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the_o sigh_v of_o the_o poor_a we_o doubt_v not_o will_v vindicate_v his_o church_n from_o those_o proud_a adversary_n that_o have_v so_o long_a time_n tyrannize_v over_o she_o and_o judge_n between_o the_o sheep_n and_o the_o goat_n 18_o even_o he_o judge_v whether_o we_o that_o plead_v the_o truth_n against_o bishop_n or_o the_o bishop_n who_o cause_n the_o remonstrant_a plead_v have_v by_o violent_a and_o subtle_a machination_n most_o disturb_a zion_n peace_n and_o advance_v babylon_n power_n sect_n xv._n the_o remonstrant_a have_v say_v that_o lay_v presbytery_n never_o have_v foot_v in_o the_o christian_a church_n until_o this_o age_n wherein_o say_v we_o he_o conclude_v so_o full_o with_o doctor_n hals_n irrefragrable_a proposition_n as_o if_o he_o have_v conspire_v to_o swear_v to_o what_o the_o bishop_n have_v say_v the_o remonstrant_a that_o it_o seem_v know_v both_o better_a than_o we_o will_v phrase_n it_o thus_o how_o like_o the_o man_n look_v to_o doctor_n hall_n and_o answer_n 140._o as_o like_v he_o as_o we_o be_v like_o ourselves_o insolent_a and_o scornful_a true_o sir_n we_o can_v scarce_o conceive_v this_o likeness_n by_o the_o remonstrance_n and_o we_o can_v less_o conceive_v it_o by_o this_o defence_n for_o beside_o the_o flat_a contradiction_n which_o this_o defence_n give_v to_o episcopacy_n by_o divine_a right_n for_o which_o we_o doubt_v the_o doctor_n will_v give_v the_o remonstrant_a little_a thanks_o the_o very_a language_n of_o the_o defence_n incline_v to_o the_o contrary_n for_o though_o we_o acknowledge_v the_o defence_n for_o the_o substance_n of_o it_o whole_o and_o for_o the_o phrase_n of_o it_o in_o a_o great_a part_n borrow_v from_o episcopacy_n by_o divine_a right_n yet_o the_o extreme_a disdainfulness_n that_o breathe_v in_o every_o page_n and_o line_n plead_v with_o we_o to_o think_v that_o it_o be_v not_o he_o especial_o if_o he_o have_v make_v that_o vow_n of_o leave_v his_o insolent_a and_o scornful_a language_n which_o a_o ancient_a acquaintance_n of_o he_o have_v put_v the_o world_n in_o hope_n he_o will_v your_o errata_fw-la bid_v we_o pag._n 33._o read_v invective_n true_o we_o may_v read_v in_o every_o page_n invective_n and_o if_o to_o be_v scornful_a and_o insolent_a be_v to_o be_v unlike_o doctor_n hall_n you_o have_v do_v the_o doctor_n exceed_o wrong_n to_o say_v the_o remonstrant_a look_n like_o he_o but_o be_v the_o remonstrant_a who_o he_o will_v we_o hope_v he_o will_v not_o take_v it_o ill_o if_o come_v into_o public_a nameless_a he_o receive_v par_fw-fr pari_fw-la remember_v especial_o the_o say_n of_o hierom_n concern_v domitius_n a_o senator_n to_o his_o scornful_a consul_n si_fw-la non_fw-la vis_fw-la i_o habere_fw-la ut_fw-la senatorem_fw-la cur_n ego_fw-la te_fw-la habeam_fw-la ut_fw-la consulem_fw-la why_o shall_v we_o use_v he_o as_o a_o father_n that_o do_v not_o use_v we_o as_o brethren_n make_v sport_n with_o our_o poor_a wit_n
wit_n of_o fideles_fw-la and_o punctual_o of_o such_o who_o have_v attain_v such_o a_o measure_n of_o grace_n as_o they_o be_v able_a to_o express_v endeavour_n to_o do_v that_o which_o be_v right_a and_o be_v fit_a and_o able_a by_o their_o acquaintance_n to_o better_v other_o and_o therefore_o these_o can_v not_o be_v novice_n 143._o for_o the_o second_o to_o wit_n over_o who_o they_o have_v power_n they_o be_v not_o only_o such_o as_o be_v late_o admit_v for_o origen_n speak_v general_o of_o all_o wicked_a or_o scandalous_a liver_n among_o they_o who_o be_v to_o be_v inhibit_v their_o assembly_n for_o the_o three_o the_o power_n they_o have_v which_o say_v he_o be_v only_o to_o be_v monitor_n it_o appear_v from_o the_o text_n that_o they_o have_v power_n either_o to_o keep_v back_o from_o their_o assembly_n or_o to_o receive_v into_o their_o assembly_n according_a as_o the_o life_n of_o man_n be_v good_a or_o bad_a and_o be_v of_o that_o ability_n as_o that_o they_o can_v better_v they_o daily_o with_o their_o good_a counsel_n and_o if_o any_o be_v froward_a or_o contumacious_a what_o course_n be_v