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A62870 Præcursor, or, A forerunner to a large review of the dispute concerning infant-baptism wherein many things both doctrinall and personal are cleared, about which Mr. Richard Baxter, in a book mock-titled Plain Scripture-proof of infants church-membership and baptism hath darkned the truth / by John Tomes. Tombes, John, 1603?-1676. 1652 (1652) Wing T1812; ESTC R27540 101,567 110

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in_o this_o argument_n seem_v to_o i_o to_o be_v part_n of_o my_o work_n god_n have_v allot_v i_o though_o i_o be_o know_v not_o to_o be_v idle_a in_o other_o work_n what_o mr._n b._n call_v fallacy_n pass_v from_o i_o will_v be_v prove_v verity_n my_o argument_n from_o mat._n 28._o 19_o mark_v 16._o 15_o 16._o be_v to_o be_v find_v in_o my_o exercit._n sect_n 15._o examen_fw-la part_n 4._o sect_n 1._o to_o which_o mr._n ms._n reply_n be_v insufficient_a as_o i_o shall_v show_v in_o my_o review_n in_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n it_o be_v wont_a to_o be_v account_v a_o certain_a rule_n that_o god_n worship_n shall_v be_v observe_v according_a to_o his_o appointment_n and_o no_o otherwise_o and_o so_o protestant_n divine_v argue_v from_o 1_o cor._n 11._o 28._o selfe-examiner_n be_v appoint_v to_o eat_v ergo_fw-la no_o infant_n or_o youngling_n though_o young_a one_o eat_v the_o passeover_n yea_o mr._n b_o himself_z page_z 221._o if_o christ_n never_o send_v any_o but_o minister_n to_o baptize_v then_o no_o other_o may_v do_v it_o if_o there_o be_v no_o example_n of_o any_o but_o minister_n that_o have_v baptize_v though_o parenr_n do_v circumcise_v than_o no_o other_o may_v do_v it_o for_o the_o apostle_n establish_v the_o church_n according_a to_o god_n mind_n and_o the_o scripture_n be_v a_o sufficient_a rule_n page_v 222._o if_o there_o be_v no_o command_n or_o example_n in_o scripture_n of_o any_o but_o minister_n administer_a the_o lord_n supper_n than_o no_o other_o may_v do_v it_o page_n 342._o if_o we_o have_v no_o warrant_n by_o word_n or_o example_n in_o all_o the_o new_a testament_n since_o the_o solemn_a institution_n of_o baptism_n mat._n 28._o to_o admit_v any_o member_n into_o the_o church_n without_o baptism_n but_o both_o percept_v and_o example_n of_o admit_v they_o by_o it_o then_o we_o must_v not_o admit_v any_o without_o it_o ordinary_o i_o take_v his_o own_o medium_n mutatis_fw-la mutandis_fw-la and_o thence_o infer_v if_o we_o have_v no_o warrant_n by_o word_n or_o example_n in_o all_o the_o new_a testament_n since_o the_o solemn_a institution_n of_o baptism_n mat._n 28._o to_o admit_v any_o member_n into_o the_o church_n by_o baptism_n but_o believer_n by_o profession_n but_o both_o precept_n and_o constant_a example_n of_o admit_v they_o by_o it_o than_o we_o must_v not_o admit_v any_o without_o it_o ordinary_o i_o use_v his_o own_o word_n and_o text_n but_o the_o antecedent_n be_v evident_a john_n 4._o 1._o act_n 2._o 38_o 41._o and_o 8._o 12_o 13_o 16_o 36_o 38._o and_o 9_o 18._o and_o 10._o 47_o 48._o and_o 16._o 15_o 33._o and_o 18._o 8._o and_o 19_o 3_o 4_o 5._o rom._n 6._o 3._o etc._n etc._n the_o consequent_a be_v undoubted_a to_o those_o that_o take_v the_o word_n for_o their_o rule_n if_o mr._n b._n will_v stand_v to_o his_o own_o argument_n he_o must_v make_v good_a my_o argue_v from_o mat._n 28._o 19_o mark_v 16._o 15_o 16._o unless_o he_o have_v some_o such_o strange_a shift_n as_o mr._n cotton_n put_v in_o the_o mouth_n of_o silvanus_n who_o personate_v himself_o in_o his_o book_n entitle_v the_o ground_n and_o end_n of_o baptism_n in_o the_o preface_n page_n 3_o where_o he_o intimate_v that_o the_o urge_n against_o child_n baptism_n this_o main_a principle_n of_o purity_n and_o reformation_n to_o wit_n that_o no_o duty_n of_o god_n worship_n nor_o any_o ordinance_n of_o religion_n be_v to_o be_v