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A83515	The third part of Gangræna. Or, A new and higher discovery of the errors, heresies, blasphemies, and insolent proceedings of the sectaries of these times; with some animadversions by way of confutation upon many of the errors and heresies named. ... Briefe animadversions on many of the sectaries late pamphlets, as Lilburnes and Overtons books against the House of Peeres, M. Peters his last report of the English warres, The Lord Mayors farewell from his office of maioralty, M. Goodwins thirty eight queres upon the ordinance against heresies and blasphemies, M. Burtons Conformities deformity, M. Dells sermon before the House of Commons; ... As also some few hints and briefe observations on divers pamphlets written lately against me and some of my books, ... / By Thomas Edvvards Minister of the Gospel.; Gangraena. Part 3	Edwards, Thomas, 1599-1647.	1646 (1646)	Wing E237; Thomason E368_5; ESTC R201273	294,455	360

Banbury Castle must not be slighted they say it may be a Garrison for the Saints it is conceived to be the strongest in England They use an Argument which takes with people much that if they will joyne with them they shall pay no Tythes and some are so foolish to give out there is a considerable party in all Countries where ere they have been that will stand for them so they may be excused for paying Tythes Ninthly Though that Argument do generally take with prophane men yet they see there are a company of godly men that are willing to pay Tythes to them therefore they urge all Arguments against mixed communion and they assure them that the Assembly will beare with all close dangerous Malignants that can speake Greek and Latine if they be not scandalous in their lives and will conforme to the Presbyteriall government and observe the Directorie Tenthly They would not have the old military Orders observed which was set forth by the Earle of Essex that Blasphemers should be bored through the tongue The Argument which they urged was that sinnes whi●h are directly against God should be punnished only by God yet they confesse that bold sinners should be admonished by the Church and beare a spirituall censure I pleaded that men did consist of a soule and body and that both joyned in this sinne the Devill in the soule making use of the tongue to vent Blasphemies against the God of Heaven and therefore it was fit that the tongue should be pnnished and that it was probable that those spirituall meanes should work the better which were used for his reformation and edification and with much adoe by some under-hand dealing with honest Commanders wee prevailed to have the Blasphemer punished I hope there will be a disbanding very shortly if not there are five Regiments that want Colonells and if there could be five Presbyterians put in the Independents would be well ballanced for there are a great many considerable men in this Army well affected to all godly Presbyterians June 3. A Copie of a Lettter to a Member of the House of Commons SIR IF Independents be made Governours of Castles Cities and strong holds as fast as they are taken if under a pretence of frugality for the state and reducing of Regiments Presbyter Commanders are frequently outed and the Independents prefer'd to their places if the souldierie under Presbyterian Commanders be unpaied and thereby inforced to abuse the Country to the dishonour of that party and the contrary party paid and by that meanes gaine affections every where if under a pretence of charity Independents plead in the behalf of the greatest Malignants and by that meanes scrue into their favours to make a party if their agents be working every where to chuse Parliament men of their own opinions if they be devising to send away the Scots into Scotland and the Presbyterian Commanders and souldiers into Ireland ought not these things to be seriously and speedily considered and forthwith indeavours used for the preventing the effects which the premises may produce Your humble servant Some passeges taken out of the Originall Letter sent from a godly Minister in Northamptonshire to a Friend of his a Common-Councell man here in London SOme of Colonell Whalies souldiers quartered with us full of Errours of a high nature The Lord reduce or rebuke them I feare they will scatter much poyson as they spread their quarters alas the poore soules in danger of their seducements They are full of high invectives and scornes against the Parliament Ministery and all kind of religious duties After a fortnights free quarter they had our free leave to march and are marched beyond Market Harborough and are about Lough-Borrow in Lester-shire Though they draw North-ward yet I hope not to the ends that some do hope viz. to encounter with our Brethren I have heard some of them say that had they the opportunity they would be more bitter against them then ever against the Cavaliers but I hope their expectation shall perish Septemb. 1. 1646. The extract of a Letter sent to a Citizen of London from a godly Minister in Darbyshire SEctaries abound strange yea damnable opinions are maintained with much zeal and pretence of conscience by those who I feare were never acquainted with a good conscience Monarchie is misliked and a new fashioned Government too much thirsted after There are so many new fashions in Religion that the true feare of God is almost grown out of fashion Sir I thank you for your remembrance of me and I heare that Master Edwards hath yet more work for a Masse-Priest when it comes out I pray you let me have it August 10. 