further_a to_o be_v take_v with_o they_o the_o follow_a word_n declare_v and_o although_o it_o be_v true_a the_o act_n of_o cast_v such_o out_o of_o the_o church_n be_v attribute_v primary_o to_o the_o teacher_n yet_o who_o dare_v exclude_v those_o former_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d from_o all_o interest_n in_o this_o act_n when_o origen_n himself_o say_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n the_o like_a custom_n they_o have_v about_o offender_n and_o chief_o such_o as_o be_v incorrigible_a but_o this_o great_a corrector_n of_o translation_n can_v let_v we_o pass_v here_o without_o a_o castigation_n for_o translate_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d praepositi_fw-la sunt_fw-la unfaithful_o deceitful_o say_v he_o sir_n it_o will_v have_v become_v you_o to_o spare_v your_o censure_n till_o you_o consider_v better_o if_o you_o have_v but_o look_v in_o your_o lexicon_n you_o may_v have_v find_v that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v not_o only_a constituor_fw-la but_o praeficior_fw-la and_o between_o praefecti_fw-la and_o praepâ—siti_fw-la certain_o there_o be_v no_o such_o great_a difference_n as_o may_v deserve_v the_o censure_n of_o unfaithfulnesse_n for_o use_v the_o one_o instead_o of_o the_o other_o beside_o turrianus_n translate_v it_o thus_o before_o we_o who_o we_o persuade_v ourselves_o be_v as_o able_a to_o understand_v the_o language_n of_o origen_n as_o our_o critical_a remonstranâ—_n if_o we_o may_v judge_v of_o he_o as_o he_o here_o discover_v himself_o will_v any_o man_n so_o confident_o charge_v unfaithfulnesse_n upon_o the_o translation_n of_o other_o and_o himself_o go_v &_o translate_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 142._o they_o do_v private_o examine_v such_o as_o be_v bewitch_v with_o paganism_n it_o be_v true_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v incantâ—_n as_o well_o as_o frequent_a admoneo_fw-la to_o inchant_v as_o well_o as_o to_o instruct_v or_o admonish_v but_o here_o it_o must_v of_o necessity_n be_v render_v in_o the_o latter_a signification_n because_o it_o be_v here_o the_o participle_n of_o the_o active_a voice_n and_o the_o case_n agree_v nâ—t_v with_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d but_o with_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o be_v put_v in_o the_o begin_n of_o that_o clause_n so_o again_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o tâ—anslates_v the_o rest_n that_o be_v like_o themselves_o they_o may_v glad_o receive_v whereas_o it_o shall_v be_v thus_o but_o receive_v those_o that_o be_v not_o such_o that_o be_v as_o those_o wicked_a person_n last_o speak_v of_o these_o be_v poor_a grammarpec_n adillio_n not_o worth_a tâ—e_v take_v notice_n of_o but_o that_o our_o remonstrant_n be_v so_o busy_a with_o his_o ferula_fw-la that_o no_o soon_o can_v he_o think_v we_o trip_v but_o he_o be_v present_o upon_o we_o corrige_n magn_n ficat_fw-la the_o rest_n of_o our_o testimony_n produce_v in_o this_o cause_n he_o thus_o answer_v first_o he_o can_v double_v our_o file_n and_o produce_v many_o more_o 143._o but_o second_o in_o sadierm_n we_o do_v nothing_o herein_o 144._o but_o abuse_v our_o reader_n for_o all_o the_o place_n be_v nothing_o at_o all_o to_o the_o purpose_n in_o hand_n for_o the_o first_o the_o number_n he_o can_v add_v to_o our_o force_n be_v no_o more_o than_o our_o own_o except_o one_o only_a place_n out_o of_o gregory_n turonen_n be_v all_o the_o rest_n be_v urge_v by_o we_o even_o that_o which_o he_o say_v be_v more_o pregnant_a than_o any_o we_o have_v bring_v do_v ever_o poor_a man_n make_v so_o great_a a_o brag_n of_o nothing_o true_o sir_n you_o have_v much_o enrich_v we_o by_o pay_v we_o with_o our_o own_o colne_a only_o here_o we_o be_v behold_v to_o you_o for_o your_o testimony_n of_o the_o pregnancy_n of_o some_o of_o they_o when_o as_o you_o say_v before_o all_o of_o they_o be_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n in_o hand_n it_o seem_v your_o second_o thought_n correct_v your_o former_a for_o his_o