administer_v in_o the_o church_n but_o such_o as_o have_v just_a warrant_n from_o the_o word_n of_o god_n be_v from_o satan_n but_o from_o god_n when_o it_o be_v urge_v against_o the_o prelatist_n and_o papist_n so_o mr._n b._n think_v his_o medium_n good_a against_o socinian_o but_o not_o though_o it_o be_v the_o same_o for_o the_o anabaptist_n he_o add_v all_o your_o confident_a word_n show_v i_o not_o the_o least_o ground_n for_o your_o conclusion_n no_o more_o than_o thus_o scripture_n require_v faith_n to_o justification_n therefore_o none_o but_o believer_n be_v justify_v which_o be_v false_a yet_o like_o you_o if_o i_o know_v what_o you_o will_v thence_o deduce_v answ._n he_o now_o i_o hope_v know_v what_o and_o how_o i_o deduce_v or_o rather_o how_o mr._n b._n deduce_v my_o conclusion_n from_o mat._n 28._o 19_o mark_v 16._o 15_o 16._o not_o only_o in_o my_o word_n but_o also_o his_o own_o though_o i_o have_v often_o long_o before_o deduce_v my_o argument_n in_o the_o place_n before_o quote_v and_o elsewhere_o in_o my_o write_n of_o the_o validity_n of_o which_o deduction_n i_o be_o the_o more_o confident_a because_o it_o be_v in_o mr_n bs._n own_o word_n just_o bring_v by_o i_o against_o himself_o if_o the_o scripture_n require_v say_v of_o all_o to_o justification_n than_o it_o be_v not_o false_a that_o none_o but_o believer_n be_v justify_v yet_o infant_n may_v be_v justify_v by_o habitual_a faith_n or_o actual_a by_o operation_n in_o a_o extraordinary_a way_n but_o the_o scripture_n require_v profession_n of_o faith_n afore_o any_o be_v baptize_v ordinary_o as_o for_o what_o may_v be_v do_v extraordinary_o elsewhere_o i_o have_v express_v myself_o and_o have_v vindicate_v myself_o from_o the_o wrong_a inference_n make_v thence_o postscript_n sect_n 15._o and_o elsewhere_o page_n 206._o the_o people_n of_o kederminster_n do_v not_o hear_v from_o my_o mouth_n in_o the_o dispute_n jam._n 1._o how_o little_a anabaptist_n can_v say_v in_o the_o hard_a point_n of_o baptism_n for_o i_o use_v no_o such_o word_n nor_o any_o thing_n i_o say_v or_o omit_v to_o say_v can_v infer_v it_o and_o when_o they_o have_v read_v my_o answer_n i_o think_v they_o shall_v believe_v i_o can_v say_v more_o than_o i_o do_v say_v then_o and_o see_v the_o reason_n why_o no_o
page_n 273._o and_o say_v it_o be_v of_o dangerous_a consequence_n and_o indeed_o i_o think_v it_o so_o still_o for_o i_o think_v it_o will_v follow_v that_o except_o a_o magistrate_n can_v show_v his_o commission_n from_o christ_n that_o he_o be_v a_o usurper_n and_o then_o none_o be_v bind_v to_o he_o but_o to_o suppress_v he_o than_o no_o infidel_n be_v a_o lawful_a magistrate_n who_o deny_v christ_n and_o it_o will_v be_v questionable_a whether_o this_o will_v not_o extend_v to_o a_o non-churchmemb_a or_o a_o excommunicate_a person_n than_o a_o magistrate_n do_v of_o right_a to_o a_o infidel_n against_o a_o believer_n or_o to_o one_o believer_n against_o another_o as_o put_v he_o to_o death_n be_v a_o act_n for_o christ_n as_o mediator_n and_o if_o because_o all_o power_n be_v give_v to_o he_o in_o heaven_n and_o in_o earth_n therefore_o magistracy_n so_o as_o that_o all_o power_n must_v be_v derive_v from_o christ_n as_o mediator_n than_o a_o father_n power_n over_o his_o child_n but_o sure_o that_o be_v in_o a_o father_n by_o nature_n nor_o do_v i_o think_v it_o any_o part_n of_o the_o curse_n then_o rule_v presbyter_n shall_v do_v the_o act_n of_o civil_a magistrate_n as_o have_v plain_a title_n to_o rule_v under_o christ._n nor_o do_v i_o think_v mr._n b._n have_v answer_v these_o argument_n or_o the_o rest_n but_o that_o however_o he_o prove_v magistracy_n to_o be_v from_o christ_n appointment_n and_o to_o be_v subordinate_a to_o his_o law_n and_o accountable_a to_o he_o and_o aught_o to_o act_v for_o he_o yet_o not_o that_o the_o commission_n of_o every_o lawful_a magistrate_n