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A66579 The vanity of humane inventions held forth in a brief exercitation upon the controverted ceremonies, managed in certain queries : first drawn up for the satisfaction of some private friends, and now made publick for the good of others. Wilson, Joseph, d. 1678.; Willson, John, d. ca. 1672. 1666 (1666) Wing W2928; ESTC R2749 85,695 142

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