1646. An extract of a Letter from a godly Minister neer Bristoll to a godly Friend of his in London DEare Friend we have peace for the present and hope of plenty for the future that only which damps our comfort is That whiles the Teachers were removed into corners the envious man hath taken his opportunity and sowen tares which spring up in our neighbour City abundantly and are spread much over the Country the whole Kingdome I think is sick of the same disease Help Lord. A true Copie of a Letter to a tittle of Mr Knollys the Anabaptist which comming to the hands of some of the Committee of Suffolk was shewn me and I extracted it out of the Originall BEloved Brother I salute you in the Lord your Letter I received the last day of the week and upon the first day I did salute the Brethren in your name who resalute you and pray for you The City Presbyterians have sent a Letter to the Synod dated from Sion Colledge against my Toleration and they are fasting and praying at Sion Colledge this day about further contrivings against Gods poor Innocent ones But God will doubtlesse answer them according to the Idoll of their own hearts To morrow there is a Fast kept by both Houses and the Synod at Westminster They say it is to seek God about the establishing of Worship according to their Covenant They have first vowed now they make enquiry God will certainly take the crafty in their own snare and make the wisdome of the wise foolishnesse for he chuseth the foolish things of this world to confound the wise and weak things to confound the mighty My wife and family remembers their love to you Salute the Brethren that are with you farwell Your Brother in the Faith and fellowship of the Gospel Hanserd Knollys London the 13. day of the 11. moneth call'd January 1645. To his beloved Brother Mr John Dutton in Norwich these deliver Leave this Letter at Mr Buttevant his house to be delivered as a bove A Letter from a Sectary with this suprescription To his much honoured Captaine Paul Hobson at Mr Carwithyes house in Exon. Endeared SIR MY best respects and service to you presented That relation which formerly I had unto you hath enboldened me to

greater number then the rich wise c. it must be as they will have things in the Common-wealth and if so let it be considered what may and will be the consequence of that whether not a community yea a making the rich poor and the poor rich servants masters and masters servants and if it must not be so then how is it the state Universall 3. What if this Universall people do not or cannot agree among themselves about the government and governors but some are for one way some for another some for such men others for other men and one sort say they are the most and the other say they are the most who shall have power to judge between them and determine the differences 4. If Power of Government be founded on the consent of persons to be governed what if as great a part of the universall people within a few and may be more considerable chuse another man or men then the other greater part chose must they subject to them whom they like not consent not to or may not they set up those they chuse for the governing of them and suppose twenty such great parties chuse all different men may not each set up and obey only their onwe chosen ones according to this doctrine 5. How where and in what manner shall all the Universall people meet men women servants children poor rich beggars to declare their minds what they would have and how things should be carried and whether ever did they or can they meet to make known their minds and who shall be betrusted to take their minds and report it 6. Whether are not the Sectaries the Uuiversall state of England that pretend to have this power over King Lords Commons and whether do they not mean themselves by it in all their Pamphlets and how do they know many things which they confidently assert of the people in their Pamphlets to be the judgement and intent of any other but of their own Sectarian party 7. I desire to know how many of the persons who have writ all these late Pamphlets against the King House of Lords and of the peoples power over the House of Commons to call them to an account and that they may do nothing but what they give them power to do and they may displace them at pleasure as being chosen by them c. had any voice● or power by the Lawes and Customes of this Kingdome to chuse●any Members for the House of Commons Let Lilburne O 〈…〉 Larner and the rest of that rable who talk so much of the House of Commons being their chosen ones and that a man ought to obey none but whom he chuses with such like name any Knight or Burgesse whom they chose or were capable to chuse for I beleeve they were of so mean estate that they had not so much free-land per annum required by the Statute for them who have voices Electio 〈…〉 of Knights of the ●●ire and as for chusing Bu●gesses in London where they lived they were no Livery men of any of those Companies who have voices in Election so that for ought I know when the House of Commons shall question them for their sedicious Anarchicall Pamphlets a● the Lords have most justly done and by these and many other Acts have end●ered the hearts of thousand to them they may answer the Cōmons as they have done the Lords and tell them they never chose any of them nor gave them any power they were chosen not by the State Universall all the free-men of England but by a few free-holders and some ric● Citizens and tradesmen and therefore let them rule over them if they will and let those who chose them be subject but unlesse they will be content to 〈◊〉 down and be chosen by the Universall people they will not betray their liberty to answer any questions submit to their Authority but appeale from the 〈…〉 to the Universall people or to the Depu 〈…〉 and Trustees which shall be made by this Universall people and that they are likely to do it may be judged by Lilburns carriage to the Committee of Examinations the House of Comm 〈…〉 it self and by the many Pamphlets in the ye●re 1645 set out against the House of Commons and that they may say so upon as good grounds yea by the very same upon which they went in opposing the House of Lords I will undertake to make good and of it the Reader may find more about page 155 156. 