and foundament of verity 1. Tim. 3 v. 15. Therefore sho cannot err lykewyse Christ promissed to his Apostles and to the whole Church The spirit of verity to abyd with hir for euer and to leade hir in all verity S Ioan. 14. 16. It is not to be vnderstood of simple verity because the Scripture speakes generally of all verity descrybing the holy spirit to teach the Church and sho to be a pillar of verity that in nothing sho should err otherwayes if the Church may erre in teachings things necessary to saluation no man shall know wher the verity is and the holy Ghost shall be found the lyar For haue not all the Fathers in whatsoeuer question and controuersie of fayth fled to the church as vnto the ancher of verity They would neuer haue taken this refuge if they thought that the Church might erre To this effect S. Aug. lib. 1. contra Cresc c. 33. sayth the verity of the Scriptures is kept of vs seing we doe that thing which hath pleased the vniuersall Church the which doth commend the authority of the selfe Scripture forsomuch the holy Scripture may deceaue none but whosoeuer hath feared to be deceaued by obscurity of any question let him consult with the Church which without any ambigu●ty doth demonstrate and shaw the holy Scripture Againe Epist 118. To dispute against that thing sayes he which the vniuersall Church belieues it is most insolent madnes Againe in psal 57. In the bowells of the Church sayes he veritie remaynes
that all his actions are sinne then wherefore it is sayd to sinners Iohn 1. v. 12. That he hath giuen them power to be the sonnes of God who belieue in his name if by sinne they rema●●e euer the children of the Diuell and of darkenesse as Caluin affirmes saying that the very elect are Guilts of sinne before the tribunal seat of God and subiect to he sentence of death whose bla●● he my and arogant mynd is damned of all Christian men who can iudge any thing equally in this subiect and matter OBIECTION THe Prophet Isai 64. v. 6. sayth We all are made as vncleane and our whole righteousnes is as a menstruouse cloath that is to say our whole workes which seeme iust vnto vs. are vnclean with sinne Therefore all our works are defaylled with vncleanesse and the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of sinne ANSVVER THe Prophet speakes according to the meaning of S Hiero. in the persone of the Iewes and yet notwithstanding not of all men amongst whome were many good men whom the Scripture commendes for their righteous workes but of the wicked whose legall workes Sacrifices Sabbothes and New moones were adiudged before the Lord pollured and vncleane to wit when they were done of them in the estate of sinne not that these effectes was sinne of themselues but because they profited nothing by reason of the actors who remayned in the estate of sinne Moreouer neyther doth the Prophet speake so extending his wordes absolutly against all tymes and all men but only to that tyme in which he speake these wordes when iniquity abounded in Israel for which iniquity God was to permit that they should be leade into captiuity as may be euidently gathered of all wordes following v. 10. saying The city of thy holynesse is desert Sion is made vast and Ierusalem is disolat c. OBIECTION ECcl. 7 v. 21. sayth There is not a iust man in the Earth who doth good and sinneth not Ergo all our workes are sinne ANSVVER IN the Hebrue text it is read that the iust man shall not sinne at all tymes But the true sense is that no man is so firme and constāt to doe good that he can neuer sinne and it is not needfull neyther of necessity that he shall sinn in all his works and labours ergo there is iust men in Earth that doth good and sinneth not OBIECTION IT is sayd in Gen. 6. v. 5. That God did see that the whole cogitations of the hart of man was bent to euill at all tyme But of euill cogitations of a will inclyned to euill no good workes can proceed ergo where there is no good thought there is farrelesse good workes ANSVVER THe true sense of these wordes after the interpretation of the auncient Father is that many cogitations of the hart of man were inclyned to euill for such sayings are common in the Scriptures as for exemple all are sayd to be absent whē almost all are present euen so in the same place v. 12. It is sayd that al flesh to haue corrupted his way and notwithstanding Noe and Enoch are praysed for righteous men Lykewyse S. Paul complaynes Phil 2. v. 2● That all sought that which was for their owne profyt and not which appertayned to Iesu Christ And yet in the contrary S. Paul himself and the other Apostles sought not their owne profyt but Christ Iesus Ergo all men neyther the thought of all men are not inclyned to euill but also to good and consequently to good workes OBIECTION IT is sayd an the Psalmist 142. v. 2. That all lyuing souls shall not be iustifyed in thy sight And Matth 7 v. 8. sayth That an euill tree cannot bring forth good fruict but where there is no iustification and good fruictes there can be no good workes Ergo c. ANSVVER THe true meaning of the Psalmist is saying that if God would doe with sinners in righteousnes and eq●●● there is none who absolutly and altogeather can be pronunced iust without some veniall sinnes by reason of which he is not altogeather iust to this effect is vnderstood that place of S. Iohn i. Epist Ioh. cap. 1. v. 8. If we say we haue no sinne we deceaue our solues and the verity is not in vs ●etnot with stāding desists not or failles to be iust for it is sayd that the righteous masinnes seatientymes in the day Prou. 24. v. 16. which sinnes are not iudged mortall to Robbe him of righteousnes but veniall inclyning and not effecting and so the holy man concludes that no man can be iustifyed in the presence of God innocent and pure of all sinne which veniall sinne doe not impedit righteousnes because as oft we say the Lords prayers as is presupposed of all learned men veniall sinnes are forgiuen And as concerning that place of S. Matth. That an euil tree cannot bring forth good fruict S. Augustin expoondes it of the intention to wit that so long as an euill intention is retayned in the mynd a mā cannot bring forth good workes for vnto an euill intention euil followeth Whereupon it followes that freewill is in our owne power vnderpropted with diuine help to turne it to Good and so to bring forth good fruictes OBIECTION AMongst other preceptes God hath two first that we loue God with our whole hart Deut. 6 v. 5. Secondly he sayth That we shall not couet Exod. 20. v. 17. But who fulfills not these two precepts inteirly sinnes ergo what righteousnes can we worke but it it sinne seing we cānot kept these two commandements ANSVVER IN the contrary S. Iohn Epist 1. cap. 2. v. 5. saith who kepes his worde in him is the loue of God parfect indeed as for the precept thow shall not Couet the consent of will is forbidden and not first motion and for that cause we consent not euer neyther sinne euer and consequently we may fulfill these two precepts in keeping his cōmandements when we consent not in will to Couet and so we worke righteousnes without sinne in keepting his Commandements as at more lenght is discouered in the twenthy-fyue question QVAESTIO XXXI Of the merites of good Workes WHerefore doe the Papists so arrogantly teach that a man properly may merite the augment and increase of grace in this lyfe and the rewarde of eternall lyfe seing this derogates the Maiesty of God For that cause the name of merite is as a thing full of arrogance which our reformed Church hath abhorred and detested Calu. lib. 3. inst cap. 15 § 12 alij ANSVVER IT is no maruell that good workes the name of merit be in hatred and detested of you who allowed none but all to be sinne Which affirmitiue make men to fle from the vertu of all good workes as chastity humility c. And other Christian Godly workes as from deadly poyson and to enter in the broode way which leadeth to perdition Matth. 7. v. 13. But the true verity is that a man standing in habituall grace may truely