be_v from_o he_o as_o mediator_n i_o think_v it_o will_v follow_v if_o mr._n bs._n position_n be_v true_a that_o suppose_v christ_n have_v not_o be_v mediator_n there_o have_v be_v no_o lawful_a magistrate_n and_o that_o dominium_fw-la fundatur_fw-la in_o gratia_fw-la which_o be_v heretofore_o deny_v and_o since_o christ_n be_v heir_n of_o all_o thing_n and_o believer_n only_o be_v christ_n and_o all_o they_o 1_o cor._n 3._o 22_o 23._o it_o will_v be_v consider_v whether_o by_o parity_n of_o reason_n the_o saint_n may_v not_o entitle_v themselves_o to_o all_o power_n and_o all_o man_n estate_n which_o be_v charge_v on_o anabaptist_n at_o munster_n but_o i_o find_v i_o digress_v and_o therefore_o stop_v till_o more_o liberty_n draw_v i_o to_o a_o full_a handle_n of_o it_o sect_n xx._n many_o learned_a man_n with_o the_o oxford_n convocation_n of_o former_a and_o late_a time_n take_v infant-baptisme_n only_o for_o a_o unwritten_a tradition_n mr._n b._n proceed_v to_o answer_v my_o antidote_n term_v it_o a_o corrective_a for_o a_o circumforaneous_a antidote_n but_o the_o antidote_n will_v appear_v to_o be_v good_a if_o take_v notwithstanding_o his_o disgraceful_a term_n of_o corrective_a without_o virtue_n page_n 299._o he_o print_v two_o passage_n of_o dr._n whitaker_n for_o the_o late_a oxford_n convocation_n to_o read_v and_o refer_v to_o the_o like_a in_o davenant_n but_o whatever_o doctor_n whitaker_n think_v yet_o that_o the_o ancient_n do_v take_v baptism_n of_o infant_n to_o have_v be_v a_o apostolical_a tradition_n unwritten_a seem_v to_o i_o from_o that_o which_o be_v say_v in_o my_o examen_fw-la part_n i._o sect_n 5._o not_o avoid_v by_o mr._n ms_n defence_n in_o the_o council_n of_o basil_n in_o the_o oration_n of_o the_o cardinal_n of_o ragusi_n it_o be_v assert_v item_n nusquam_fw-la legitur_fw-la in_o canone_o scripturae_fw-la s._n quod_fw-la parvulus_fw-la recenter_n baptizatus_fw-la qui_fw-la nec_fw-la cord_n credit_n ad_fw-la justitiam_fw-la nec_fw-la ore_fw-la confitetur_fw-la ad_fw-la falutem_fw-la inter_fw-la fideles_fw-la &_o crudentes_fw-la computetur_fw-la et_fw-la nihilominus_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la it_o a_o determinavit_fw-la et_fw-la statuit_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o in_o principip_n huius_fw-la sacramenti_fw-la baptizabantur_fw-la solum_fw-la illi_fw-la qui_fw-la per_fw-la se_fw-la sciebant_fw-la fidem_fw-la interroganti_fw-la respondere_fw-la to_o which_o purpose_n walafridus_n strabo_n many_o hundred_o year_n before_o and_o vives_n about_o that_o time_n who_o word_n be_v allege_v in_o my_o exercitation_n the_o title_n page_n and_o sect_n 17._o erasmus_n resp_n archiep._n hispal_a ad_fw-la artic_a object_n 61._o sunt_fw-la et_fw-la alia_fw-la innumera_fw-la quae_fw-la prisci_fw-la non_fw-la ausi_fw-la sunt_fw-la definire_fw-la sed_fw-la suspensae_fw-la pronunciatione_fw-la venerabantur_fw-la quod_fw-la genus_fw-la est_fw-la a_o parvuliessent_n baptizandi_fw-la and_o common_o the_o learn_a papist_n do_v instance_n in_o infant-baptism_n as_o a_o unwritten_a tradition_n in_o force_n and_o whereas_o it_o be_v object_v that_o bellarm._n and_o other_o do_v bring_v scripture_n for_o it_o becan_n manual_a lib._n 1._o c._n 2._o sect_n 24._o answer_n aliqua_fw-la possunt_fw-la probariex_fw-la scriptura_fw-la quando_fw-la constat_fw-la de_fw-la vero_fw-la &_o legitimo_fw-la scripture_n sensu_fw-la so_o he_o say_v it_o be_v concern_v infan-baptism_n which_o be_v prove_v from_o john_n 3._o 5._o but_o that_o the_o sense_n whereby_o to_o prove_v it_o be_v only_o manifest_a by_o tradition_n which_o be_v confirm_v in_o the_o canon_n law_n and_o schoolman_n a_o infants-baptism_n be_v not_o reckon_v perfect_a till_o the_o bishop_n lay_v on_o hand_n which_o act_n be_v call_v confirmation_n to_o wit_n of_o the_o imperfect_a baptism_n in_o infancy_n molinaeus_n in_o his_o vates_fw-la