8. If all power be founded thus upon Election of the persons to be governed and the Commons have all their power thus from Election and from nothing else whether may any be put by from sitting in the House who are chosen by most voices of those Townes and Counties who send them and others chosen by fewer voices by farre sit in their roomes in the Commons House and whether upon Articles clapt in before proved or complaints by the friends of those who have fewer voices may the Committee of Elections or the House it self put by one chosen by most voices and admit the other and according to this doctrine of the people Universall represented being the Lords and Masters of the Commons and the Commons their Deputies and servants how can they contradict their Lords the people to turn back whom they send and put in others 9. Whether may not according to the Doctrines laid down in the late Pamphlets the Counties add Burgesse Towns who have no Knights or Burgesses there to represent them nor have not had of a long time and can yet get no Writs to chuse for themselves answer the House of Commons when sent for as Lilburne and Overton did the House of Lords We are not bound to obey any of your Orders as having none there that represent us or whose Election we have consented to 10. Whether according to these Doctrines of the Sectaries may not such Cities Townes Counties chuse men without Writs and send them up to Parliament demanding to sit there especially after alleadging Petitions and motions made for Writs to chuse and none granted and whether in such cases whilst Towns are without any Parliament men for them may they not refuse to obey any Ordinances made by those whom they never chose nor know not yea may they not according to this doctrin say that all Ordinances whatsoever made before the time their Representors came in they will give no obedience to 11. If all power be founded thus wholly upon the Election of the people to be governed and that all Governors are their meer Deputies servants may do nothing but what they give them a power to do and by Commission from them whether may the House of Commons exercise that power the Lawes give them and go according to the Priviledges and Customes of that House though the people Represented never gave them any such things in Commission nor do not know nor understand them or must they keep only to what

is the known mind of those Countries and Towns that chose them 12. If all power in Government be founded on immediate Election of the People and no sort of men have power further then the Universall people gave them and because they are Representors Trustees Deputies c. may do nothing against the will and mind of the Major part of the Universall people who chose them whether have all the Parliament-men in all their Votes gone according to the minds and desires of those Cities and places that chose them Represented in Petitions and whether in cases of doubt and yet of great importance have they still called their Countries together to know their minds and whether they were willing such things should be viz. Anabaptists Brownists and all kind of Sectaries to enjoy such freedom of meettings all sorts of ignorant Mechanicks to be suffered to turn preachers and to go up and down seducing people whether so great an Army to be still continued in this Kingdom and they Assessed to pay such Taxes for their maintenance and whether Committees shall be still continued in the Kingdom whether great sums of mony and hundreds of pounds in Land per annum in such necessitous times shall be given away on men who little need it and so in other particulars and if things appear to be against the mind of the generalitie of the people whether are the people bound to obey their Orders and Ordinances in such cases 13. If all power of government be upon Election and the chosen ought to go according to the will of the universality of the people suppose it should so happen in a Common-wealth that the greater part of the chosen should apparently go contrary to the trust reposed in them carry things quite against the mind of the people as of the chief City Country Ministry and none should be pleased with their actions but a pure faction a party of men ingaged by offices places of preferment liberty of licentiousnesse of living against the true Religion by Lawes established whether then with a good conscience may and ought this universall people with the consent and assistance of such Governors chosen by them who are known to be faithfull demand to chuse others in their places require justice upon them and so deliver themselves and their Country 14. Whether or no according to these Doctrines of the Sectaries there be any in this Kingdome