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the_o commandment_n of_o god_n and_o faith_n of_o jesus_n see_v rev._n 14.9.10.11.12_o &_o 17_o 1-6_a &_o 18.2.3.4.5_o 2._o thes_n 2_o 3-12_a exod._n 20_o 4.5_o that_o it_o be_v your_o case_n appear_v by_o your_o hierarchy_n leitourgy_n confusion_n of_o people_n court_n canon_n dispensation_n licence_n suspension_n excommunication_n &c._n &c._n practise_v maintain_v and_o yield_v unto_o by_o your_o church_n minister_n and_o people_n frame_v also_o according_a to_o the_o image_n and_o fashion_n of_o the_o romish_a apostasy_n which_o yourselves_o confess_v to_o be_v that_o beast_n speak_v of_o in_o the_o revelation_n 6._o together_o with_o these_o remember_v also_o the_o particular_n which_o i_o note_v before_o concern_v this_o point_n pag._n 22._o 31._o 60._o 63._o 73._o 94._o 103._o 114._o 122._o 126._o 129._o 133._o in_o which_o place_n you_o may_v mind_n divers_a the_o like_a with_o further_a proof_n thereof_o and_o so_o for_o the_o present_n let_v this_o suffice_v till_o we_o see_v 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be_v 2.3_o be_v 1_o tim._n 4.1.3_o rev._n 17.4.5_o 2_o thes_n 2.3_o doctrine_n of_o devil_n fornication_n and_o abomination_n of_o the_o whore_n of_o babylon_n apostasy_n of_o antichrist_n the_o man_n of_o sin_n that_o you_o dare_v say_v be_v but_o as_o the_o taint_n of_o evil_a in_o a_o christian_a belike_o you_o will_v have_v we_o see_v this_o very_a prophecy_n fulfil_v in_o yourself_o viz_n that_o you_o be_v lead_v with_o the_o spirit_n of_o error_n and_o have_v your_o conscience_n sear_v with_o a_o hot_a iron_n 1_o tim._n 4.1.2_o otherwise_o how_o can_v you_o thus_o lewd_o speak_v lie_n in_o hypocrisy_n if_o you_o be_v guide_v by_o the_o spirit_n of_o truth_n and_o make_v any_o conscience_n of_o that_o you_o say_v but_o yet_o further_o to_o show_v that_o you_o have_v get_v the_o very_a habit_n of_o falsehood_n you_o shame_v not_o to_o call_v that_o a_o wicked_a slander_v which_o all_o the_o world_n may_v see_v be_v most_o true_a for_o proof_n whereof_o compare_v but_o your_o reply_v here_o with_o the_o jesuites_n note_n upon_o 1_o tim._n 4._o thus_o they_o write_v 4._o rhem._n teâ—â—_n on_o 1_o tim._n 4._o first_o in_o their_o marginal_a note_n we_o see_v plain_o by_o these_o word_n such_o abstinence_n only_o to_o be_v disallow_v as_o condemn_v the_o creature_n of_o god_n to_o be_v naught_o by_o nature_n and_o creation_n then_o in_o their_o annotation_n follow_v they_o labour_v to_o prove_v that_o here_o the_o apostle_n speak_v of_o the_o manichee_n encratites_n marcionist_n etc._n etc._n towch_v who_o they_o say_v they_o think_v that_o marriage_n be_v of_o satan_n and_o condemn_v divers_a creature_n as_o thing_n by_o nature_n and_o creation_n pollute_v and_o abominable_a and_o then_o they_o add_v lo_o these_o be_v the_o heretic_n and_o their_o heresye_n which_o s._n paul_n here_o prophecy_v of_o that_o forbid_v marriage_n and_o meat_n as_o you_o have_v hear_v etc._n etc._n these_o be_v their_o own_o word_n and_o thus_o they_o labour_v in_o vain_a as_o 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be_v here_o in_o the_o field_n of_o this_o world_n mat._n 13.19.24.37.38.41.43.52_o compare_v with_o gen._n 28.17_o 1_o cor._n 3.16.17_o 2_o cor._n 6.16.17.18_o ephes_n 2.21.22_o mat._n 8.12_o &_o 16.18.19.28_o &_o 21.43_o &_o 22.12.13.14_o &_o 25.1_o etc._n etc._n luk._n 8.1_o &_o 11.20_o &_o 13.18_o &_o 17.20_o â—1_n joh_n 1.49.51_o act._n 1.3_o 1_o tim._n 3.15_o &_o 5.24.25_o &_o 6.3.5_o &_o 2._o tim._n 2.20.21_o &_o 3.5_o and_o further_o if_o christ_n meaning_n be_v that_o man_n shall_v here_o still_o dear_a and_o partake_v with_o the_o know_v wicked_a and_o profane_a notwithstanding_o that_o their_o estate_n then_o by_o this_o it_o will_v follow_v that_o there_o shall_v neither_o