l._n 2._o c._n 7._o cite_v the_o canon_n do_v 5._o de_fw-la consecratione_fw-la as_o determine_v that_o without_o the_o sacrament_n of_o confirmation_n no_o man_n be_v a_o full_a christian._n can._n omnes_fw-la et_fw-la can._n ut_fw-la jejuni_fw-la thomas_n 3._o part_n summae_fw-la q._n 72._o art_n 9_o dicit_fw-la hoc_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la esse_fw-la perfection●m_fw-la baptismi_fw-la innuens_fw-la baptismum_fw-la esse_fw-la imperfectum_fw-la nisi_fw-la accesserit_fw-la confirmatio_fw-la lumb_n l._n 4._o scent_n do_v 7._o a._n omnes_fw-la fideles_fw-la per_fw-la manus_fw-la impositionem_fw-la episcoporum_fw-la post_fw-la baptismum_fw-la accipere_fw-la debent_fw-la in_o confirmatione_fw-la spiritum_fw-la sanctum_fw-la ut_fw-la pleni_fw-la christiani_n inveniantur_fw-la bellarm._n tom_n 3._o the_o sacr_n confirm_v c._n 12._o confirmatio_fw-la est_fw-la complementum_fw-la &_o perfectio_fw-la baptismi_fw-la lib._n 2._o de_fw-la effec_fw-la sacram._n c._n 8._o est_fw-la confirmatio_fw-la quaedam_fw-la perfectio_fw-la &_o consummatio_fw-la baptismi_fw-la jewel_n defence_n of_o the_o apolog._n page_n 218._o allege_v it_o as_o caistan_n tenet_n that_o a_o infant_n for_o that_o he_o want_v instruction_n in_o faith_n therefore_o have_v not_o perfect_a baptism_n consonant_a hereto_o be_v the_o conceit_n of_o the_o common_a people_n that_o they_o have_v not_o their_o full_a christian_a doom_n all_o they_o be_v bishop_v but_o that_o it_o may_v appear_v even_o learned_a protestant_n speak_v near_o the_o same_o i_o will_v cite_v some_o of_o their_o speech_n among_o which_o i_o will_v forbear_v to_o recite_v the_o speech_n of_o the_o lord_n brook_n and_o mr._n daniel_n rogers_n allege_v by_o i_o in_o my_o exercit._n sect_n 18._o and_o clear_v in_o my_o apology_n from_o mr._n rogers_n his_o latter_a gloss_n nor_o the_o opinion_n of_o mr._n bedford_n who_o judge_v with_o the_o romanist_n that_o the_o scripture_n give_v we_o proof_n only_o of_o the_o reasonableness_n of_o infant-baptisme_n as_o i_o gather_v by_o mr._n bs._n i_o answer_v to_o he_o page_n 305._o dr._n field_n of_o the_o church_n four_o book_n chap._n 20._o the_o four_o kind_n of_o inadition_n be_v the_o continue_a practice_n of_o such_o thing_n as_o be_v neither_o contain_v in_o the_o scripture_n express_o nor_o the_o example_n of_o such_o practice_n express_o there_o deliver_v though_o the_o ground_n reason_n and_o cause_n of_o the_o necessity_n of_o such_o practice_n be_v there_o contain_v and_o the_o benefit_n or_o 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loucardiensis_n that_o be_v mr._n young_a as_o i_o be_o inform_v a_o eminent_a man_n in_o the_o late_a assembly_n and_o mr._n marshal_n friend_n that_o help_v he_o in_o the_o first_o part_n of_o his_o defence_n in_o his_o dies_z dominica_n lib._n 1._o c._n 10._o
tribe_n young_a or_o old_a man_n and_o woman_n be_v gather_v by_o the_o apostle_n and_o other_o preacher_n as_o moses_n do_v gather_v together_o the_o jewish_a nation_n exod._n 19_o deut._n 29._o but_o say_v mr._n b._n 1._o have_v he_o noi_fw-it command_v to_o disciple_n nation_n i_o answer_v yes_o to_o make_v disciple_n of_o all_o nation_n by_o preach_v the_o gospel_n to_o every_o creature_n as_o it_o be_v mark_v 16._o 15._o but_o no_o where_o by_o civil_a authority_n to_o gather_v a_o whole_a city_n country_n or_o tribe_n and_o to_o draw_v they_o into_o a_o national_a or_o city_n covenant_n together_o old_a and_o young_a but_o to_o offer_v christ_n and_o to_o baptize_v so_o many_o as_o be_v willing_a to_o embrace_v he_o 2._o say_v mr._n b._n have_v not_o the_o father_n promise_v to_o give_v the_o heathen_a or_o nation_n for_o his_o inheritance_n and_o the_o uttermost_a part_n of_o the_o earth_n for_o his_o possession_n psal._n 2._o and_o that_o nation_n shall_v serve_v he_o answ._n 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