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A69617
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Two arguments in Parliament the first concerning the cannons, the second concerning the premunire vpon those cannons / by Edward Bagshawe, Esquire.
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Bagshaw, Edward, d. 1662.
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1641
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Wing B401; ESTC R16597
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