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A70490 Londons liberties, or, A learned argument of law and reason, before the Lord Mayor, Court of Aldermen, and Common-Council, at Guild-Hall between Mr. Maynard, now the Kings eldest serjeant at law, Mr. Hales, late Lord Chief Justice of the Kings Bench, and Mr. Wilde, lately one of the justices of the same court, of council for the Livery-men of London, and Major John Wildman, and Mr. John Price, of council for the Freemen of London : wherein the freedom of the citizens of London in their elections of their mayor, sheriffs, aldermen, and common-council-men, is fully debated, their most ancient charters examined, and on both hands agreed to be but a confirmation of their former rights : with their opinions concerning the forfeiture of Londons charter. Maynard, John, Sir, 1602-1690.; Wildman, John, Sir, 1621?-1693.; Wilde, William, Sir, 1611?-1679.; Hale, Matthew, Sir, 1609-1676. 1682 (1682) Wing L2936B; ESTC R14306 40,443 37

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