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A60564 The Quaker disarm'd, or, A true relation of a late publick dispute held at Cambridge by three eminent Quakers against one scholar of Cambridge ; with a letter in defence of the ministry and against lay-preachers ; also several quæries proposed to the Quakers to be answered if they can. Smith, Thomas, 1623 or 4-1661.; Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723.; Allen, William, d. 1686.; Fox, George, 1624-1691. 1659 (1659) Wing S4227; ESTC R18877 22,488 24

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other time 20. And now I proceed to the 2d generall head which I promised to prove viz. That 't is a dangerous sin in him to preach as he did and in the people to hear him I argued to him thus To do that which God strictly forbids all holy men both under the Old and New Testament is to commit a dangerous sins But to preach publickly as he did being not ordained is to do that which God ●rictly forbids all holy men both under the Old and New Testament Therefore the doing it is to commit a dangerous sin 21. For the Old Testament I proved that all Gods people who were not ordained or consecrated to be Priests were forbid to meddle with any Sacerdotall Office Num. 18.22 23. Ex. 28.1 And as by these two places so by two examples of Gods dreadfull judgment upon Vzza and Vzzia who offended against this Law Vzzia though he were a King and so you 'l say might take more upon him then any Subject was withstood by the Priests and forbid to burn incense before the Lord while the censure was in his hand the Leprosy arose in his forehead and continued there as a brand upon him as long as he had a day to live 2 Chron. 26.16 c Vzza did but put forth his hand to take hold of the Ark to stay it from falling while the Oxen shook it and presently the anger of the Lord was kindled against him and God smote him dead upon the place 2 Sam 6.6 7. To which add the judgments that fell upon Cora and his company who for offering incense were swallowed up alive by the earth Num. 16.3.39 40 Upon Ieroboam and his family who for setting up Priests of the meanest of the People who were not of the sons of Levi 1 Kin. 12.13 Had those fearfull curses denounced against them c. 14.10 I will take away the remnant of the house of Ieroboam as a man takes away dung till it be all gone Him that dyes of Ieroboam in the City shall the Dogs eat and him that dyes in the Field shall the fouls of the Air eat for the Lord hath spoken it 22. For the new Testament I urged Heb. 5.4 No man takes this office to himself unless called of God as was Aaron For there be Evangelical Priests and Altars as well Legal which appeares Heb. 12.10 And in many other places of that Epistle Christ was faithfull in all his house as was Aaron Heb. 3.2 And if he was so faithfull in his house that is the Church then he appointed some to Minister as well as Aaron did As Aaron made Legal Priests so Christ Evangelical Ministers As Aaron had an Altar circumcision and the passover so Christ the Lords Table Baptisme and the Eucharist 23. When he ascended he gave some Apostles some Prophets some Evangelists some Pastors and Teachers for the perfecting of the Saints for the work of the Ministry c. Till we all come in the unity of the faith that is till the end of the World He gave some Pastors therefore not all Every man may not take upon him to be a Pastor nor a Prophet because Christ appointed onely some Eph. 4.11 24. Nor is there any thing more Evident in all the Book of God than that there ought to be a distinction of Sheepheards and flocks Learners and Teachers some that are charged with the cure of Souls others that are charged to attend and obey Heb. 13.17 Some that are separated from the affaires of this life that they may give themselves wholly to reading 1 Tim. 4.5 to exhortation to Doctrine and therefore are to be partakers of other mens temporals that others may be partakers of their Spiritualls Others to plow and sow and harrow the ground and use other lawfull trades working with their hands the thing that is good that they may have to give to him that needeth 25. I beseech you to lay aside passion and consider some day when you retir● from your worldly affaires whether it be possible that that power which at fo●● severall times upon four severall occasions our Blessed Saviour did mentio● and give to the Apostles could expire with their persons Some things o● great concernment he mentions but once in all the Scripture as upon wha● heads chiefly we shall be examined at the day of judgment and the speech tha● he will then make Mat. 25.34 And when he who was the Wisdome of the Father names a thing not only four times but upon four notable occasions can you imagine that matter a trifle and intended only for some very few years The thing which I mean is the power not only of preaching the Gospell and administring the Sacraments but also of remitting and retaining sins which was mentioned by Christ 1. Upon occasion of St. Peters confessing him promising and foretelling that he would enstate it upon the Apostles Matt. 16.19 2ly Upon occasion of exemplifying that necessary truth that the cheif end of Christs coming into the World was to save that which was lost Matt. 18.11 He speaks of the institution of this power as evidently instrumentall to that design 3ly Immediately before his final departure out of this World he enstated them initially in this ghostly power Ioh. 20.21.22 with significant ceremonies and important circumstances saying As my Father hath sent me so send I you He breathed on them and said receive the H. Ghost Lastly immediately after his Ascention sending the great promise of his Father Luk. 24.49 T is absurd to think that this power thus insisted on by Christ thus given to the Apostles was to expire with their persons especially considering that at his bestowing it on them He promised to be with them to the end of the World Matt. 28.20 26. I hope you l not wonder I mention this power which our Saviour gave his Ministers of remitting and retaining sins when I believe this very Tinker arrogates it to himself as well as the power to preach For in the midst of our forementioned dispute about his false doctrines he breaking out into very many impertinent di●erting questions as asking me when I was converted what were the signes at length he demanded what were the particular sins which I confessed to Almighty God when I last received the body and blood of Iesus Christ As if I were bound to confesse my private sins not only to him when as I told him God hath not made you my Confessour but also to the meanest of all the vulgar in the Country 27. But to proceed The Apostle asks Rom. 10.15 how shall they preach unles they be sent He puts the question as if he should say what man in his wits can think it lawfull who that hath read one leafe either of the law or Gospell 28. Considering the examples not only of Vzza and Vzzia under the Old Testament but in the New of Matthias who had been as well as any man else a witness of the Doctrine and life and miracles of our