second_o answer_n he_o tell_v we_o all_o these_o place_n be_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n and_o why_o because_o those_o senior_n be_v civil_a magistrate_n such_o as_o we_o call_v alderman_n who_o advice_n and_o assistance_n be_v use_v in_o all_o great_a occasion_n of_o the_o church_n to_o prove_v this_o he_o bring_v the_o african_a canon_n can._n 100_o where_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v mention_v and_o expound_v it_o by_o the_o 91_o canon_n of_o the_o african_a which_o he_o call_v a_o commentary_n upon_o this_o point_n debere_fw-la unumquemque_fw-la no_n strum_fw-la in_o civitate_fw-la sua_fw-la convenire_fw-la donatistarum_fw-la praepositos_fw-la aut_fw-la adjungere_fw-la sibi_fw-la vicinum_fw-la collegam_fw-la 145_o ut_fw-la pariter_fw-la eos_fw-la in_o singulis_fw-la qnibusque_fw-la civitatibus_fw-la per_fw-la magistratus_fw-la vel_fw-la seniores_fw-la locorum_fw-la conveniant_fw-la to_o which_o we_o answer_v that_o this_o his_o commentary_n corrupt_v the_o text_n for_o in_o this_o 91_o canon_n there_o be_v no_o mention_n of_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o word_n be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d by_o the_o magistrate_n or_o those_o that_o be_v of_o chief_a authority_n in_o those_o place_n these_o we_o grant_v be_v as_o it_o be_v our_o alderman_n man_n of_o civil_a power_n and_o authority_n but_o they_o be_v not_o as_o those_o elder_n mention_v in_o the_o 100_o canon_n and_o why_o shall_v the_o remonstrant_a choose_v rather_o to_o follow_v justellus_n in_o read_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d seniores_fw-la locorum_fw-la then_o balsamon_n and_o zonaras_n who_o read_v it_o quiprimas_fw-la ferant_fw-la unless_o it_o be_v to_o deceive_v his_o credulous_a reader_n and_o induce_v he_o to_o think_v there_o be_v no_o other_o elder_n in_o the_o church_n than_o such_o as_o be_v civil_a magistrate_n whereas_o his_o own_o justellus_n in_o his_o exposition_n of_o the_o 100_o canon_n say_v erant_fw-la seniores_fw-la laici_fw-la extra_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la de_fw-la quibus_fw-la supra_fw-la ad_fw-la can._n 91._o erant_fw-la &_o seniores_fw-la ecclesiastici_fw-la there_o be_v lay-elder_n out_o of_o the_o church_n of_o who_o we_o speak_v can._n 91_o and_o there_o be_v ecclesiastic_a or_o church-elders_a to_o prove_v which_o he_o bring_v forth_o the_o very_a testimony_n which_o we_o produce_v from_o baronius_n and_o other_o and_o certain_o he_o that_o compare_v the_o two_o canon_n quote_v by_o the_o remonstrant_a will_v see_v how_o absurd_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o the_o one_o canon_n be_v draw_v to_o expound_v the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o the_o other_o for_o the_o former_a be_v the_o magistrate_n who_o have_v a_o coercive_a power_n may_v compel_v the_o donatist_n to_o meet_v for_o conference_n and_o disputation_n if_o they_o do_v refuse_v it_o the_o other_o be_v not_o magistrate_n but_o seniores_fw-la send_v by_o the_o church_n to_o accuse_v their_o bishop_n now_o how_o well_o be_v the_o one_o expound_v by_o the_o other_o but_o if_o the_o senior_n be_v not_o alderman_n yet_o they_o be_v say_v you_o but_o as_o our_o churchwarden_n and_o vestry-man_n only_o trust_v with_o the_o viensil_n 146._o stock_n and_o outward_a affair_n of_o the_o church_n business_n of_o seat_n and_o rate_n etc._n etc._n this_o the_o remonstrant_a will_n if_o you_o will_v believe_v he_o evince_n out_o of_o our_o own_o testimony_n and_o yet_o meddle_v not_o with_o that_o which_o be_v the_o most_o pregnant_a testimony_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o power_n of_o these_o elder_n do_v reach_v to_o thing_n of_o a_o high_a nature_n than_o seat_n and_o rate_n and_o that_o be_v the_o letter_n of_o puâ—purius_n which_o give_v to_o the_o senior_n a_o concurrent_a power_n with_o the_o clergy_n to_o inquire_v about_o the_o dissension_n which_o trouble_v the_o church_n that_o by_o their_o wisdom_n and_o care_n peace_n
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