have any power of government or whom the people ought to obey seeing there is none among us chosen by the universall people no not the Commons in Parliament but only by a part of the people the Freeholders and free-men of Towns which are not the twentieth part of the people of this Kingdom who yet sure are subject to Lawes and should live under obedience 15. Seeing in all kind of lawfull power and superiority every man that obeyes any should chuse him as the Sectaries speak in their Pamphlets and the power of Colonels Captains Commanders in cheif of such a party over Souldiers is lawfull whether may such whole Companies and particular souldiers in such Companies who have Commanders set over them whom they chose not but were unwilling of and desirous of others only 't is the will of the Generall to have it so answer them when they command them we chose you not we will not obey your commands and whether this would be a good answer of the Presbyterian Companies that have Independent Commanders set over them and well taken at a Councell of Warre And whether Colonel Lilburne in the Army would have taken such an Answer well from his Regiment notwithstanding his brothers doctrine And whether if gallant Colonel Whaley before Worcester should have stood upon this Doctrine that those should command in cheif who had the consent of the souldiery there and the people of those parts and thereupon opposed Colonel Rainborough it had been true Doctrine 16. Whether do not the Sectaries ●ro●●e themselves in their positions about Election that no men have any power over any to question and judge 〈◊〉 who chose them not and whom they represent not when 〈◊〉 they say the House of Commons may question and punish 〈◊〉 and judge the House of Peer being the Soveraign● S 〈…〉 〈◊〉 both of the C●●●on●rs and of the Lords Now certainly neither the King nor the House of Peers chose the House of Commons neither are they the Representors of the King and Peers they represent them not so much as in name having never the Titles of Kings or Lords given them by Lawes and therefore if according to the Sectaries Doctrines the House of Commons have power over King and Lords to judge them which for my part I do not beleeve though they are not their chosen ones then certainly the House of Lords may have power to sentence Lilburne Overton c. though not chosen by them 17. If all power of Government stand solely upon the Election of the present people and hath all its authority upon that whether the power of Governors can continue longer then the people chose them for and suppose the people never intending or once dreaming to chuse them for alwayes but for a time whether when that time they were chosen for expired their power did not also expire and whether may any with a good conscience who beleeves the time is long ago run out for which he chose Burgesses and Knights submit any more to the Summons Orders Censures of the Commons then the Sectaries wil to the H. of Peers and whether can the H. of Commons expect any submission and obedience from the Sectaries who have in the name of thousands declared professedly to the world their time was out for which they were chosen by such a day which day is past and therefore they will find when they come to question some of them roundly upon any of their Ordinances that they will serve them as they do the Lords telling them they have no power over them the time for which they chose them is out 18. Whether according to this Doctrine of all subjection and power founded only in Representation Deputation extending no further then from the Represented to the Representors may not the Ministery of the Kingdome plead exemption from the power of the Commons as the Sectaries do from the Lords saying they have no Ministers there to sit in that House to represent them or who have Deputation from them there may possibly be some Imitators of them in the House of Commons Lay Preachers and gifted Brethren imitating them in their work of Ministry as Apes use to imitate men in the works of their calling but no Representors of them 19. If nothing the representative do be valid or binding but what the greater number of the Universal have given power in whether may not will not the people question all Votes Orders Ordinances as not being tied to them because they know not that the Universall people consented and so every thing

or any of the money Upon this he went to a Counsellor at Law one Mr. W. related his case desiring his councell in it He advised him to make no words of it say nothing but at the Sessions endite him and get a Warrant of a Suddain before he could take councell to fetch him away and it may be being so surprised he would pay him the money rather then stand it out to answer it at the Sessions The Citizen followed his advise when the Sessions came had a bill drawn against him the Atturney who had seen the Bond witnessed there was such a speciall tye the Bill was found and a Warrant sent out for to attach him the Officer serving it and threatning presently to carry him away thereupon this Sectary confessed his evill he entreated his mercy that he would not shame him publikely it should be a warning to him for ever after and so he paying the money the man prosecuted him no further A Relation of some remarkeable Passages of divers Sectaries and of the Contents of severall Letters written up here to London from good hands conc●rning them THere is one Mr. Knollys an Anabaptist spoken of in my first part of Gangraena and in this third part page 48. 