be_v use_n of_o excommunication_n in_o the_o church_n nor_o punishment_n of_o malefactor_n in_o the_o commonwealth_n which_o can_v not_o but_o be_v the_o destruction_n of_o both_o and_o be_v direct_o contrary_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n in_o other_o scripture_n as_o namely_o in_o mat._n 18.17.18_o and_o 26.52_o rom._n 13.4_o 1_o cor._n 5._o chap._n 1_o tim._n 1.20_o final_o this_o their_o doctrine_n aforesaid_a be_v against_o the_o express_a commandment_n of_o god_n the_o heavenly_a order_n of_o christ_n in_o his_o church_n and_o the_o continual_a practice_n of_o the_o prophet_n apostle_n and_o faithful_a in_o all_o age_n for_o which_o see_v these_o scripture_n gen._n 17.14_o and_o 19_o 12-16_a lev._n 18.29.30_o and_o 20_o 22-26_a numb_a 16_o 23-26_a ezra_n 6.21_o &_o 9.14_o esa_n 8.12.18_o and_o .44.5_o &_o 52.11_o jer._n 15.19_o ezeh_n 22.26_o zach_n 2.7_o &_o 8.21_o 22.23_o mal._n 3.16.17.18_o mat._n 18.8.9.15.16.17.18_o act_n 2.40.41.47_o and_o 5.28.29_o and_o 17.4.7.34_o and_o 19.9_o rom._n 16.17_o 1_o cor._n 1.26.27_o and_z 5_o 4-7_a 2_o cor._n 6.17_o 1_o tim._n 6.3.4.5_o 2_o joh._n vers_fw-la 6.10_o 11._o jud._n vers_fw-la 3.21.22.23_o rev._n 2._o &_o 3._o chap._n &_o 14.9.12_o &_o 17.14_o &_o 18.4_o &_o 20.4_o 5._o that_o the_o people_n may_v tolerate_v &_o join_v with_o open_a iniquity_n in_o the_o church_n until_o by_o the_o magistrate_n it_o be_v redress_v which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o these_o scripture_n 2_o cor._n 10.4.5_o mat._n 28.20_o act._n 2.40_o &_o 3.23_o &_o 4.19_o &_o 9.26_o &_o 19.9_o 1_o tim._n 5.22_o deu._n 5.32_o &_o 12.32_o 6._o that_o the_o gift_n of_o interpretation_n and_o application_n of_o the_o scripture_n be_v a_o sufficient_a and_o lawful_a call_n to_o the_o ministry_n &c_n &c_n which_o doctrine_n be_v both_o false_a and_o anabaptisticall_a contrary_a to_o the_o scripture_n heb._n 5.4_o rom._n 12.6.7.8_o levit._fw-la 22.25_o ezech._n 44.8.9_o &c_n &c_n numb_a 1.51_o &_o 3.10.38_o &_o 16.40_o &_o 18.2.3.4_o act._n 1.20.26_o &_o 13.2.3_o &_o 14.23_o 7._o that_o the_o church_n may_v yield_v obedience_n unto_o other_o law_n canon_n tradition_n officer_n and_o office_n than_o god_n have_v prescribe_v in_o his_o covenant_n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o gen._n 49.10_o mat._n 6.24_o john_n 10.4.5_o rev._n 14.4_o &_o 22.18.19_o heb._n 3.1_o etc._n etc._n 8._o that_o the_o church_n may_v read_v other_o man_n word_n upon_o a_o book_n and_o offer_v they_o up_o to_o god_n as_o their_o own_o prayer_n and_o sacrifice_n in_o the_o public_a assembly_n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o the_o scripture_n esay_n 29.13.14_o rom._n 8.26_o 1_o cor._n 14.15_o mat._n 6.6.9_o &_o 15.9_o mar._n 7.7_o exod._n 30.9_o with_o psal_n 141.2_o rev._n 5.8_o &_o 8.3.4_o jud._n vers_fw-la 20._o ephes_n 4.7.8_o &_o 6.18_o 1_o pet._n 2.5_o 9_o that_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o join_v with_o the_o ministry_n of_o dumb_a and_o idol_n priest_n and_o to_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n at_o their_o hand_n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o mat._n 15.14_o &_o 7.15_o &_o 24.24.25_o esa_n 56.10_o john_n 10.1.5_o num._n 16.5.9.24.26.39.40_o etc._n etc._n 1_o tim._n 3.2_o &_o 6.5_o 2_o john_n vers_fw-la 6.11_o 10._o that_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o a_o minister_n of_o christ_n to_o cease_v preach_v and_o forsake_v his_o flock_n at_o the_o commandment_n of_o the_o lord_n bishop_n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o 1_o cor._n 9_o 16._o esay_n 62.1.6.7_o jer._n 48.10_o zach._n 11.17_o john_n 10.11.12.13_o act._n 4.18.19.20_o &_o 5.29_o amos_n 7.12.13.14.15_o 2_o tim._n 4.2_o 11._o that_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n have_v not_o always_o power_n to_o