Selected quad for the lemma: church_n

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A41783	The Pædo-baptists apology for the baptized churches shewing the invalidity of the strongest grounds for infant baptism out of the works of the learned assertors of that tenent, and that the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins is a duty incumbent upon all sinners who come orderly to the profession of Christianity : also the promise of the Spirit [b]eing the substance of a sermon on I Cor. 12, I, to which is added a post-script out of the works of Dr. Jer. Taylor in defence of imposition of hands as a never failing ministery / by Tho. Grantham.	Grantham, Thomas, 1634-1692.; Taylor, Jeremy, 1613-1667.	1671 (1671)	Wing G1541; ESTC R39521	38,200	120

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that_o time_n our_o next_o testimony_n be_v from_o the_o learned_a casuist_n hugo_n grotius_n grotius_n who_o tell_v we_o to_o defer_v baptism_n till_o ripe_a year_n be_v in_o old_a time_n leave_v at_o liberty_n now_o the_o observation_n be_v otherwise_o plain_o give_v the_o case_n that_o paedo-baptism_n be_v not_o the_o old_a way_n but_o a_o new_a observation_n but_o here_o we_o will_v again_o give_v place_n to_o doctor_n taylor_n who_o say_v that_o beside_o that_o the_o tradition_n can_v be_v prove_v to_o be_v apostolical_a we_o have_v very_o good_a evidence_n from_o antiquity_n that_o it_o be_v the_o opinion_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n that_o ●_z aught_o not_o to_o be_v 315._o baptise_a and_o this_o be_v clear_a in_o the_o ne●caes_n six●h_o cannon_n of_o the_o counsel_n of_o ne●●aesarea_n the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d have_v this_o sense_n a_o woman_n 〈…〉_z may_v be_v baptize_v when_o she_o please_v for_o her_o baptism_n concern_v not_o the_o child_n the_o reason_n of_o the_o connection_n of_o the_o part_n of_o that_o cannon_n be_v in_o the_o follow_a word_n because_o every_o one_o in_o that_o confession_n be_v to_o give_v a_o demonstration_n of_o his_o own_o choice_n and_o election_n mean_v plain_o that_o if_o the_o baptism_n of_o the_o mother_n do_v pass_v upon_o the_o child_n it_o be_v not_o fit_a for_o a_o pregnant_a woman_n to_o receive_v baptism_n because_o in_o that_o sacrament_n there_o be_v a_o confession_n of_o faith_n which_o confession_n suppose_v understanding_n and_o free_a choice_n it_o be_v not_o reasonable_a the_o child_n shall_v be_v consign_v with_o such_o a_o mystery_n since_o it_o can_v do_v any_o act_n of_o choice_n or_o understanding_n the_o cannon_n speak_v reason_n and_o it_o intimate_v a_o practice_n which_o be_v absolute_o universal_a in_o the_o church_n of_o interrogate_a the_o catechuman_n concern_v the_o article_n of_o the_o creed_n which_o be_v one_o argument_n that_o either_o they_o do_v not_o admit_v infant_n to_o baptism_n or_o that_o they_o do_v prevaricate_v egregious_o in_o ask_v question_n of_o they_o who_o themselves_o know_v be_v not_o capable_a of_o give_v answer_n and_o to_o supply_v their_o incapacity_n by_o the_o answer_n of_o a_o godfather_n be_v but_o the_o same_o unreasonableness_n act_v with_o a_o worse_a circumstance_n and_o there_o be_v no_o sensible_a 18._o account_n can_v be_v give_v of_o it_o for_o that_o which_o some_o imperfect_o murmur_v concern_v stipulation_n civil_a perform_v by_o tutor_n in_o the_o name_n of_o their_o pupil_n be_v a_o absolute_a vanity_n for_o what_o if_o by_o positive_a constitution_n of_o the_o roman_n such_o solemnity_n of_o law_n be_v require_v in_o all_o stipulation_n and_o by_o indulgence_n be_v permit_v in_o the_o case_n of_o a_o notable_a benefit_n acrue_v to_o minor_n must_v god_n be_v tie_v and_o christian_a religion_n transact_v her_o mystery_n by_o proportion_n and_o compliance_n with_o the_o law_n of_o the_o roman_n i_o know_v god_n may_v if_o he_o will_v have_v appoint_v godfather_n to_o give_v answer_n in_o behalf_n of_o child_n and_o to_o be_v f●de-jussors_a for_o they_o but_o we_o can_v find_v any_o authority_n o●_n ground_n that_o he_o have_v and_o if_o he_o have_v then_o it_o be_v to_o be_v suppose_v he_o will_v have_v give_v they_o commission_n to_o have_v transact_v the_o solemnity_n with_o better_a circumstance_n and_o give_v answer_n with_o more_o truth_n and_o if_o the_o godfather_n answer_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o child_n i_o do_v believe_v it_n be_v notorious_a they_o speak_v false_a and_o ridiculous_o for_o the_o infant_n be_v not_o capble_a of_o believe_v and_o if_o he_o be_v he_o be_v a_o so_o capable_a of_o dissent_v and_o how_o then_o do_v they_o know_v 18._o his_o mind_n and_o therefore_o tertullian_n give_v advice_n that_o the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n 〈◊〉_d be_v defer_v till_o they_o can_v 〈◊〉_d a_o account_n of_o their_o faith_n and_o the_o same_o also_o be_v the_o counsel_n of_o baptisma_fw-la gregory_n bishop_n of_o