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lord_n be_o holy_a and_o i_o have_v separate_v you_o from_o other_o people_n that_o you_o shall_v be_v i_o lev._n 20.22.26_o so_o the_o child_n of_o israel_n which_o be_v come_v again_o out_o of_o captivity_n and_o all_o such_o as_o have_v separate_v themselves_o unto_o they_o from_o the_o filthiness_n of_o the_o heathen_a of_o the_o land_n to_o seek_v the_o lord_n god_n of_o israel_n do_v eat_v etc._n etc._n ezra_n 6.21_o depart_v depart_v you_o go_v out_o from_o thence_o and_o touch_v no_o unclean_a thing_n go_v out_o of_o the_o midst_n of_o she_o be_v you_o clean_o that_o bear_v the_o vessel_n of_o the_o lord_n esa_n 52.11_o fly_v from_o the_o midst_n of_o babel_n and_o depart_v out_o of_o the_o land_n of_o the_o chaldaean_n jer._n 50.8_o and_o fly_v out_o of_o the_o midst_n of_o babel_n and_o deliver_v every_o man_n his_o soul_n from_o the_o fierce_a wrath_n of_o the_o lord_n jer._n 5â—_n 6.45_o come_v not_o you_o to_o gilgall_n neither_o go_v you_o up_o to_o bethaven_n hos_fw-la 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namely_o in_o mat._n 18.17.18_o and_o 26.52_o rom._n 13.4_o 1_o cor._n 5._o chap._n 1_o tim._n 1.20_o final_o this_o their_o doctrine_n aforesaid_a be_v against_o the_o express_a commandment_n of_o god_n the_o heavenly_a order_n of_o christ_n in_o his_o church_n and_o the_o continual_a practice_n of_o the_o prophet_n apostle_n and_o faithful_a in_o all_o age_n for_o which_o see_v these_o scripture_n gen._n 17.14_o and_o 19_o 12-16_a lev._n 18.29.30_o and_o 20_o 22-26_a numb_a 16_o 23-26_a ezra_n 6.21_o &_o 9.14_o esa_n 8.12.18_o and_o .44.5_o &_o 52.11_o jer._n 15.19_o ezeh_n 22.26_o zach_n 2.7_o &_o 8.21_o 22.23_o mal._n 3.16.17.18_o mat._n 18.8.9.15.16.17.18_o act_n 2.40.41.47_o and_o 5.28.29_o and_o 17.4.7.34_o and_o 19.9_o rom._n 16.17_o 1_o cor._n 1.26.27_o and_z 5_o 4-7_a 2_o cor._n 6.17_o 1_o tim._n 6.3.4.5_o 2_o joh._n vers_fw-la 6.10_o 11._o jud._n vers_fw-la 3.21.22.23_o rev._n 2._o &_o 3._o chap._n &_o 14.9.12_o &_o 17.14_o &_o 18.4_o &_o 20.4_o 5._o that_o the_o people_n 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6.24_o john_n 10.4.5_o rev._n 14.4_o &_o 22.18.19_o heb._n 3.1_o etc._n etc._n 8._o that_o the_o church_n may_v read_v other_o man_n word_n upon_o a_o book_n and_o offer_v they_o up_o to_o god_n as_o their_o own_o prayer_n and_o sacrifice_n in_o the_o public_a assembly_n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o the_o scripture_n esay_n 29.13.14_o rom._n 8.26_o 1_o cor._n 14.15_o mat._n 6.6.9_o &_o 15.9_o mar._n 7.7_o exod._n 30.9_o with_o psal_n 141.2_o rev._n 5.8_o &_o 8.3.4_o jud._n vers_fw-la 20._o ephes_n 4.7.8_o &_o 6.18_o 1_o pet._n 2.5_o 9_o that_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o join_v with_o the_o ministry_n of_o dumb_a and_o idol_n priest_n and_o to_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n at_o their_o hand_n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o mat._n 15.14_o &_o 7.15_o &_o 24.24.25_o esa_n 56.10_o john_n 10.1.5_o num._n 16.5.9.24.26.39.40_o etc._n etc._n 1_o tim._n 3.2_o &_o 6.5_o 2_o john_n vers_fw-la 6.11_o 10._o that_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o a_o minister_n of_o christ_n to_o cease_v preach_v and_o forsake_v