49. a Letter of his is printed this man preaches up and down in severall Churches in London and Southwark● and that with all fiercenesse against Childrens Baptisme and against our Ministers as being Antichristian and having no call to baptize and among other places where he hath preached lately he preached this Novemb. the 15. at Georges Church in Butolph-lane in the afternoone on these words He that beleeveth and is baptized shall be saved where after he had spoken of beleeving in the latter part of his Sermon comming to speak of baptizing he used these words I have spoken to you of the first part of the Gospell believing I must be faithfull and speak to you of the second viz. baptizing and of that there is as great a necessity as believing and therefore I advise and charge all you who believe to be baptized and whereas it may be you will object you are baptized already I answer that is a lye indeed you were rantized but not baptized and that too was into the name of your God-fathers which was blasphemy and not into the name of the Father Sonne and Holy Ghost besides they who did it had nothing to do with Baptisme as being no Ministers but Antichristian and whereas heretofore these Ministers of the Church of England rantized into the name of their Godfathers now to mend the matter they do it into the name of their Fathers There is one Mr. Symonds a great Sectarie Mr. Cradocks Colleague who came to London since the wars and preached at little Alhallowes Thames-street and at the Tower where I have been informed from godly understanding men as well Ministers as others that he hath preached severall strange things as for a Toleration and liberty for all men to worship God according to their consciences and in favour of Antipaedobaptisme and so preaching once at Andrewes Vndershaf● for Mr. Goodwin he preached high strains of Antinomianisme as that Christ was a legall Preacher and liv'd in a dark time and so preached the Law but afterwards the Gospel came to be preached and preaching at Laurence Pountneys summer was twelvemoneth on the day of thanksgiving for taking of Sherborn Castle he spake of the great Victories the Saints had obtained for us viz. the Independents and yet now the Parliament was making Lawes against these Saints with other things to that purpose and as at London he hath preached thus so since he left London this last Summer he preached at Bath before the Generall strange stuffe as I have been told from understanding men who heard him viz. against Presbytery saying it was a limb of Antichrist pleading for liberty of conscience and for those who would not have their children baptized till they came to years of understanding and for Weavers and ignorant mechanicks preaching and speaking of these mens guifts and having the spirit before learned men and men bred at Universities with a great deale of this stuffe insomuch that Mr. Bode● Minister of the Bath as I was informed confuted his Sermon the next Lords day and spake against it insomuch that ●ome of the Independent Souldiers as C. B. c. ●lung out of the Church in the midst of the Sermon and would not heare him out and truly 't is a sad thing that Sir Thomas Fairfax that valiant and well-affected Gentleman should have such kind of Chaplains and Preachers upon all occasions to preach before him as Mr. Dell Mr. Saltmarsh Mr. Peters Mr. Cradock M. Symonds M. William Sedgwick and such like and I have spoken the more of this Mr. Symonds because I hear he is nominated for one of the Itinerary Preachers of VVales that so the Country and Ministers may be ware of him where he comes and that the Assembly when he comes to be approved of may doe their duties and not let him passe so easily as they did Mr. Cradock There is Mr. Burton of London a great Independent who hath these five last years written many wild and weak Pamphlets beginning with his Pr●testation Protested and ending with his Conformities Deformitie in which Pamphlets the poore man hath laid down many grounds of Donatisme and pure Brownisme yea of Libertinisme and of a generall Toleration of all Religions and hath laid about him striking all who have come neere him without feare or wit whether whole Assemblies and Societies or particular persons he hath cast durt in the face of the Church of Scotland and their generall Assembly our Assembly this famous City of London and the Honourable Court of Common Councell the Ministers of Sion Colledge particular Ministers M. Calamie my selfe and others nay he hath not spared his Brother Prynne his Brother Bastwick his good old friend M. Vicars and in all these five years among all the Books he hath put forth notwithstanding all the damnable Hereticks and Blasphemers among us hath not had the heart to speak one word for God against them which gives too just ground for the world to thinke M. Burtons former oppositions of Arminianisme Popery c. was not out of zeale for God and his truth and hatred of those errours but out of discontent and spleen against the Bishops who had crossed him in his hopes of preferment For if it had been out of zeale against the errours and not out of anger against the men how could he thus patiently beare all the injuries and dishonours of Christ and his truth done by other men even a hundred times worse then before Did Mr. Burton know what some of his wisest Brethren have said and do say of his Books he would give over writing as that his writings are weake and do more hurt then good would to God he would give over his writing Shall I tell M. Burton what Mr. Nye