bind_v and_o loose_v to_o receive_v in_o and_o to_o cast_v out_o by_o the_o key_n of_o his_o kingdom_n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o mat._n 18.17.18_o psal_n 149.9_o 1_o cor._n 5.4.5.12_o num._n 5.2.3_o 12._o that_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o the_o people_n of_o god_n to_o hear_v notorious_a false_a prophet_n in_o their_o ministry_n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o deut._n 18.15_o mat._n 17.5_o &_o 7.15_o 2_o john_n vers_fw-la 10_o 11._o 1_o cor._n 10.18_o gal._n 1.8.9_o rev._n 14.9.10.11_o &_o 18.4_o john_n 10.5_o 13._o that_o it_o be_v the_o church_n and_o house_n of_o god_n the_o body_n and_o kingdom_n of_o christ_n where_o he_o reign_v not_o by_o his_o own_o ordinance_n &_o officer_n but_o the_o high_a ecclesiastical_a authority_n be_v in_o the_o hand_n of_o strange_a lord_n &_o antichristian_a prelate_n who_o also_o govern_v by_o romish_a cannon_n and_o not_o according_a to_o the_o law_n of_o christ_n testament_n which_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n be_v condemn_v by_o luke_n 19.14.27_o john_n 15.14_o rom._n 6.16_o luke_n 22.25_o 26._o 1_o pet._n 5.3_o 2_o thes_n 2.3.4.8_o john_n 3.35.36_o rev._n 9.3_o &_o 14.9.10.11_o &_o 19.14.15.19_o 14._o that_o there_o may_v be_v a_o prescript_n leiturgy_n and_o set_a form_n of_o service_n in_o the_o church_n frame_v by_o man_n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o deut._n 5.8_o esa_n 29.13.14_o mat._n 15.9_o mar._n 7.6.7_o gal._n 3.15_o john_n 4.24_o rom._n 8.26.27_o ephes_n 4.7.8_o col._n 2.23_o 15._o that_o a_o antichristian_a prelate_n notwithstanding_o his_o dignity_n as_o it_o be_v call_v spiritual_a may_v be_v a_o civil_a magistrate_n and_o obey_v of_o the_o people_n as_o their_o lawful_a governor_n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o rom._n 13.1_o etc._n etc._n mat._n 20.25.26_o mar._n 10.42.43_o luke_n 22.25.26_o rev._n 14.9.10.11_o and_o 17.14.16.18_o 16._o that_o man_n may_v give_v the_o title_n of_o christ_n jesus_n to_o these_o son_n of_o man_n his_o mortal_a enemy_n to_o call_v they_o their_o archbishop_n lordbishop_n father_n lord_n etc._n etc._n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o 1_o pet._n 5.3.4_o with_o 2.25_o mat._n 23.8.9.10_o esa_n 42.8_o and_o 48.11_o prov._n 17.15_o and_o 24.24_o esay_n 5.20_o 2_o cor._n 6.14.17_o 17._o that_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o a_o minister_n of_o christ_n to_o be_v maintain_v in_o his_o ministry_n by_o jewish_a and_o popish_a tithe_n chrisome_n offering_n &_o &_o which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o heb._n 7.12_o 1_o cor._n 9.13.14_o 1_o thes_n 5.12.13_o pro._n 27.26.27_o phil._n 4.10.18_o rom._n 15.27_o gal._n 6.6_o these_o be_v the_o point_n of_o false_a doctrine_n mention_v *_o before_o in_o the_o proof_n of_o this_o reason_n 155._o pag._n 155._o which_o you_o have_v leave_v altogether_o unanswered_a as_o also_o your_o canon_n article_n injunction_n etc._n etc._n and_o thus_o be_v you_o drive_v again_o and_o again_o whether_o you_o will_v or_o not_o to_o yield_v the_o cause_n that_o which_o you_o add_v in_o the_o next_o place_n of_o your_o not_o whole_o deny_v the_o truth_n nor_o fundamental_o nor_o obstinate_o perverse_o and_o desperate_o any_o part_n thereof_o be_v answer_v before_o in_o the_o second_o exception_n and_o sixth_o and_o seven_o reason_n where_o you_o say_v you_o be_v not_o herein_o like_o those_o jew_n act._n 19.9_o who_o paul_n separate_v from_o which_o he_o do_v not_o from_o all_o other_o jew_n act._n 13.14_o and_o 16.3_o and_o 21.23.24.26_o and_o 3.1_o you_o say_v nothing_o to_o any_o purpose_n for_o what_o though_o you_o be_v not_o in_o all_o respect_n like_o those_o jew_n be_v you_o not_o therefore_o to_o be_v 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