his_o flock_n at_o the_o commandment_n of_o the_o lord_n bishop_n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o 1_o cor._n 9_o 16._o esay_n 62.1.6.7_o jer._n 48.10_o zach._n 11.17_o john_n 10.11.12.13_o act._n 4.18.19.20_o &_o 5.29_o amos_n 7.12.13.14.15_o 2_o tim._n 4.2_o 11._o that_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n have_v not_o always_o power_n to_o bind_v and_o loose_v to_o receive_v in_o and_o to_o cast_v out_o by_o the_o key_n of_o his_o kingdom_n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o mat._n 18.17.18_o psal_n 149.9_o 1_o cor._n 5.4.5.12_o num._n 5.2.3_o 12._o that_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o the_o people_n of_o god_n to_o hear_v notorious_a false_a prophet_n in_o their_o ministry_n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o deut._n 18.15_o mat._n 17.5_o &_o 7.15_o 2_o john_n vers_fw-la 10_o 11._o 1_o cor._n 10.18_o gal._n 1.8.9_o rev._n 14.9.10.11_o &_o 18.4_o john_n 10.5_o 13._o that_o it_o be_v the_o church_n and_o house_n of_o god_n the_o body_n and_o kingdom_n 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and_o obey_v of_o the_o people_n as_o their_o lawful_a governor_n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o rom._n 13.1_o etc._n etc._n mat._n 20.25.26_o mar._n 10.42.43_o luke_n 22.25.26_o rev._n 14.9.10.11_o and_o 17.14.16.18_o 16._o that_o man_n may_v give_v the_o title_n of_o christ_n jesus_n to_o these_o son_n of_o man_n his_o mortal_a enemy_n to_o call_v they_o their_o archbishop_n lordbishop_n father_n lord_n etc._n etc._n which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o 1_o pet._n 5.3.4_o with_o 2.25_o mat._n 23.8.9.10_o esa_n 42.8_o and_o 48.11_o prov._n 17.15_o and_o 24.24_o esay_n 5.20_o 2_o cor._n 6.14.17_o 17._o that_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o a_o minister_n of_o christ_n to_o be_v maintain_v in_o his_o ministry_n by_o jewish_a and_o popish_a tithe_n chrisome_n offering_n &_o &_o which_o doctrine_n be_v contrary_a to_o heb._n 7.12_o 1_o cor._n 9.13.14_o 1_o thes_n 5.12.13_o pro._n 27.26.27_o phil._n 4.10.18_o rom._n 15.27_o gal._n 6.6_o these_o be_v the_o point_n of_o false_a 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19.9_o compare_v now_o your_o case_n with_o they_o and_o answer_v for_o yourselves_o be_v not_o you_o harden_v against_o the_o truth_n let_v your_o writing_n against_o it_o your_o imprison_n banish_v and_o kill_v for_o it_o give_v evidence_n do_v you_o not_o also_o disobey_v it_o let_v your_o constitution_n and_o practice_n be_v witness_n and_o do_v you_o not_o speak_v evil_a of_o the_o way_n of_o god_n before_o the_o multitude_n let_v the_o sermon_n of_o your_o minister_n bear_v record_n your_o book_n also_o and_o ill_a speech_n of_o your_o prelate_n judge_n people_n etc._n etc._n therefore_o by_o that_o scripture_n you_o be_v to_o be_v separate_v from_o whereunto_o may_v be_v add_v in_o this_o case_n that_o which_o peter_n say_v act._n 2._o save_o yourselves_o from_o this_o froward_a generation_n three_o where_o you_o object_n that_o paul_n do_v not_o separate_v from_o all_o the_o other_o jew_n as_o he_o do_v from_o these_o act._n 19_o and_o show_v it_o by_o act._n 13.14_o &_o 16.3_o 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