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power_n to_o be_v in_o one_o and_o the_o subordinate_a office_n to_o be_v in_o many_o and_o orosius_n say_v 1._o that_o both_o the_o philosopher_n and_o common_a heathen_n do_v believe_v one_o god_n the_o author_n of_o all_o thing_n but_o under_o this_o god_n they_o worship_v many_o inferior_a and_o subservient_fw-fr go_n in_o the_o council_n of_o carthage_n under_o cyprian_a saturninus_n a_o tucca_n who_o be_v both_o a_o bishop_n and_o confessor_n say_v that_o the_o heathen_a idolater_n do_v acknowledge_v and_o confess_v the_o supreme_a god_n goulant_a father_n and_o creator_n and_o this_o be_v so_o know_v a_o thing_n that_o faustus_n the_o manichee_n charge_v the_o christian_n with_o be_v of_o the_o same_o faith_n with_o the_o pagan_n 10._o as_o to_o one_o supreme_a god_n
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intention_n to_o christ_n in_o offering_n himself_o on_o the_o cross_n to_o the_o father_n and_o so_o it_o may_v become_v their_o act_n as_o well_o as_o christ_n but_o in_o my_o mind_n your_o phrase_n of_o hear_v and_o see_v mass_n be_v much_o more_o proper_a if_o man_n be_v bind_v either_o to_o hear_v or_o see_v which_o your_o casuist_n say_v they_o be_v not_o than_o this_o of_o unite_n their_o intention_n with_o the_o priest_n which_o be_v absurd_a and_o ridiculous_a do_v t._n g._n so_o little_o consider_v the_o honour_n of_o the_o priestly_a office_n as_o to_o talk_v of_o the_o people_n unite_n their_o intention_n with_o the_o priest_n in_o the_o oblation_n of_o the_o sacrifice_n the_o next_o step_n may_v be_v that_o the_o sacrifice_a may_v depend_v on_o the_o people_n intention_n as_o well_o as_o the_o priest_n and_o what_o a_o case_n be_v you_o in_o then_o aquinas_n and_o cajetan_n be_v much_o wise_a than_o t._n g._n in_o this_o matter_n for_o they_o both_o declare_v that_o this_o sacrifice_n belong_v only_o to_o the_o priest_n and_o not_o to_o the_o people_n 205._o as_o dr._n st._n tell_v t._n g._n r._n p._n t._n g._n say_v he_o can_v find_v the_o citation_n in_o the_o place_n quote_v by_o he_o but_o he_o dare_v affirm_v that_o cajetan_a be_v not_o so_o silly_a a_o divine_a as_o to_o deny_v it_o to_o belong_v to_o the_o people_n to_o offer_v the_o sacrifice_n by_o and_o with_o the_o priest_n 525._o p._n d._n and_o i_o dare_v affirm_v cajetan_n be_v much_o wise_a than_o to_o say_v that_o the_o offer_v the_o sacrifice_n do_v in_o any_o sense_n belong_v to_o the_o people_n and_o so_o much_o t._n g._n may_v have_v find_v in_o the_o place_n cite_v by_o the_o doctor_n only_a qu._n 86._o be_v put_v for_o q._n 85._o and_o not_o as_o cajetans_n bare_a opinion_n 4._o but_o as_o the_o judgement_n of_o aquinas_n too_o he_o say_v indeed_o that_o the_o priest_n do_v offer_v the_o sacrifice_n for_o themselves_o and_o other_o but_o he_o be_v not_o so_o silly_a to_o imagine_v that_o they_o be_v to_o unite_v their_o intention_n with_o the_o priest_n in_o the_o oblation_n but_o that_o expression_n only_o show_v for_o who_o sake_n and_o not_o in_o who_o name_n the_o sacrifice_n be_v offer_v for_o there_o be_v other_o sacrifice_n say_v he_o which_o every_o one_o may_v offer_v for_o himself_o and_o those_o say_v cajetan_n be_v spiritual_a sacrifice_n of_o devotion_n and_o virtue_n but_o for_o the_o sacrifice_n of_o the_o altar_n that_o belong_v only_o to_o the_o priest_n and_o officer_n of_o the_o church_n r._n p._n but_o the_o very_a mass-book_n call_v it_o meum_fw-la ac_fw-la vestrum_fw-la sacrificium_fw-la and_o desire_v god_n to_o accept_v it_o for_o all_o those_o pro_fw-la quibus_fw-la tibi_fw-la offerimus_fw-la vel_fw-la qui_fw-la tibi_fw-la offerunt_fw-la hoc_fw-la sacrificium_fw-la p._n d._n i_o will_v tell_v you_o the_o mystery_n of_o this_o business_n and_o so_o put_v a_o end_n to_o this_o long_a conference_n it_o be_v the_o ancient_a custom_n of_o 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