naziazum_fw-la although_o he_o allow_v they_o to_o hasten_v it_o in_o case_n of_o necessity_n for_o though_o his_o reason_n teach_v he_o what_o be_v fit_a namely_o that_o none_o shall_v b●_n baptize_v till_o they_o be_v of_o understanding_n yet_o he_o be_v overbear_v with_o the_o practi●●_n and_o opinion_n of_o his_o age_n which_o begin_v to_o bear_v too_o violent_o upon_o he_o and_o yet_o in_o another_o place_n he_o make_v mention_n of_o some_o to_o who_o baptism_n be_v not_o administer_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d by_o reason_n of_o infancy_n to_o which_o if_o we_o add_v that_o the_o parent_n of_o st._n austin_n st._n jerome_n and_o st._n ambrose_n although_o they_o be_v christian_n yet_o do_v not_o baptize_v their_o child_n before_o they_o be_v thirty_o year_n of_o age_n it_o will_v be_v very_o considerable_a in_o the_o example_n and_o of_o great_a efficacy_n for_o destroy_v the_o suppose_a necessity_n or_o derivation_n from_o the_o apostle_n and_o for_o further_a evidence_n we_o may_v well_o allege_v in_o this_o place_n that_o of_o theodosius_n the_o emperor_n bear_v in_o spain_n his_o parent_n be_v both_o christian_n and_o he_o from_o his_o youth_n educate_v in_o th●_n christian_n faith_n who_o fall_v sick_a at_o thess●onica_n be_v baptize_v and_o recover_v of_o his_o sickness_n but_o however_o paedo_fw-la baptism_n it_o be_v against_o the_o perpetual_a analogy_n of_o christ_n doctrine_n to_o baptize_v infant_n for_o beside_o that_o christ_n never_o give_v any_o precept_n to_o baptise_v they_o nor_o never_o himself_n nor_o his_o apostle_n that_o appear_v do_v baptize_v any_o of_o they_o all_o that_o either_o he_o or_o his_o apostle_n say_v concern_v baptism_n require_v such_o precious_a disposition_n to_o it_o of_o which_o infant_n be_v not_o capable_a and_o these_o be_v faith_n and_o repentance_n and_o not_o to_o instance_n in_o those_o innumerable_a place_n that_o require_v faith_n before_o baptism_n there_o need_v no_o more_o but_o this_o one_o say_v he_o that_o believe_v and_o be_v baptize_v shall_v be_v save_v but_o he_o that_o believe_v not_o shall_v be_v damn_v plain_o thus_o faith_n 6._o and_o baptism_n in_o conjunction_n also_o will_v bring_v a_o man_n to_o heaven_n but_o if_o he_o have_v not_o faith_n baptism_n shall_v do_v he_o no_o good_a so_o that_o if_o baptism_n be_v necessary_a then_o so_o be_v faith_n and_o much_o more_o for_o want_v of_o faith_n damn_v absolute_o it_o be_v not_o say_v so_o of_o the_o want_n of_o baptism_n now_o if_o this_o decretory_a sense_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o person_n of_o age_n and_o if_o child_n by_o such_o a_o answer_n which_o indeed_o be_v reasonable_a enough_o be_v excuse_v from_o the_o necessity_n of_o faith_n the_o want_n of_o which_o regular_o do_v damn_v than_o it_o be_v sottish_a to_o say_v the_o same_o incapacity_n of_o reason_n and_o faith_n shall_v not_o excuse_v they_o from_o the_o actual_a susception_n of_o baptism_n which_o as_o less_o necessary_a and_o to_o which_o faith_n and_o many_o other_o act_n be_v necessary_a predisposition_n when_o it_o be_v reasonable_o and_o humane_o ●eceived_v the_o conclusion_n be_v that_o bap●sm_n be_v also_o to_o be_v defer_v till_o the_o time_n of_o ●aith_n and_o whether_o infant_n have_v faith_n or_o no_o be_v a_o question_n to_o be_v dispute_v by_o person_n that_o care_n not_o how_o much_o they_o 〈◊〉_d nor_o how_o little_o they_o prove_v 1._o personal_n and_o actual_a faith_n they_o have_v none_o for_o they_o have_v no_o act_n of_o ●nderstanding_n and_o beside_o how_o can_v ●ny_v man_n understand_v that_o they_o have_v since_o he_o never_o see_v any_o sign_n of_o i●_n neither_o be_v he_o tell_v so_o by_o any_o o●●_n that_o can_v tell_v 2._o some_o s●y_n they_o have_v imputative_a faith_n but_o then_o so_o let_v the_o sacrament_n be_v too_o that_o be_v if_o they_o have_v the_o parent_n faith_n or_o the_o church_n than_o so_o le●_n baptism_n be_v impute_v by_o derivation_n from_o they_o also_o for_o since_o faith_n 〈◊〉_d necessary_a to_o the_o susception_n of_o baptis●_n and_o they_o themselves_o confess_v it_o b●_n strive_v to_o find_v out_o new_a kind_n of_o fait●_n to_o daub_v the_o matter_n up_o such_o as_o th●_n faith_n be_v such_o must_v be_v the_o sacrament_n for_o there_o be_v no_o proportion_n between_o a_o actual_a sacramen_n and_o a_o imputative_a faith_n this_o be_v in_o immedia●●_n and_o necessary_a order_n to_o that_o an●_n whatsoever_o can_v be_v say_v to_o take_v o●_n from_o the_o necessity_n of_o actual_a faith_n a●_n that_o and_o much_o more_o may_v be_v say_v t●_n excuse_v from_o the_o actual_a susception_n 〈◊〉_d baptism_n 3._o the_o first_o of_o these_o device_n wa●_n that_o of_o luther_n and_o his_o schol_n ar●_n the_o 2_o of_o calvin_n and_o his_o and_o yet_o there_o be_v a_o three_o device_n which_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n teach_v and_o that_o be_v